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Gran Turismo 5 Selling Faster Than Halo 3?

The latest figures have released regarding the sales of Gran Turismo 5, a PlayStation 3 exclusive. They certainly paint a nice picture of how fast this game is selling. GT5 has seen 6.37 million copies moved in six weeks, according to Polyphony Digital's website.

So how does it stack up to the sales of heavy hitters on the Xbox 360, such as the highly rated, 10+ million strong Halo 3? Jeff Bell, the corporate vice president of Global Marketing for the Interactive Entertainment Business unit at the time, told Gamedaily in December 2007 that Halo 3 had reached over 5 million sales. This was in discussion of sales up to "week of November 18", so giving them the benefit of the doubt, this number had been achieved in 8 weeks after Halo 3's launch.

Halo 3 scored a 94 on Metacritic, Gran Turismo a full ten points lower (It got a lot of gruff for taking so long to release). Halo 3's advertisement campaign cost in excess of $40 million ($10 million went into the creation of the "Believe" ad....can you BELIEVE that? har har.), Gran Turismo 5 never had any indication that would suggest they spent as much or more.

However, there are plenty of other factors that cloud the comparison. The PS3 had a plenty higher userbase when GT5 launched than H3 at its launch (However, other than the heaviest of hitters like Reach, Call of Duty, and Gears 2, not many titles sell that much/fast, and even fewer at the same rate). There will always be the question of "Sold vs shipped" (Though somewhere deep in the blackened hearts of fanboys, they all know all of the big 3 report shipped, as that is SOLD to them). They're different genres.

What's important to take out of this is that, Gran Turismo 5 is holding its own despite critical response from reviewers, less advertisement, and being of the seemingly less popular (of today) genre. GT5 proves that exclusive software on the PlayStation 3 can sell big, perfectly capable of modestly competing with its HD counterpart.

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http://news.teamxbox.com/xb...

Decent Shop job: myself. It's too bad it got slaughtered in the down-scaling process.

[Important Note: Don't be the first person to claim I didn't mention Reach, because I do. Yes, Reach likely sold at a faster rate, at least going by the fact that it moved 3 million units in 24 hours O_O (Other than that, it's pretty tough to find a lot of officially announced info on more recent numbers - though it's safe to assume it's selling well). Now READ my post. Thank you.]

teething5540d ago

I wonder how much Sony/GT has spent sponsoring real race cars/races over the years. You see the logo all the time, and for many years. Can't be cheap.

darthv725540d ago

not a bad read but you should dig a little deeper. You should show how the different versions of GT compared on the different platforms. From what I have seen it has been a mixed bag of sales. up down up down.

GT3 has roughly 15mil sold where as GT1 and 4 are close to each other at 11mil (+/-). GT2 is the only one lower at close to 10mil.

When you look at halo sales. It has increased each release in the main series. Halo 1 close to 6.5mil. Halo 2 nearly 8.5mil and halo 3 close to 12mil. Then you have Reach that isnt part of the main series coming in close to 8mil and ODST just under 6mil.

I think its great that titles like these are able to generate such sales. GT5 is deserved of its sales and will continue to gain on the others. Something else to think about. The used market is significantly bigger now than it was. These numbers of what was sold should be counted as the "original owners". I will admit that while I did buy Halo 2 and 3 new. I did not for Halo 1 or GT1 and 3.

I will bet the GT and halo games have changed hands equal to the amount they have originally sold. That would be an interesting statistic to read.

Grenadan5540d ago

You do realize those GT were shipped numbers

SnakeMustDie5539d ago (Edited 5539d ago )

Every sales number released are shipped. Those Halo numbers are also shipped. The reasons why GT5 shipped as many because of the demand of the game. If there is more demand for the game, Sony will supply. That is the basis of the economy.

Marquis_de_Sade5539d ago (Edited 5539d ago )

Install base of the 360 in September 2007?

Install base of the PS3 in November 2010?

Do you have the actual numbers for both out of interest?

Venatus-Deus5539d ago

Amount of other Games available on the 360 in September 2007?

Amount of other Games available on PS3 in November 2010?

Not that I really care, but if install base has an effect then surely so does the amount of other games available for people to buy.

Did Halo 3 have less competition?

The_Ultimate_Guy5539d ago (Edited 5539d ago )

" Gran Turismo a full ten points lower (It got a lot of gruff for taking so long to release)."

