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Microsoft's lack of understanding of what they needed to bring

Before I start, I must confess I was never going to write an E3 blog post. I wasn’t even going to write one after I saw the conferences. What I saw is what I expected to happen which is something I got shot down, here on N4G, for being boring. What change my mind were the endless articles about who won this year. I didn’t mind who they picked (various sites went one way, others went another) but it is the misunderstanding of what Microsoft needed to bring to the table that has me disappointed with these articles. I feel the Microsoft conference showed a lack of understanding of what they needed to bring to E3 and could show a weakness in their leader Phil Spencer.

To understand where I am coming from we must take a trip down memory lane to last year where Microsoft revealed the Xbox One. Let’s not beat around the bush, the reaction was fairly poor. Microsoft was heavily criticised for its policies and price but it was also criticised for putting media features first and not games. This poor reaction combined with performance discrepancy has created the position Microsoft is in today; not leading in the markets they used to dominate in and not making ground in those regions they never controlled. It is a tricky position to be in as Sony showed with the last generation (they never recovered from the early losses in regions such as the UK or the US).

Fans have been crying out to Microsoft to show the games and leave the unnecessary feature talk for another time. I am also with these people as Microsoft needed to show the games to convince people the Xbox One vas value for money. Phil Spencer responded to the fans saying that their E3 conference will be full of games and only about games. Anyone who watched the conference would agree he did keep his promise. He showed lots of games that were coming to the Xbox One. The problem was Phil’s E3 was less about selling the Xbox One and more about selling the idea that these gaming exist. Phil brought the wrong type of games to the Xbox One’s conference and totally misunderstood what needed to be done as head of the Xbox division.

In tradition E3 fashion Geoff Keighley (thanks totallynotglenn not sure why I got that wrong) was there for the post conference interview. I was pleasantly surprised Geoff actually asked a decent question. He asked Phil, from what they showed, what would convince people to get an Xbox One instead of a PS4 in light of the possibility that the third party games could perform better on the PS4. It is an issue Microsoft never addressed in their conference. Their strongest showing were mainly third party games which is a point Geoff brought out in his questions to Phil. Microsoft ended up selling games not their system and Microsoft are not in a position to do that. Considering it is likely (due to what has happened before) the PS4 version would perform better why is Microsoft wasting time showing these games? I would understand if they were running away with the sales as more people would be buying these games for their system at not any other system. Even in the future it makes sense when you have 20-30 million units out there.

Phil has listened to the fans without thinking about the business side of E3 with I think boils down to his gaming routes. Gamers liked Microsoft’s conference because it showed a load of games but is it going to make people buy their console instead of their competitors (for what they showed). It is highly unlikely for what I said in the previous paragraph. Microsoft is still in the same position it was before E3 as the strongest parts of their conference advertised the PS4 as well (which is worrying for them).

thorstein4346d ago (Edited 4346d ago )

Actually, you know what would be a great E3 blog post. One criticizing all the E3 critics. The Electronic Entertainment (something many of those critics seems to have misunderstood) Expo is still going on, yet claims of "mediocre" and "[insert favorite console here] Won E3!" Abound.

As a Sony fan, I have never hidden what I love about my chosen system. However, I wanted Microsoft to really have a great E3. It is because of Microsoft that SONY knew they must create a killer system and that they could not rest on their laurels.

I think that SONY came out swinging again and I like the services that they are offering. But, as a gamer, I need MS to be strong in order to make my chosen platform stronger.

I would blog about the E3 critics, but it would be too short and would amount to just one question:

If your so disappointed with gaming, then why don't you find something else to do with your life?

Kavorklestein4345d ago

^This!
I agree with you very much so. And I can say as an MS fan you have earned some mad respect from me.
Competition is very key to the big two.
I don't see nintendo as competition, I see it as a place to have some good fun.
The Big two however drive each other to a greater experience for all gamers, no matter the system.

I don't think we as gamers should be saying "if you aren't selling the most, then you suck."

I mean, are we supposed to judge everything by how much it sells?

Lady Gaga or Katy Perry sell more records than a band like Parkway Drive, does that mean Parkway Drive sucks?
Nope. Just different strokes for different folks.

