The blog post was dead but I had something to say in reply to Meus Renaissance.
Sony the biggest losers? PS3 has been outselling Xbox 360 since October 2007, it sold a lot more last year, it is more expensive, harder to develop for, got sh1tty ports, its PSN has less content than XBL, and the OS has had less features (until 2.4 comes out at least).
The reason people assumed this would be a year with lots of discrepancies between PS3 and 360 is because people thought all of the killer games were coming this year on PS3 and that there was nothing on 360. And while there could be more on 360, Microsoft announced a few more games and bought japanese timed exclusives which is not bad. On the other hand Sony delayed some games and cancelled others, not to mention Microsoft might drop the price and Sony might not. However, we're still halfway through 2008 and both Microsoft and Sony can make a lot of moves.
However, another reason people said 2008 is Sony's year is not because people think PS3 will outsell Xbox 360 2:1, but because this is the turnaround year and it has showed. Disregarding the specs like resolution, GTAIV was, according to many press outlets including IGN, a better game on PS3, whether because it had no pop-in or because they preferred the look of it.
Aside from GTAIV, PS3 got great ports unlike last year, including COD4, DMC4 and Burnout. Blu-ray won the format war. The Firmware updates on PS3 have gotten great and there are way more games to look forward to, even more than the ones that came out the last holiday season which were only a minor showcase of what PS3 can do yet they were great for the most part (except Lair). PS3 is getting a lot of games that were previously 360 exclusive, including Eternal Sonata and Bioshock among others, and now it appears that Bioshock PS3 will become the definitive version, with Home features, more content and perhaps an enhanced experience.
To top the year off there is still E3 and there will be a lot of announcements regarding Sony and Microsoft. And while Nintendo is outselling both, 3rd parties are not doing well with Nintendo. And while Nintendo might be making money now, who knows how much time will the Wii last for them. After all, their gamers aren't spending as much on the Wii, and third parties are getting tired of supporting the Wii. Check how EA is doing on a per company and per platform basis:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080514-eas-sales-figures-paint-a-rosy-picture-for-sony.html
As you can see, there are no big winners or big losers here. Nintendo might be selling a lot of consoles and their games, but without the support of the core gamer and third parties, who knows how much can the Wii last. Microsoft and Sony have very solid 3rd party support, and IMHO, while Microsoft and Sony have kinda gotten better and worse respectively for the rest of 2008 as it goes now, I think Sony is still gonna have a better end of the year, both in matter of quality games and console sales; Microsoft might just sell more software overall but the difference won't be as big as last year.
I think we can make a better judgment once all shots are fired and the smoke clears after the holiday season. There are plenty of price drops, game announcements and innovations to be seen, but your judgment on the entire console war is very shortsighted, especially considering that the outlook for 2009 and on seems very different for every contender.
With the uptake of HDTV, Blu-ray and tons of AAA games coming out in 2009 for PS3, it might just be true that PS3 will outsell 360 by a very significant margin. And while they may not catch up next year (360 will also have something, duh), the outlook seems better than that of the Analysts who predicted that would happen by 2012. Things are changing slowly, I don't even remember when the massive hate for the PS3 stopped, and while it still exists, there is a very positive outlook from people towards it, unlike the attitude towards Xbox 360, which reflects that its future might be bleaker than you can imagine now.
If Sony makes a profit, it won't really matter for them if they ended up in "third place". If we gamers get more games on 360 and PS3 than on Wii, we shouldn't care if the Wii was in "first place". It seems that this generation everyone will make a profit in different ways and all gamers will be satisfied. PS3 and 360 have yet to drop their prices to admissible levels, so perhaps that is what is holding them back and what is holding "next-gen" back, and perhaps the reason for why GTAIV and MGS4 didn't have huge effects on demand, since with those prices, people can still be on the fence. If the price becomes right, and the value too, Nintendo might have to react if people realize what the other consoles offer for just a little more. So again, it is still too early to tell the final outcome, except for the fact that there will not be a "BIGGEST LOSER".
And IMO, your statement " I think that's quite deserved so far from their overall performance in regards to the gamers and what we've lacked from them" can't be further from the truth, since Sony is the one that has made the most improvements ever since the console was unveiled, from the controller to the firmware updates; its only problem now is price and delays, all of which can be fixed with a little time.
Has Microsoft fixed their console? Will they ever? Has Microsoft gotten not only lots of variety of indie games, but quality games too? Has Nintendo even tried to appeal to the hardcore gamer? reduced the price of its console to meet its actual value? When will they meet demand? Will they ever make a remotely acceptable online service? Considering all of these, it is likely that the average gamer is still on the fence because no console can yet claim ultimate superiority on all fronts the way the PS2 did. So it is doubtful that there will be a "biggest loser", perhaps there won't be. In fact, Sony might just be a winner by now with the Blu-ray victory, Microsoft might be a winner by establishing Xbox LIVE as a leading edge online service and arriving at the profit line already, and Nintendo by reviving its console business, though all of them still have problems.
