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Thoughts on GoW: Ascension Trophy, 'Bros Before Hos.'

Before I start, let me point out that these are, very literally, my first thoughts on the topic. I am open to other points of view, and encourage them. So yeah, thanks and enjoy reading.

'Bros Before Hos.' The phrase often used to guilt a buddy into hanging in the man-cave, rather than going out to dinner with his girlfriend. To those who don't know, however, it is also the title of a Playstation 3 Trophy for God of War: Ascension. This particular trophy is awarded for brutally boot-stomping one of the Furies heads into a pulp. Apparently, it's one of the most graphic scenes in video games to-date, but with God of War, that's to be expected. GoW has always had this sense of grandeur, of epicness, of violence. But this one trophy, three simple words and a ding, awarded for committing an act of violence, pushed it over the edge for many people and loyal fans. I'm hear to share my immediate thoughts on the topic, and explain why, for me, it didn't cross the proverbial line.

Pure misogyny is probably the first phrase that comes to peoples' minds when they see this trophy or read about it. The simple, albeit brutal, act of bashing the Furies head in was completely transformed when the player saw the title of the trophy, into something nasty and evil. No longer were they simply killing a fictional beast, but they were murdering a woman. And not only were they murdering a woman, they were being rewarded for it with a ill-titled trophy. I'm sure a lot of people put the game down right then and there, just too appalled to continue.

What upsets me, however, isn't the gore for which the trophy is awarded, or even the title of the trophy. It makes me sick that so many people can be so hypocritical of what just happened when they got the trophy. Like all of the people playing it have never said anything that bashed someone in one way or another. It begs the question of how people would have reacted if that trophy would not have been in place. Would people still be appalled? Because obviously the tone changed immediately for people when they saw the title of the trophy, and not for the better. Would they still have ranted about how wrong the scene was? Getting a poorly titled trophy, seemingly, made everyone realize just how brutal and violent GoW can be. Why are they just now becoming concerned with what they see and do in a GoW title? In God of War 3, Kratos snaps Hera's neck like a twig and the Internet didn't explode over it. And finally, why is the phrase, 'Bros Before Hos,' cutting so deep, when most people have used it jokingly in regular conversation? It's a stretch, but maybe it's possible that Santa Monica Studios was also using it jokingly.

Now, I'm not condoning misogynistic behavior in the slightest. Woman are obviously equal to men and, often times, they surpass men. But I think people and gamers alike are taking this trophy a little too seriously. Yes, it is awarded right after the death of a woman. And yes it has a title that could be interpreted as woman-bashing and hateful. I think that gamers shouldn't take the news of this trophy as hurtful or wrongful, but simply as a game studio using a popular phrase as a joke. Now, if a person playing this game is upset with the content for which the trophy was given, I completely understand and they have the right to be upset (although, GoW is sort of know for violent content). But, honestly, if a gamer is only disgusted with the content after the trophy was awarded, then they should come down off their pedestal and be a little more reasonable. Everything is taken in context and people who are desperately looking for misogynistic behavior are, more than likely, going to find it.

Blastoise4795d ago

" But, honestly, if a gamer is only disgusted with the content after the trophy was awarded, then they should come down off their pedestal and be a little more reasonable"

Lol, yeah, I agree.

*Bashes the face of a woman into a bloody pulp*
Oh man! This game is so brutal! :D

*trophy pops up a moment later*
Now that's just sick!

Personally I imagine had I not read this blog or heard of the trophy, I'd have thought nothing of it and continued with the game. Maybe even would have gotten a slight laugh out of me. I don't know what that say's about me, maybe people view that as wrong, but that's probably what I'd do

KwietStorm_BLM4795d ago

We're desensitized. I agree with everything you said. Probably would have chuckled too.

Derekvinyard134795d ago

It depends on the person, for one it honestly pissed me off in DUKE NUKEM FOREVER when you hit the women in the cave level, he comes off as such a piece of shit when he does it, I agree with blastoise tho prolly would have just moved on.

majiebeast4795d ago

I thought women wanted to be treated equal so that also means getting ripped to shreds by Kratos lady´s.

