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Infamous Second Son: Its Ugly Side

Recently I got into a debate (that's all I seem to do) on here about the visuals for Infamous: Second Son. In my opinion, whilst the game certainly looks impressive most of the time, it is not the best looking next-gen game I have played.

If anything, I believe that award should go to Killzone: Shadow Fall and some of Battlefield 4's cinematic set pieces in its campaign were a lot more jaw-dropping. So in making my point, I made reference to a picture that I also mentioned in our review for the game. Immediately afterwards, all sorts of accusations were made at me, stating that I was a fanboy and I deliberately picked a picture that was obviously just a rare bug in order to further some sort of agenda.

Well, in order to state my case, the first thing I did when I finished work was go home and find this footage and then check again myself to see whether or not this was some rare bug I encountered.

Bear in mind, that I got a platinum for this game in less than 2 days and I thought, after reading all the replies to my post, that maybe it was just a rare occurrence and that surely someone would have brought up the issue if this problem did exist. I was, as I mentioned in that thread, fully prepared to apologise if I couldn't that footage or prove my point.

Not only did I manage to find the old footage, which I must have hit the share button after encountering the problem during my initial playthrough, in the space of a couple of minutes, I managed to encounter the same thing again.

So for all you guys accusing me of trolling, please tell me if I made the following pictures up:

http://i.imgur.com/4U4aMg2....

http://i.imgur.com/rRInbr0....

http://i.imgur.com/ZubcWn3....

I also made a video showing off footage of this happening. I'm commentating over the video and I re-recorded some extra footage yesterday. Bear in mind that I am speaking quite fast for some reason and I recorded the audio on my phone so the quality is terrible.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

What I'm doing in the video is going through the comments in the topic that sparked the 'beef' here:

http://n4g.com/news/1492147...

I was speaking quite fast so let me know if you didn't understand what I was saying.

*WARNING- if you haven't completed the game, this video contains spoilers in terms of the powers I use and mention of certain stuff. Also it contains some very mild NSFW language.

So tell me, what's going on here? Do you agree this bit is ugly? Its the main building in the game! Why is it so messed up?

maniacmayhem4410d ago

Interesting, maybe because it's an open world sandbox type of game that not everything will be as pretty as advertised by the dev.

Of course as the devs become more familiar with the consoles and spend more time in development these types of problems SHOULD disappear...hopefully.

It's shame though that you got seriously attacked in that article for pointing out what you experienced and even wrongly accused of trolling. That term gets thrown around on this site so much that people forget it's true definition.

Yes, this building shouldn't and doesn't represent the whole game but it is in there as you pointed out. And just because of this you should have been attacked as such by certain members of the community.

Gazondaily4410d ago

Thanks mate. Yeah I was expecting some heat but not the kind I expected. But genuinely I didn't mean to start anything. At least now people will know that I didn't pick some rare bug in the game.

I'm not even saying the game looks terrible; for the most part it looks great but I wasn't all that impressed by it judging by the hype for it. GTA 5 wows me to this day, InFamous Second Son doesn't. I don't get why people think its all that but fair play, each to their own. I'm not attacking anyone for their view though.

GarrusVakarian4410d ago (Edited 4410d ago )

That has got to be a texture glitch dude, seriously. I played the game through twice and that building never looked that damn ugly! Wow....it looks like mud, lol.

Buildings do lose quality the further away they are, as expected in open world games with long draw distances, but never to that extent in my playthrough.

Did you try re-installing it? Did you notice it multiple times?

Edit: Nice music in the vid man! ;)

" Has anyone tried standing on one of the buildings I'm standing on and seen what it looks like?"

I'm not sure, i'll have a look through my screenshots of the game tomorrow and see if i have any from the same distance. I don't think i took a pic of that building though :/

Gazondaily4410d ago

"Did you try re-installing it? Did you notice it multiple times?"

I didn't re-install it no. I played it in my good playthrough and the evil playthrough and had the same stuff happen consistently during the game.

And then yesterday, after not playing the game for a few days I booted up to take a video to prove my point and bam...that stuff happened.

When I first played it I was like WTF?! Expecting it to load...then I'd be flying around the game and kept noticing that building and thinking wtf. Its fine when you get closer but I'm not even that far when that it goes all fugly on me.

You never know, it could just be my copy of the game. Has anyone tried standing on one of the buildings I'm standing on and seen what it looks like?

BitbyDeath4410d ago

Sounds like either your PS4 is broken or your copy of the game has got scratches or something.

Do any of your other games have that issue?

Gazondaily4410d ago

@BitbyDeath

Nah I haven't had this in other games. I'm gonna try the new Assassin's Creed to see if I get this in that as well.