It got a lot of "gruff" because it was an incomplete game. Not because of it's length of development.

Also back in 2007, there were a lot less 360's in the market than there were in 2010. I am pretty sure the market being bigger now than back in 2007 has something to do with it.

"What's important to take out of this is that, Gran Turismo 5 is holding its own despite critical response from reviewers, less advertisement, and being of the seemingly less popular (of today) genre."

There was a TON of advertising. At least here in Canada. It was on on between every show. Not sure where you are coming off with that. Also note the GT5 is ONLY selling in Europe where many of the car enthusiasts reside while sales in NA are stagnant.

"GT5 proves that exclusive software on the PlayStation 3 can sell big, perfectly capable of modestly competing with its HD counterpart."

Also note that the GT franchise has a long time following since it's first release of GT1 back on the PS1 in 1997 where as the Halo franchise started in 2001 on the xbox that only sold about 24 million consoles. So where GT5 had already had a large franchise following for the last 14 years and on a console that had over 100 million units sold, the Halo franchise is only 11 years old, 1/4 of the IP's in the market compared to the GT franchise and in a highly diluted market.

Lets let sales speak for themselves. When GT5 hits 10+ million then lets start comparing sales. As for PS3 exclusives selling on the PS3....there are ONLY 2 franchises that have great sales, MGS4 and GT5 which coincidently are both franchise with a long history dating back to the PS1.

ZombieAssassin5538d ago (Edited 5538d ago )

"As for PS3 exclusives selling on the PS3....there are ONLY 2 franchises that have great sales,"

...you know someone is gonna come along and start saying how there are only two exclusive franchises that sell real good on 360 also right one of them being the killer app for the previous console...

Besides what is considered selling well? Over 4 mil? over 5?

If it's 4 then there are al ot of ps3 exclusives that have done that or very close to it, over 5 mil not so much. GoW3/Uc2/LBP/RFOM/UcDF all have sold between 3.5-4.5 mil which i believe most would consider good especially when you take into account alot of multiplat games don't even do that selling on 2 platforms.

Not like you can play sales though.

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Itveds9h ago

re-evaluating exclusivity 💀

PS players will need to go back to pretending to dislike Xbox games

pwnmaster30009h ago(Edited 9h ago)

Or meaning since it’s doing so good they might just do everything day 1.

They didnt say re-evaluating their multiplatform approach.
🤣🤣🤣 Xbox is so dead. I know you scared🤣🫵ӿ 97;

9h ago
Eonjay5h ago

Even when the topic is strictly Xbox he can't stop talking about PlayStation. Xbox has basically become the hate of PlayStation... and not much else.

pwnmaster30009h ago

Hurt over video games 🤣🤣

Lmao we all grew and got jobs but apparently you stayed home broke 🤣🤣.
Man I love loyal dogs like you. MS kicked Spit and slapped you around but you still come back on all 4s.

Good little boy 🤣🤣

8h ago
GhostScholar7h ago

My only question is what games are PlayStation gamers gonna play now? They don’t really come out with new games anymore. I’m looking forward to wolverine, but after that then what?

-Foxtrot8h ago

Lmao

There’s no way after everything it’s going back, the damage is done

What you are seeing now is the new management telling what the core fanbase (aka…you) want to hear so they are pumped full of hope and are more likely to invest in the next Xbox console

When Phil took over after the awful Xbox One reveal he did the same thing, he told people what they wanted to hear for damage control.

It’s crazy people are getting suckered into this again.

GhostScholar7h ago

I mean I always buy both systems, so none of this affects me.

darthv7256m ago

FWIW..... wasn't the new management speaking to the other staff.... not so much us (regular folk)?

CrashMania8h ago

And you'll now go back to again thinking exclusives suddenly matter, that multiplatform is no longer the future, or that revenue from multiplatforms doesn't matter, like all you flop flopping xbox grifters lol.

The whole post just sounds like the previous phil corpo slop talk to me, whole thing reads like a nothing burger lol.

Jin_Sakai7h ago

“re-evaluating exclusivity”

She also said this.

“The model that got us here won’t be the one that takes us forward.”

Profchaos4h ago

I don't know if they have a model anymore it's flipped so many times since the xbox one reveal

TriniOutsider6h ago

It must be miserable being someone like you.