MeatAbstract4795d ago

Is it true Santa Monica added the trophy in after feminists tried to force Santa Monica studio to remove female enemies from the game on the grounds of 'being sexist' and this was the developers way jokingly poking fun at them? I read a few user say this but couldn't find anywhere when Santa Monica have confirmed it.

Either way, I honestly don't see it as that big a-deal. It's tongue in cheek. What irked me more was Adam Sessler saying that the violence on a woman was 'borderline'. I don't get that. Why is it more shocking if its violence on a woman than on a man? Do we not live in a more equal time? Suddenly a big boss (that happens to be female) gets beaten to death and suddenly that's 'borderline' bad but crush Hercules' head until its mush, that's all gravy apparently.

imtheman20134795d ago

The Adam Sessler review of this game is what inspired me to write this. Usually, I agree with most of what Sessler says, but the 'borderline' comment really got to me...

And I forgot about Hercules. Easily one of the most brutal deaths in any game. I agree with that 100%.

Ducky4795d ago (Edited 4795d ago )

He also followed the 'borderline' comment by saying that it was still within the boundaries of the series.

His complaint wasn't really on the brutal nature of that scene, rather it was the developers throwing in a juvenile joke that soured the experience for him.

imtheman20134795d ago

Yes he did say that it barely stayed within the boundaries, but what are the boundaries? If games have set limits and boundaries, then all we end up with are politically correct pieces of a very boring pie.

And it bugs me that it affected his overall score... because it's really a subjective thing, when he's supposed to be as objective as possible with the review. Like, for me, that trophy isn't going to change how I look at the game at all. He has the right to gripe about the trophy, but to let it affect the review is going a little too far.

MeatAbstract4795d ago

I'm looking at it and he's saying 'it keeps it JUST inside a total context'. Why is it JUST inside though? It's obviously more violent to him because it's a woman. He does point out the lack of gender roles, which is true, but he's still saying that because it was a woman, it was barely acceptable to the series.

Think of some of the stuff you pull off in GoW 3, some of the violent stuff you do in that game and then consider those moments to what's being said here. They're ok though and aren't for discussion or are classed as 'borderline' and 'JUST inside a total context' because its men dying and that's ok. But women, WOAH, shcoking, thank god its fits in with the games dark nature otherwise I'd be over the borderline horrified'.

But yes, the trophy. We've seen these. GoW collection, climb the pillars of hades without falling. Trophy pops up 'Get me a beer, kid' pops up. It's not at all in the context of the game. It's a joke.

I do reckon this was one for the fans though, If you remember, SSM did say they were pulling back on the female violence because because of some feminist issues. Fans were annoyed at this as they felt outside parties were pressuring the studio to make changes to this game. This is almost a way of saying 'Hey, we didn't cave' and having a little joke.

Call it juvenile, call it silly or whatever. It's a silly joke. It's something that pops up on your screen for 3 seconds and disappears. I honestly don't see it as that big of an issue.

Ducky4795d ago (Edited 4795d ago )

@imtheman2013
He did what any good reviewer should do. He pointed out the good and bad so that you, the viewer, can make up your own mind.
This is the part of a review that should be objective.

The final score is based on his own feelings about the game. To him, the trophy thing was a big deal and was 'irredeemably' bad.
This part is inherently subjective, so I don't get why you're expecting it to be objective.

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As for the boundaries bit, that is set by the game itself. Seeing a character brutally rip an eyeball out of another living creature is within the boundaries of GoW, but would be out of place if SackBoy was doing it.

The brutality of the scene was within the boundaries of GoW, but the trophy felt out of place and ultimately hurt the tone of the game. Or at least, that's my interpretation of what Sessler was getting at.

@MeatAbstract
I think you're reading too much into the "just" part. This isn't the first time that Kratos has attacked a female character. So it's not a Men vs Women violence thing.

imtheman20134795d ago (Edited 4795d ago )

@Ducky

I agree that at the beginning, he made valid points with his good bad criticisms. But some things in games are either objectively good, or objectively bad. Like smooth mechanics and technical performance.

Then he went on to label things that are good and bad in a compiled list. In that compiled list, he put those mechanical and technical things, but he also put in more subjective things that each player will interpret differently. Like the story and, in this case, trophy context.