REALLY hoping my PS4 isn't bugged cause I really cba to go through the hassle of returning it -_-'

BitbyDeath4410d ago

I hope not as well, but honestly have never seen that issue before.

thorstein4410d ago

Just wondering if you have the patches that have been released stateside and elsewhere.

And for that matter, do you have any of the patches?

That said, and I hope you are being honest here (and certainly there are people who would love to make one systems games look worse just because they want to) are you running it without the patches?

Second, and again, I hope the best for you, but did you get it through digital download or retail. Mine is retail and I can promise you, it sure doesn't look like that.

Gazondaily4410d ago (Edited 4410d ago )

@thorstein

"That said, and I hope you are being honest here (and certainly there are people who would love to make one systems games look worse just because they want to)"

Yeah I don't do that B.S. I wouldn't waste my time making vids and getting embroiled in arguments where I'm in the minority to further an agenda. I still look at the fake negative reviews Titanfall got on Metacritic and Amazon etc and genuinely wonder what is wrong with people, to go into that much effort to do crap like that.

"are you running it without the patches"

Nope. My patches auto-download so the latest patches are installed no doubt.

"Second, and again, I hope the best for you, but did you get it through digital download or retail. Mine is retail and I can promise you, it sure doesn't look like that."

Cheers mate. Mine's retail. I'm giving the game away anyway but its the retail copy not digital.

Cheers for PM'ing me about the update.

BTW, it should be noted that I got grilled by haters on here when I complained that my first death in Infamous was a result of the battery in my controller running out and the game not even bothering to pause itself.

So I got spammed with disagrees and people saying that I was chatting BS. But its true and look at the latest patch note:

***If your controller runs out of batteries in the middle of gameplay, your game will pause. Our art director pulled a hamstring scrambling to get his second controller mid-boss-battle, so we needed to fix this.***

http://blog.eu.playstation....

So I'm not trying anything on. These are legit concerns.

Riderz13374409d ago

GTA 5 wows you but inFAMOUS doesn't, graphically?

K.

NewMonday4409d ago

textures change depending on distance

it appears you stood at a spot close to the switch and tilted the camera to give a close up, a bit nit-picky.

ShinMaster4409d ago

Like 'NewMonday' above said.
Texture resolution and details change based on distance.

You're using L2 to aim. And aiming in Infamous is has a lot of zoom, more so than in other games. So that building/structure is pretty far.

Here:
http://i.imgur.com/9qblRPp....

Gazondaily4409d ago (Edited 4409d ago )

@riderz

"GTA 5 wows you but inFAMOUS doesn't, graphically?"

Yes. GTA wows me in a different way, not through raw texture fidelity but through its design. I'm gonna do an article comparing the two, hopefully over easter.

@newmonday

"it appears you stood at a spot close to the switch and tilted the camera to give a close up, a bit nit-picky."

Watch the video

@ShinMaster

"You're using L2 to aim. And aiming in Infamous is has a lot of zoom, more so than in other games. So that building/structure is pretty far. "

It's not far at all. In fact, if you watch the video I've linked you'll see that I'm not even zooming many a time.

Bro, that building is what 5-10 seconds away? There aren't even that many buildings in between.

Also, funnily enough, in your screenshot, even though the pic looks like it was taken with a bar of soap lol, it appears that the textures of the concrete platforms haven't even loaded yet. I've highlighted it here:

http://i.imgur.com/DgdT73E....

Roger2Doger4409d ago

The game still looks great but what I think is very interesting, and even laughable, is how some still insist of showing bullshots of the game that isn't actual gameplay.

SuperBlur4409d ago

Yes GTA 5 should wow anyone . its amazing what they pulled off with these old specs :)

hay4409d ago

It's called level of detail, textures and models vary with fidelity and are used at certain distances. With player getting closer it loads higher quality, but with certain angles and zoom-ins it might not perform this trick well enough showing lower quality assets on screen.

With such solid draw distance, lighting job, physics, partial destruction and particle effects in this game one has to remember the game is designed to handle most intense action without frame drop below 30 at any time.

It's XXIst century, figured out people would do a homework on this technology thingamajig someday.

GutZ314408d ago

I have beaten the game, and never seen anything like this on my play through.
My only issue with the game was a one time fall through of the map, and that didn't ruin or break the game.
I must ask, were you playing from a disk copy?
My play through was downloaded to my hard drive, as I bought it through PSN.

Raf1k14408d ago (Edited 4408d ago )

I've encountered this a number of times. Not a lot mind you so I'm happy to back you up.

Pretty much all game use higher poly models with higher res textures for objects that are closer and low poly, low res for objects far away.