Another example. Is Frozen a better movie than the movies that it surpassed in box office sales?
NO! (at least in my opinion) but still, different strokes for different folks.

Pogmathoin4344d ago (Edited 4344d ago )

Well put Thorstein, does feel like there is no place for that thinking here... MS had a solid E3, as did all.... But there has been a rush of articles hammering only MS...... Spencer has done a lot of right things.... And nothing wrong.... Many here, like this blogger must feel threaten...... Ffs, its just a console...... So sad.....

@ superman below.... 5 million..... 7-8 million, both are still tiny compared to PS3, 360..... Your arguments are desperate.... Sure Sony will sell great.... X1 has sold record numbers too..... Sony could have cemented there position this year at E3...... They failed in that respect, but had a solid E3...... You look at everything, but only decide to look at MS to analyse negatives....... That is definition of Fanboy..... No perspective from you.....

Rik_Mayall4346d ago

E3 is not an advertising billing for previously released products.

It's a trade fair to showcase ideas and future products in motion.

iamnsuperman4346d ago

I think you have missed the point. Sure E3 is a trades show but a trade show is their to advertise your product to a mass audience at once. The problem with Microsoft's conference was its strongest showings sort of advertised the PS4 as well and the concept of gaming in general; not just the One which is bad since Microsoft needed to come out strong after E3 (but they are just in the same position they were before E3).

I get it is about showing what is coming to the platform soon but it is, especially in the gaming, about convincing more people to buy your system (the business side of things)

air14345d ago

So you didn't like the tv tv tv talk last time and now you don't like the game game game talk this time..

Their is that saying.... "You can't please everyone" I think that fits you perfectly...

It's like you need your hand held through the entire gen to make a decision. Everyone cried last year "where are the games" and now your crying where is the tech.. If you still need convincing that all 3 platforms will bring some amazing stuff this gen.... Then IMO the one that doesn't understand is you..

I mean really what more convincing you need? Games are coming and they have been updating the console very quickly.

All you have to say is, I don't like the games and I don't thing ms the giant software company isn't going to do much with its software expertise..

iamnsuperman4345d ago (Edited 4345d ago )

@air1

I liked seeing the games and I liked the game talk. But ultimately it was undermined but what games they showed. I am a PS4 owner and I watched that conference going Oh I will pick up that game for my PS4 and that one too because the strongest moments were third party games. That is the issue. It isn't as simple as showing any old game Microsoft needed to show a strong presence of why people should pick up a One. The tactic they presented would have been fine (as I mention in the blog post) if they had sold 20,30+ million units because you know you're speaking to a large audience who are going to be buying these games for your system. But at this stage when you have sold/shipped 4-5 million the audience is fairly small. Another important issue Microsoft has is these big third party games have (for the past 8 months) performed better on the PS4 (which is something Geoff brought up). My blog isn't about being hard to please it is about their direction was well off. Their conference was like a giant trailer for getting people into gaming, but not gaming on their system (which is the point of E3, especially in the first 3 years of a console)

air14344d ago

So then it came down to you not liking the games... Not that ms didn't understand,it's like you said your a ps guy and those 2015 games got you excited.

I think they understood perfectly, the "gamers" wanted games so ms took 90 min to talk about the games you just didn't like them.

Ps4 having the slightly better 3rd party performing games is no different than the 360 and ps3 last gen and the ps3 still sold well. It comes down to exclusives and this yr IMO ms has it in the bag. Obviously we see differently in the games.

Anyway e3 is and has always been about the games... Stats can be announced at any time so can add ons like sonys vr since it has no games to talk about.

What do you mean by "gaming but not gaming on their system? If you want to play halo 1-4 overdrive horizon 2 fable ki s2 crackdown then what system you plan on playing it?

barb_wire4345d ago

Well, if that is indeed true and E3 is

"a trade fair to showcase ideas and future products in motion."

Then, MS failed on that regard. Yes, MS showcased games, which is all well and fine, but so did Nintendo and Sony, the difference is that the others also showcased new hardware.