Dear team,
Xbox has always been different.
We started with a simple idea. Games should bring people together through shared experiences. That led to the first Xbox in 2001, Xbox Live in 2002, and new ways to connect, from friends lists and achievements to parties and play across devices. Today, Xbox reaches over 500 million players around the world, with some of the most important franchises in entertainment.
re-evaluating exclusivity 💀
PS players will need to go back to pretending to dislike Xbox games
Or meaning since it’s doing so good they might just do everything day 1.
They didnt say re-evaluating their multiplatform approach.
🤣🤣🤣 Xbox is so dead. I know you scared🤣🫵ӿ 97;
Even when the topic is strictly Xbox he can't stop talking about PlayStation. Xbox has basically become the hate of PlayStation... and not much else.
Hurt over video games 🤣🤣
Lmao we all grew and got jobs but apparently you stayed home broke 🤣🤣.
Man I love loyal dogs like you. MS kicked Spit and slapped you around but you still come back on all 4s.
Good little boy 🤣🤣
My only question is what games are PlayStation gamers gonna play now? They don’t really come out with new games anymore. I’m looking forward to wolverine, but after that then what?
Lmao
There’s no way after everything it’s going back, the damage is done
What you are seeing now is the new management telling what the core fanbase (aka…you) want to hear so they are pumped full of hope and are more likely to invest in the next Xbox console
When Phil took over after the awful Xbox One reveal he did the same thing, he told people what they wanted to hear for damage control.
It’s crazy people are getting suckered into this again.
And you'll now go back to again thinking exclusives suddenly matter, that multiplatform is no longer the future, or that revenue from multiplatforms doesn't matter, like all you flop flopping xbox grifters lol.
The whole post just sounds like the previous phil corpo slop talk to me, whole thing reads like a nothing burger lol.
“re-evaluating exclusivity”
She also said this.
“The model that got us here won’t be the one that takes us forward.”
I don't know if they have a model anymore it's flipped so many times since the xbox one reveal
There's a bunch just like him but that's what happens when some rely on dreams, hope and wishful thinking. lol
"pretending"? Bro gears hasnt broke 1mil on ps5, and starfield hasn't passed 200k, Hellblade 2 was even stated to be a financial disappointment in sales on its own console, let alone ps5. Im not saying people don't like them, but they certainly aren't setting the community on fire, Forza may be different tho
Xbawx is ''re-evaluating exclusivity''... Translation: After throwing all sort of crap to the wall to see if something sticks but clearly nothing worked, we, including our lord ''in charge'' Phil came to the conclusion that exclusives indeed do matter so please forget if we ever said otherwise.
Yup, I feel it in my gut, next gen belongs to xbox, PS6 is cooked...
Someone can’t sleep after those 5 million forza games PURCHASED by PlayStation owners🤣 🧌 💥
Well with the decreased price of gamespass even with cod off it there is no way it is profitable given the cost of making their 1st party games (not if you actually include that cost in gamespass costs which they typically dont but should) they will just make a loss without the sales on
If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.
Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.
We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+
True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.
I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.
If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.
Funny world where Sony is pro consumer and Xbox is not? At least according to what you loyalists have been saying all this time 🤭
@itveds For how many years have you been doing this sad stuff? For how many years have you been creating fake accounts to troll? For how many years have you always been cl vnn
Pathetic incels with nothing better to do than argue over a box... Because they don't have any good games to play on theirs, obviously. If your precious box is so special, why don't you shut the fuck up and go play it?
I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.
I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.
They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?
Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.
Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.
PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy
Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.
The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.
It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.
They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.
Insider Gaming writes: "Marathon was one of the best-selling video games in March 2026 in the United States. On Wednesday, Circna released the best-selling games of the month, and it featured six new releases along with two games returning to the top 20 after previously falling out."
Is it April fools day again?
The game is dead.
EDIT: the numbers are fudged. “digital sales on Nintendo and Xbox weren’t included in the data”
well it's not on Switch / Switch 2.. so their number would be zero.
The game had a decent launch however the userbase numbers are dwindling on Steam.
“ Is it April fools day again?
The game is dead.
EDIT: the numbers are fudged. “digital sales on Nintendo and Xbox weren’t included in the data”
Does it hurt you to hear a SONY game was BEST selling ?
You gotta let go of those OBCURED feelings 🤷🏿
I mean the only reason MLB was the best selling title was because it was multi-platform. Likewise with Marathon. Will ring true for MS games. Only Nintendo titles are truly flexing their muscles when they chart as they are only to be found there.
It's kinda funny how this Obscure guy lives rent-free in your head. lol
Does Phil also live there?