A reviewer should attempt to tell the consumer the truth about the game, not just their feelings towards the game. And yes, I realize that the review needs some subjective thoughts in it, but they shouldn't reflect the final score given to the game. Because even though some games might be wonderful, they will still, unfairly, receive bad scores from critics that were just rubbed the wrong way by the game. When compared to a larger audience, that thing that turned the reviewer off to the game, might not have the same effect on the consumer.
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And I completely see where you're coming from with the Sack Boy, GoW reference. That makes sense, I thought we were being general and talking about the gaming industry as a whole :P

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ZoyosJD4795d ago

The thing is, it's those words that set him off. He practically states that it's the trophy that crosses the line because everything before that was "borderline".

Sure, the trophy is juvinile in name, but if it takes a juvinile comment to make you realise how "horrific" the things you are virtually doing are, you need to take a look at what you consider to be too violent and reconsider your position on the subject as a whole.

jessupj4795d ago

Adam is just another mangina, aka white knight. A pussy whipped man that desperately needs female approval.

Mangina's annoying me even more than rabid feminists.

Apparently a woman's life is of much higher value than a man's.

"That woman was completely defenseless!", you say? You think a man is any more capable against Kratos? You think he feels any less pain? Of course not.

So, Adam, please stop throwing your gender under a bus and understand the simple concept that a man's life is just as equal as a woman's life.

Simon_Brezhnev4795d ago

I know right game sis for entertainment period. GOW isnt meant to be educational. He is a white knight and mad about a silly quote. All the damn quote means if he bothered to look it up is "don't stab any friend in the back over a woman."

Adam probably hates rap music with a passion.

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Xbox has always been different.

We started with a simple idea. Games should bring people together through shared experiences. That led to the first Xbox in 2001, Xbox Live in 2002, and new ways to connect, from friends lists and achievements to parties and play across devices. Today, Xbox reaches over 500 million players around the world, with some of the most important franchises in entertainment.

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Itveds7h ago

re-evaluating exclusivity 💀

PS players will need to go back to pretending to dislike Xbox games

pwnmaster30007h ago(Edited 7h ago)

Or meaning since it’s doing so good they might just do everything day 1.

They didnt say re-evaluating their multiplatform approach.
🤣🤣🤣 Xbox is so dead. I know you scared🤣🫵ӿ 97;

7h ago
Eonjay4h ago

Even when the topic is strictly Xbox he can't stop talking about PlayStation. Xbox has basically become the hate of PlayStation... and not much else.

pwnmaster30007h ago

Hurt over video games 🤣🤣

Lmao we all grew and got jobs but apparently you stayed home broke 🤣🤣.
Man I love loyal dogs like you. MS kicked Spit and slapped you around but you still come back on all 4s.

Good little boy 🤣🤣

7h ago
GhostScholar5h ago

My only question is what games are PlayStation gamers gonna play now? They don’t really come out with new games anymore. I’m looking forward to wolverine, but after that then what?

-Foxtrot7h ago

Lmao

There’s no way after everything it’s going back, the damage is done

What you are seeing now is the new management telling what the core fanbase (aka…you) want to hear so they are pumped full of hope and are more likely to invest in the next Xbox console

When Phil took over after the awful Xbox One reveal he did the same thing, he told people what they wanted to hear for damage control.

It’s crazy people are getting suckered into this again.

GhostScholar5h ago

I mean I always buy both systems, so none of this affects me.

CrashMania6h ago

And you'll now go back to again thinking exclusives suddenly matter, that multiplatform is no longer the future, or that revenue from multiplatforms doesn't matter, like all you flop flopping xbox grifters lol.

The whole post just sounds like the previous phil corpo slop talk to me, whole thing reads like a nothing burger lol.

Jin_Sakai5h ago

“re-evaluating exclusivity”

She also said this.

“The model that got us here won’t be the one that takes us forward.”

Profchaos3h ago

I don't know if they have a model anymore it's flipped so many times since the xbox one reveal

TriniOutsider5h ago

It must be miserable being someone like you.