For the last few days I've had people tell (and on one occassion yell) at me that MS is working on it's own version of Oculus Rift, Project Morpheus. Well, don't you think that E3 would have been the perfect setting to introduce this new tech? They didn't.

Since E3 is a trade show MS again could've reminded the gaming world that they now sell the XBOne WITHOUT Kinect for $399.99 - Not everyone who attends E3 or even reports on it, work exclusively within the gaming industry. They didn't.

Speaking of Kinect, they showcased nothing for it (far cry from E3 2013) Whether you like it or not, there are still, at the very least 4mil Kinect's out there.. what were you shown that takes advantage of it. Nothing. It seems as far as MS is concerned (at least for now) you don't exist.

At the end of the day E3 2014 was a missed opportunity for MS, they could've, maybe they should've shown new hardware, Sony has a white PS4 w/Destiny coming in the Fall. Nintendo showcased it's Amiibo collection. What did MS show? Nothing. Sometimes, showing just games, just isn't enough anymore.

Here's to E3 2015, when it seems most of the games are releasing anyway.

Rik_Mayall4345d ago (Edited 4345d ago )

Cool.

But well done for taking my comment completely out of context to what I was originally relating to. Most importantly you negated to read the first part of my comment.

barb_wire4345d ago

@Rik

To quote you fully..

"E3 is not an advertising billing for previously released products.

It's a trade fair to showcase ideas and future products in motion."

Point 1

In regards to what the OP wrote, in that MS (in his eyes) did more to promote the PS4 than the XBOne.. now going on what you wrote.. "E3 is not an advertising billing for previously released products." - So, why have a E3 then?, after all, the PS4, Wii U and XBOne as well as previous gens have ALL been released, yet you clearly state not advertising released products.. So, in your eyes, what should E3 be about?

Point 2

" It's a trade fair to showcase ideas and future products in motion"

Which MS didn't do on any level, unless of course you count games (which the other two also did as did numerous software companies).. no new XBone bundle, no new tech, nothing on how maybe MS will intergrate MS Surface 3 with the XBOne.. Nothing on Kinect - thanks early adopters.

So, how did I take your comment out of context again?

creatchee4345d ago

@barb_wire

Morpheus is not hardware - it's a peripheral.

A white version of an existing console is not new hardware - it's a white version of an existing console.

PlayStation TV is not new. Also, it bombed outside of the U.S.

So if Microsoft showed nothing, then Sony showed just as much nothing. Probably less, considering that 20 minute snoozefest with the PSN guy and the announcement of that Powers show that nobody is actually going to watch.

dedicatedtogamers4345d ago

If Microsoft's goal at E3 was to shift momentum away from the PS4 toward the X1, then they utterly failed, which is why I think this blog is on-point. Microsoft didn't need a great E3. They needed an E3 that made people stop considering a PS4 and instead choose an X1. And they didn't have that sort of conference. The games shown look great to long-time Xbox fans and current X1 owners, but to the rest of the world? Nah. People will continue buying PS4 in droves and X1 will continue to struggle, even it its home territory.

Necro_5594345d ago (Edited 4345d ago )

Continue to struggle? HAJHJAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You mean outselling its previous system and every other system in history. Yup, its struggling alright. Both these systems are selling faster then any previous system in history. Are you people living in a alternate dimension? Or are you just delusional? Also, since the Kinect less X1. They have been flying off the shelves and its only a matter of time when the X1 catches up. Its just a fact.

ravinash4345d ago

The Kinectless Xbox was only announced a few days ago, do you have any number to back up your claim about them flying off the self?

MysticStrummer4345d ago

"You mean outselling its previous system and every other system in history"

XB1 is struggling. It's sitting around 4.5 million sold, but more than 3 million of that total were sold in 2013. XB1 hit 3 million in December, and it took quite awhile to get to 4 million. PS4 hit 3 million at roughly the same time in December, then hit 4 million either right at the end of December or the first of January, and is now over 8 million sold.

Yes, XB1 is struggling. If it wasn't, do you really think MS would have dropped Kinect so fast to lower the price? Come on now...

