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N4G users reporting: Sometimes it doesn't make any sense

As I write this blog I have been on this site for 462 days. It may be I have become more observant but the amount of poor reports generated by users is astounding.

When a story appears that a user doesn't like they instantly report it as SPAM (Hypothetically for example a title saying Xbox is better) . Now it maybe just me but Spam is "Spam is the use of electronic messaging systems (including most broadcast media, digital delivery systems) to send unsolicited bulk messages indiscriminately" (from wikipedia on 24th August 2011 updated at 17:57). So why do N4G users report things as Spam when they are not. Why isn't the other section of the report function good enough. Why does something get labelled as spam. It may be flame bait but that doesn't make it spam. The spam button is there for a reason and is not to be abused.

Another bad use of the report function is reporting saying something is lame and not saying why. There is a box when you report for you to put in the reason why something is lame. It isn't helpful at all. It does happen with the other report. Just reporting other doesn't mean anything. Other is so ambiguous. For the same hypothetical example I used in the previous paragraph I will show how stupid not saying why is. If I was to report other, what does it mean?

I am sorry these seams to be a rant but some of the users on the website need to realise what they are doing is not helpful for the users trying to get stories out. Reporting other means nothing and saying something is spam just because you do not like it when it isn't is just plain moronic

Some things need to change on N4G to quell these bad reports. I personally have solutions like for instance forcing users to type in X amount of characters for each report. A way of reporting users more efficiently for reporting incorrectly. These users should face the same punishment those who approve reported articles (X amount of days management ban. All it needs is a little report button nothing to taxing. I personally try reporting these users by reporting there account but not only does this seem like an uphill battle but it feels I am the only one doing it and trying to make the site better by getting rid of the ridiculous reports

I do hope you (the users) read these and seriously consider actually report stories properly. It has fortunately not happened to me but people posting stories and then getting ambiguous reports back is just not helpful. The report button is there to help not just to get rid of the rubbish

WolfLeBlack5407d ago

To be honest I find the whole of N4G pretty nuts when it comes to articles. Things get reported for the smallest flaws, or because it's insulting the damn PS3 or something.

I try to keep my reporting as fair as possible, and if it's just a minor error (a couple of small spelling mistakes for example) I'll report it and explain the mistakes. But other people seem to make there reports sound so offensive. So what if he didn't spell something correctly; typos happen, you don't need to chew him out about it. :D

-Alpha5406d ago

Sometimes small flaws get a report for punctuation, but it helps in the long run to make submissions look professional. I don't mean to be picky, but I'd report a spelling error.

I tend to get offensive when I see a really dishonest, bad, flamebait, article.

Problem I have is hypocrisy. People have no problem approving "Top Ten PS3 Games" for the hundredth time but flip out when "Top 5 Overrated PS3 Games" get approved. IMO, both should be reported.

I honestly can't stand the amount of worthless opinion pieces that get submitted. They are SO easy to write up and abuse the idea of submitting a well written personal opinion piece because people spam their cookie-cutter lists and questions that they don't even intend to answer

Brownghost5406d ago

i just comment when there are spelling errors not report

dark-hollow5406d ago

Why would they delete the reported articles if those articles gonna make more hits and clicks for n4g?

Oh I've said too much!

SageHonor5407d ago

One of the things that used to annoy me the most was when some of my submitted news got reported for being spam.. Yet I see articles get reapproved all the time. Also, its funny how they approve all the flame bait articles. There are sometimes I wonder if the person reporting even looks at the link

Peaceful_Jelly5407d ago

people report as SPAM because a story can't fail by just report it as Lame. You can have 40 reports of LAME and the story can still pass through and that's why people report as SPAM. And stories that are of really bad quality like for example, HHG, they get approved because they have friends who approve the stories as soon as it gets posted in the pending section.

This is how N4G has been rolling since when it started and is never going to change because these flame-wars and drama is what attract people to the site.

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-Alpha5406d ago

I agree about HHG. "Lame" is a really vague word, but poor quality is more appropriate. HHG is the prime example of what's wrong here: people have buddies who approve content with a total blind eye towards the reports.

Also, I take the time out to report and explain what I'm reporting. But when articles I know are bad get approved, I can't help but think my report is overlooked. It leads to people not caring to explain and reporting away without explanation. After all, if poor articles are always approved, why bother detailing a report?

JL5406d ago

@Peaceful Jelly
Using the SPAM report for the means that you mention (ie doing it wrong just to fail a story because "Lame" doesn't a fail a story) is absolutely an abuse of the report system. Members doing so, should be reported and will be dealt with. Spam reports should be left for actual spam (ie those crap ads completely non-related to the site, etc).

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ClimateKaren5406d ago (Edited 5406d ago )

I'm gonna take a wild guess here and say that a lot of the mislabeling is due to the fact that there is no button that says "flamebaiting trash". At least when it comes to articles that are flamebaiting trash, such as the "Why 360 is better" article you used as an example, which we see on the front page 7 times a week here. Shit like that should be flagged as whatever will get it removed quickly as possible. If the site doesn't have built-in functionality to let us dismiss articles on grounds that we've decided are appropriate, then we should take whatever steps possible to make it a better place to browse and chat. If that means calling yet another "10 Reasons why PS3 Exclusives Destroy M$" spam when it isn't spam, then so be it. I'd rather have this be a place where interesting stories are displayed prominently, and discussions revolve around them, rather than the same 5 recycled articles that people have the same recycled arguments in.