It's kinda funny how this Obscure guy lives rent-free in your head. lol
Does Phil also live there?
I’m sorry did you wrote something smart ?
Or are you trying to to be funny because you failed at both
Now kid run to mommy legs the grown ups are talking.
Don’t bother writing anything I will not respond to a bratty child like you
Yeah sure, yet the player count is no where near what they want for a AAA game with so much money behind it
Why people are trying to spin this game like it’s done overly amazing is baffling to me.
It won’t even be a blip on peoples radars by the end of the year .
You must me typically wrong cuz those Steam chart numbers (AKA where the game sold the MOST) is less than what Hunt has, and Hunt didn't cost $500 million to make lol
The release on Steam of the anime-style gacha-less open-world RPG DragonSword: Awakening is facing a legal challenge from its gacha publisher.
Buying a console isn't like buying a house or something... Does it really matter which console "wins"?
Isaac I've seen a lot of your brand worshiping posts on N4G and I just don't get it. Why do you care so much? What is missing in your life that makes you want to root for a corporation so hard? If the PS3 "wins" will that make you feel better about yourself because you were smart enough to pick the best console? I mean picking the right console out of three choices really proves something. If you picked the wrong one damn that would be terrible you would have lost a whole $400... Personally I'd rather get all of them and be able to experience everything. I don't want to have to talk myself into believing that I'm not interested in game coming out for the competing platform. Choice will always win. Competition helps all gamers. Hoping and praying on one console to win over the other will get you no where.
If Sony makes a profit, it won't really matter for them if they ended up in "third place"
That's exactly right but seeing how they were #1 for two gens in a row it would be considered the biggest loser even though there is no winning or losing if you end up in the black. This is just going with Nintendo owning with the NES and SNES then going south with the N64 and GC. If you ask people who owned PS1 and PS2 they would say Nintendo was the biggest loser rather than saying they still made a profit.
In the end it all depends on who is looking at it. One will see glory, one will see failure, and one will see a bunch of games from all companies.
NES will crash in 1984? No. 1986? No. 1989? No. OMG its 1990 Nintendo is gonna crash just like Atari and computers will take gaming! No.
Year of Commodore/Amiga will be ______?
Wii Fad will end in 2006? no 2007? no 2008? no 2009? no
Year of PS3 2006? No 2007? No 2008? No 2009? No
Person A: But its a ten year life cycle Bama!
2016? NO!
Person B; But wait for FFXIII Bama!
Remember the Wonderswan!
Person C: But bluray Bama!
But digital distrubution!
Person D: But everything for Sony starts with Metal Gear Bama just look at PS1/PS2!
Lies. PS1 was huge because of a ton of 3rd part support from previous SNES developers. PS2 was popular from the start but had shortages.
Person E: you just want Sony to lose?! OMGZZ!!
Be realistic
Person F: Just wait until ______
Has this ever worked?
Person G: Just wait Bama your gonna feel dumb pretty soon! Arrogance and gibberish thats all you is!
And what do you think you are? At the end of this you'll see just how right I am.
to determine really. There are alot of things people must take into consideration.
1. The console war is only in its infancy.
2. Only 25% of last gen gamers have migrated sofar.
3. Wii is the only console that has surpass its last gen userbase.
Let put things into perspective.
For Sony
1. The PS3 is selling at the same rate the PS2 was selling at this point in time in its lifecyle.
2. Sony is only just getting started with the PS3 with features and Games.
3. Unlike other consoles this gen. The PS3 is the only console with a Blu ray drive which will help the sales of the PS3 once the uptake in HD increases.PS3 is the only console that is HD standard.
For the X360. Things don't look good.
1. The x360 is nearing its 3rd year on the market(1 year without competition) and yet it still haven't surpass the xbox userbase. accumulated in 4 years
2. The x360 is getting closer to the mass market price and yet it still got outsold by the competition.
For the wii. Its still unknown the true impact of the wii until later next year. Wii is the unknown variable this gen. We already know that 3rd parties don't sell that well on the wii but the question of weather it will continue to sell at the current rate for years to come is doubtful. Once the PS3 lowers its price within 100 dollars. The sales for the wii will most likely decrease.
Again its still too early to say. All i can say is that the PS3 is in a very good position in the long run to dominate like the PS2 did and the PS1 before it.
If NIntendo wii was a fad then wiifit wouldnt sell as much as it does a year and a half after the release of the wii.Get real people.Issac i have many friends who own ps3's that they dont play and collect dust because they are not into metal gear(which is the only game this year that is any good for ps3) all they use it for is bluray.and this is the case for alot of ps3 owners seeing as how what was the figure somwhere around 80% of all bluray players were ps3s in the world.Sony is lucky they bought of the studios they did to win the format war but in doing that just added to sony being even more in debt from the ps3.....3.3 billion i do believe forbes reported 3 weeks ago.