As for the 360, it had supply problems early in it's life, which is why XB1 has a higher total in the same time frame. XB1 has no supply problem. At the current pace, XB1 will no longer be the fastest selling XBox before too long.

OP - "The problem was Phil’s E3 was less about selling the Xbox One and more about selling the idea that these gaming exist."

I'm guessing the OP meant "games" instead of "gaming" there at the end, and if so I completely agree. What I saw the other day made me think those games will do fine but it still may not sell XB1s, and so far on Amazon that's what is happening. The games jumped up the list. The console didn't.

MS played it safe, or played scared, depending on how nice you want to be about it. They changed their game, ignored what they previously said was so important to XB1's success, and still didn't do enough to make Sony sweat.

Sony just did their thing. Games, stats, hardware, features, some bad jokes, some bad pacing. That's what they nearly always do. They even did it last year, but everyone ignored the lows because of the bombs they dropped at certain points.

The OP is right. E3 showed that MS still doesn't quite get it.

air14345d ago

My vote goes to

" live in a alternate dimension"

I mean many of them think this gen, that isnt even a yr old yet, is already over!lol
Apearantly, in that other dimension, someone got the GAME OVER.

jessupj4344d ago

Don't know why you're getting so many disagrees. MS is in a position right now that they don't want to be. At this rate the PS4 is looking to double the xbone user base. MS needed an amazing show to claw back that market share and that didn't happen.

Picnic4345d ago (Edited 4345d ago )

I think that Microsoft's E3 was very solid indeed, concisely about the games.

I think that, in terms of the exclusives or timed arrangements that I didn't previously know about (so not including Uncharted 4 which I did know about for example) Microsoft might even have won for my tastes.

Disney Fantasia
Ori and the Blind Forest
Inside (timed Xbox One exclusive from Playdead, makers of Phil Spencer favourite Limbo)
Crackdown
Scalebound

PS4's Bloodborne , Abzu and Let It Die were most of interest on their side.
And , yes, they tend to look slicker than some similar-looking Xbox One games.

A new Sunset Overdrive trailer which somehow managed to be even better than the original great one. Plus gameplay with Ted Price showing more of the game world.

Not having anything new to show of Quantum Break plus showing their virtual reality headset and that there are demos for it means that it is certainly possible to argue that Sony had the best showing. However do we really need Little Big Planet 3? I'd like to see a new Motorstorm announced.

Of course Microsoft don't actually position themselves as 'us v them' against Sony. Whereas Sony certainly do- they made a point of saying how multiformats will look best on PS4. So Microsoft's 'ace up the sleeve' has to be exclusives that have no exact Sony equivalent e.g. Sunset Overdrive.

incendy354345d ago (Edited 4345d ago )

Actually MS did exactly what they needed to do.

They offered system options for "every" gamer.

They removed the paywall.

They gave more power to developers.

They gave their fans Halo in a huge Christmas package that is very affordable.

They announced tons of apps without clogging up stage time.

They announced big exclusives coming soon: Forza Horizons and Sunset Overdrive.

They announced a beta for Halo 5 coming ""this"" year.

They showed great third party support, the two top selling franchises COD and AC were shown on their stage with content coming from those games first on X1.

The highest rated Kinect franchise was announced as returning very soon for fans of the device.

They showed Crackdown, Scalebound, Halo Gaurdians, Phantom Dust for next year as exclusives.

They were perfect. They did everything they needed to and then some... all while still leaving Quantum Break and possibly Gears and the next Rare IP to be at GamesCon. It was epic.

MysticStrummer4345d ago

Some of your list happened before E3 so they don't really apply to this topic, and some of them just equaled what PS4 was already doing. MS certainly didn't win a huge E3 victory, and whether Sony barely lost, tied, or barely won, they still won overall.

kewlkat0074345d ago (Edited 4345d ago )

Perfect list..some don't seem to get it..Microsoft started their E3 three weeks ago...

You outlining those changes and initiatives is exactly what was done.

They could of waited and announce all these changes at E3 but they said it will be about games mostly and that is exactly what happened.

This article is horrible by the way.

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Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

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To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

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The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

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Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

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Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

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15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

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These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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