JL5406d ago

No, not "so be it". Using the Spam report in this manner is an abuse of the report feature and will not be tolerated.

I think Alpha above mentioned that the "Lame" report is vague. There's a reason for that. That's to lump everything like "flamebait" "bad writing" "poor article" etc all into one, so that we don't have 100 different report types. If you feel a submission is just "flamebaiting trash" you put it, that should be reported as "Lame".

The thing is, this is a community, and everybody gets a say. So, what you might find to be trash and not want on here, another might like and want to see featured on the site. Thus, the reason "Lame" doesn't fail an article, but merely "penalizes" it in a manner that it needs more votes of approval.

Sorry, but just because you don't personally like it, does not mean it does not belong here if others do want it on here. It's up to the community as a whole to decide.

No disrespect, but this isn't News4FredEffinChopin, thus one person should not be allowed to decide what's good enough and what isn't. The rest of the community gets a say as well. If those that want it to be approved outnumber the ones that don't (and reported it as "Lame") then so be it.

I can understand frustrations with some things that get approved (ok, a lot of things). However, it's obviously something the community (or a majority) wants approved as it does get approved and becomes so hot.

When dealing with submissions on here one has to remember, that it isn't all about yourself. Sure, if you don't like something, it's more than acceptable to report it as "Lame". However, everybody else is a part of the community as well, and as such, they have a say too. Sometimes this means you'll be outnumbered in your opinion. It's just the nature of such a large community.

ClimateKaren5406d ago

Thanks for the self-righteous and sanctimonious response, but I'm going to have to call the majority of it out as pure bull.

"I think Alpha above mentioned that the "Lame" report is vague. There's a reason for that. That's to lump everything like "flamebait" "bad writing" "poor article" etc all into one, so that we don't have 100 different report types. If you feel a submission is just "flamebaiting trash" you put it, that should be reported as "Lame"."

It has also been mentioned above that "Lame" takes an awful lot of votes to get something removed. It's effectively ineffective. N4G is a fast-moving site, the hot news of the day is barely around a day, and once it's minute in the sun is over, it's buried and the only comments appearing on it are replies to replies. If it takes 5-10 people to approve a story and 30 "lame"s to get one removed, what would you say the likelihood is of lame stories being reported enough to have them removed before they're already parading on the front page starting another flame war? Yes, there is a way to report trash, but it is ineffective. Perhaps "abuse" of the system wouldn't be necessary if the system was efficiently designed, or wasn't a formula for flamebait.

"Sorry, but just because you don't personally like it, does not mean it does not belong here if others do want it on here. It's up to the community as a whole to decide.

"No disrespect, but this isn't News4FredEffinChopin, thus one person should not be allowed to decide what's good enough and what isn't. The rest of the community gets a say as well. If those that want it to be approved outnumber the ones that don't (and reported it as "Lame") then so be it."

First of all, if you're going to be a condescending prick, don't be disingenuous about it. You do mean offense, and that's fine. If you find me a spot where I said one person, let alone me, should decide what goes on here, and I'll call your vitriol justified. In the meantime, I'm talking about in issue where community members ARE voting to have something removed, but their reason doesn't seem to be as important as the ones that get anything done in a timely fashion. If a building was on fire would you criticize tenants who forcefully broke into the supply closet for a fire extinguisher because there was a bucket of water nearby that they could have used? As far as the "community as a whole" nonsense goes, we both know how many approvals it takes for an article to be shown. Not many at all, so when a flamebait article makes it through, it's not because it's what the community wants, it's what a few people let through.

In case you were born yesterday, this is the problem that most people have with flame bait stories, is that they're hard to make go away even when everybody hates them. Most of that reason is that they instigate, usually even before the body of a story even begins. The fact that they get action IS the problem, because they use the cheapest possible methods to do so, and in the process they keep news that isn't a fanboy slapfight buried all the time.

ClimateKaren5406d ago (Edited 5406d ago )

So just to clue you in, while this is N4G and not N4Fred, Fred happens to be a gamer that participates in the site and would like to see it improved. Fred is far from alone in his points of view on here too, so that kind of makes him part of the "G" in "N4G", doesn't it? Just look at the comments in here. Or better yet, open up one of the flame-baiting articles I mentioned, and tell me if nearly half the comments aren't N4G users (that aren't me) complaining about the quality of the story, and the fact that the same exact flamebait is on the front page every day. We don't like being overrun by fanboy sentiment. While I'm not guilty of mislabeling anything for the sake of preventing it from being displayed, I wholeheartedly support the action being done by anyone else. If you or anyone at the site has a problem with it, I should point out that the reason it's being done is that the site is not working effectively for its members, so they are just trying to make it work for them however they can.

Donnywho5406d ago

Yea most of the articles on here are top tens and just nonsense articles revolving around the hottest game or games out. COD vs BF is the latest cop out. Put COD or BF in the title, barf out your opinion, criticize a few groups of people and sign off on it- That's N4g... It has to start from the top, otherwise, what the fuck do we care?

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