Aloymetal6h ago

There's a bunch just like him but that's what happens when some rely on dreams, hope and wishful thinking. lol

isarai_lee6h ago

"pretending"? Bro gears hasnt broke 1mil on ps5, and starfield hasn't passed 200k, Hellblade 2 was even stated to be a financial disappointment in sales on its own console, let alone ps5. Im not saying people don't like them, but they certainly aren't setting the community on fire, Forza may be different tho

Neonridr5h ago

Forza broke 5 million on PlayStation. So yes. And there's a new one coming soon.

Aloymetal6h ago

Xbawx is ''re-evaluating exclusivity''... Translation: After throwing all sort of crap to the wall to see if something sticks but clearly nothing worked, we, including our lord ''in charge'' Phil came to the conclusion that exclusives indeed do matter so please forget if we ever said otherwise.
Yup, I feel it in my gut, next gen belongs to xbox, PS6 is cooked...

6h ago
1Victor5h ago

Someone can’t sleep after those 5 million forza games PURCHASED by PlayStation owners🤣 🧌 💥

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Extermin8or3_3h ago

Well with the decreased price of gamespass even with cod off it there is no way it is profitable given the cost of making their 1st party games (not if you actually include that cost in gamespass costs which they typically dont but should) they will just make a loss without the sales on

Xx_Pistol_xX1h ago

They don't hate the games. They hate the box.

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Outside_ofthe_Box9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster30008h ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7239m ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

Itveds8h ago

Gonna be a funny world where Xbox games are exclusive and Sony games are not lol

Outside_ofthe_Box7h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Funny world where Sony is pro consumer and Xbox is not? At least according to what you loyalists have been saying all this time 🤭

VenomUK6h ago

@itveds For how many years have you been doing this sad stuff? For how many years have you been creating fake accounts to troll? For how many years have you always been cl vnn

fr0sty4h ago

Pathetic incels with nothing better to do than argue over a box... Because they don't have any good games to play on theirs, obviously. If your precious box is so special, why don't you shut the fuck up and go play it?

CrashMania8h ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

Neonridr5h ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box2h ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Pyrofire953h ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7253m ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

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maximusprime_8h ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

8h ago
BeHunted6h ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

6h ago
CrashMania4h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

shadowT8h ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers7h ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

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92nar1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

Is it April fools day again?

The game is dead.

EDIT: the numbers are fudged. “digital sales on Nintendo and Xbox weren’t included in the data”

italiangamer1d 11h ago

🖕🖕🖕 29313;🤡🤡

92nar1d 9h ago

How’s concord 2, sorry I mean marathon doing? 🤣🤣

Neonridr15h ago

well it's not on Switch / Switch 2.. so their number would be zero.

The game had a decent launch however the userbase numbers are dwindling on Steam.

1Victor15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

“ Is it April fools day again?

The game is dead.

EDIT: the numbers are fudged. “digital sales on Nintendo and Xbox weren’t included in the data”

Does it hurt you to hear a SONY game was BEST selling ?
You gotta let go of those OBCURED feelings 🤷🏿

Neonridr15h ago

I mean the only reason MLB was the best selling title was because it was multi-platform. Likewise with Marathon. Will ring true for MS games. Only Nintendo titles are truly flexing their muscles when they chart as they are only to be found there.

S2Killinit4h ago

So that means we are going to act like it wasn’t best selling?

ChunkyMonk3h ago

It's kinda funny how this Obscure guy lives rent-free in your head. lol

Does Phil also live there?

1Victor2h ago

It's kinda funny how this Obscure guy lives rent-free in your head. lol

Does Phil also live there?
I’m sorry did you wrote something smart ?
Or are you trying to to be funny because you failed at both
Now kid run to mommy legs the grown ups are talking.
Don’t bother writing anything I will not respond to a bratty child like you

Outside_ofthe_Box14h ago

Can't wait to see how this is spun negatively. 😜

-Foxtrot8h ago

Yeah sure, yet the player count is no where near what they want for a AAA game with so much money behind it

Why people are trying to spin this game like it’s done overly amazing is baffling to me.

It won’t even be a blip on peoples radars by the end of the year .

S2Killinit4h ago

I really doubt that. I see it getting more and more traction.

ChunkyMonk3h ago

You must me typically wrong cuz those Steam chart numbers (AKA where the game sold the MOST) is less than what Hunt has, and Hunt didn't cost $500 million to make lol

Soy5h ago

So........doing better than most expected, but not enough to make back what it cost.

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