Aloymetal4h ago

There's a bunch just like him but that's what happens when some rely on dreams, hope and wishful thinking. lol

isarai_lee4h ago

"pretending"? Bro gears hasnt broke 1mil on ps5, and starfield hasn't passed 200k, Hellblade 2 was even stated to be a financial disappointment in sales on its own console, let alone ps5. Im not saying people don't like them, but they certainly aren't setting the community on fire, Forza may be different tho

Neonridr3h ago

Forza broke 5 million on PlayStation. So yes. And there's a new one coming soon.

Aloymetal4h ago

Xbawx is ''re-evaluating exclusivity''... Translation: After throwing all sort of crap to the wall to see if something sticks but clearly nothing worked, we, including our lord ''in charge'' Phil came to the conclusion that exclusives indeed do matter so please forget if we ever said otherwise.
Yup, I feel it in my gut, next gen belongs to xbox, PS6 is cooked...

4h ago
1Victor3h ago

Someone can’t sleep after those 5 million forza games PURCHASED by PlayStation owners🤣 🧌 💥

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Extermin8or3_1h ago

Well with the decreased price of gamespass even with cod off it there is no way it is profitable given the cost of making their 1st party games (not if you actually include that cost in gamespass costs which they typically dont but should) they will just make a loss without the sales on

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Outside_ofthe_Box7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster30007h ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

Itveds7h ago

Gonna be a funny world where Xbox games are exclusive and Sony games are not lol

Outside_ofthe_Box5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

Funny world where Sony is pro consumer and Xbox is not? At least according to what you loyalists have been saying all this time 🤭

VenomUK4h ago

@itveds For how many years have you been doing this sad stuff? For how many years have you been creating fake accounts to troll? For how many years have you always been cl vnn

fr0sty3h ago

Pathetic incels with nothing better to do than argue over a box... Because they don't have any good games to play on theirs, obviously. If your precious box is so special, why don't you shut the fuck up and go play it?

CrashMania6h ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

Neonridr3h ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box54m ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Pyrofire952h ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

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maximusprime_6h ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted5h ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

shadowT6h ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers6h ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

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92nar1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

Is it April fools day again?

The game is dead.

EDIT: the numbers are fudged. “digital sales on Nintendo and Xbox weren’t included in the data”

italiangamer1d 10h ago

🖕🖕🖕 29313;🤡🤡

92nar1d 7h ago

How’s concord 2, sorry I mean marathon doing? 🤣🤣

Neonridr13h ago

well it's not on Switch / Switch 2.. so their number would be zero.

The game had a decent launch however the userbase numbers are dwindling on Steam.

1Victor13h ago(Edited 13h ago)

“ Is it April fools day again?

The game is dead.

EDIT: the numbers are fudged. “digital sales on Nintendo and Xbox weren’t included in the data”

Does it hurt you to hear a SONY game was BEST selling ?
You gotta let go of those OBCURED feelings 🤷🏿

Neonridr13h ago

I mean the only reason MLB was the best selling title was because it was multi-platform. Likewise with Marathon. Will ring true for MS games. Only Nintendo titles are truly flexing their muscles when they chart as they are only to be found there.

S2Killinit2h ago

So that means we are going to act like it wasn’t best selling?

ChunkyMonk1h ago

It's kinda funny how this Obscure guy lives rent-free in your head. lol

Does Phil also live there?

1Victor19m ago

It's kinda funny how this Obscure guy lives rent-free in your head. lol

Does Phil also live there?
I’m sorry did you wrote something smart ?
Or are you trying to to be funny because you failed at both
Now kid run to mommy legs the grown ups are talking.
Don’t bother writing anything I will not respond to a bratty child like you

Outside_ofthe_Box12h ago

Can't wait to see how this is spun negatively. 😜

-Foxtrot7h ago

Yeah sure, yet the player count is no where near what they want for a AAA game with so much money behind it

Why people are trying to spin this game like it’s done overly amazing is baffling to me.

It won’t even be a blip on peoples radars by the end of the year .

S2Killinit2h ago

I really doubt that. I see it getting more and more traction.

ChunkyMonk1h ago

You must me typically wrong cuz those Steam chart numbers (AKA where the game sold the MOST) is less than what Hunt has, and Hunt didn't cost $500 million to make lol

Soy4h ago

So........doing better than most expected, but not enough to make back what it cost.

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