It's seems to me that it's simply a case of the game not loading the better objects in time as you can fly around the city pretty quickly with certain powers.

I'm fairly certain of this since the better objects have always been loaded after some seconds much like what we experience with UE3 based games.

edit: I might try and get this to happen on my copy which should help your case. When I get spare time I'll try whizzing around the city and see if I spot it happening.

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maniacmayhem4410d ago

"And just because of this you should have been attacked as such by certain members of the community."

I meant to say "should NOT have been", I'm sure you got the point though.

But Septic, how is the game in your opinion. I loved Infamous one and two even though I feel one is the best.

Gazondaily4410d ago

AH yeah I got what you meant lol (I didn't even notice the mistake lol).

To be honest, I wasn't that impressed. I REALLY REALLY loved the powers in the game. I love the fact that you can traverse huge distances with ease in it.

But the game world feels so hollow. I expected them to flesh it out. Side missions were boring and not even side missions. Spray graffiti, take out cameras and DUP vans? What?

Campaign was way too short. The characters were not fleshed out AT ALL. The whole thing was very average for my liking.

My review for gameondaily is more detailed:

http://www.gameondaily.com/...

If you liked Infamous 1 and 2 then you can't go wrong with this one. I would strongly recommend renting it out though. Apart from booting it up to take some screenshots to do my review, its gathering dust here. I'm gonna do a giveaway anyway for the game.

maniacmayhem4410d ago

Interesting, I heard other people say the same thing, that it is way too short.

That seems to be the main theme with all these fist wave of games specifically made for the new consoles. Is that they are way too short, and lack content and material.

I posted this before but I always wanted Infamous to go into some real comic book like territory where the main character meets other people with powers and even fights super villains with unique powers of their own.

If and when I get a PS4 I will definitely check out SS. I'm sure Third Son will be more of a polish experienced with much more substance, because there's no doubt they got the flash right.

SuperDan-Dare4410d ago

Well. That looks like some concrete evidence if I ever saw it.

Gazondaily4410d ago

Ah Dan...

http://community.us.playsta...

But yeah, I'm just defending myself against all the people branding me a troll. That wasn't my intention. The fact that the main building in the game can look that bad is simply not good enough in my opinion, especially when you're doling out all sorts of praise for the game's visuals.

For me, the game world is sterile and bland but complimented by mostly brilliant lighting, textures and particle effects. That's my opinion and that kinda stuff which I stated in the original topic holds true from the video I put up.

It is the concrete textures in the game (the main antagonist's power) that looks shoddy but you'll also see some poor last gen textures. Yes its an open world game but still, its also a next-gen game. So no real excuse imo.

randomass1714409d ago

Bah, not trolling at all. You observed something in the game and you pointed it out. I LOVE the InFamous series and I don't fault you for that. Plus those screens are sure fire proof. People calling you a troll need ot chill.

Christopher4409d ago (Edited 4409d ago )

***It is the concrete textures in the game (the main antagonist's power) that looks shoddy but you'll also see some poor last gen textures.***

You mean _you_ see them. You see, you need to make sure you understand that this issue is yours. In my whole playthrough, I never encountered textures like this.

It's phrasing of statements like this that make us think that you think this is the norm. It's not. You need to realize that you need to phrase them specific to yourself, not the public in general. Otherwise, you will continue to get disagrees and called out when you make it look like other people in general have encountered these issues.

Your issue is the first I've seen of it. And I've seen plenty of issues regarding the game.

Meep4410d ago (Edited 4410d ago )

Damn that looks hideous.. Anyways, the game looks great from what I've seen (besides what you have posted). Question to everybody who has the game. How is the LOD if your far away? As in, if you look at a building far away, does it still look good?
Also I'm interested to see if anybody else has a similar picture of the same area.

Beastforlifenoob4410d ago

I do have the game, the textures and stuff look muddy and ugly as a**. But when you are relatively close to something (maybe within 300m), the graphical quality is AMAZING... It's rare that you notice these things when playing. Other than that highly recommend it for anyone with a PS4.

randomass1714410d ago

Yuck! Well, it's not like a developer can make anything 100% perfect by launch. The rest of the game looks really crisp, so seeing something like that has me thinking about what the developers were up to when they were making the game.

DragonKnight4410d ago

That is one ugly building for sure. I personally have never encountered such an issue.

I think the hate you're getting stems more from the fact that Infamous has been in competition with Titanfall for some weird reason, and so many will not tolerate any dissenting opinions on the game because it has to be better than Titanfall in every way even though the two are completely different games.

Part of that problem DEFINITELY comes from the gaming media who incessantly compare the games, and part comes from the gaming audience at large who continue that B.S.

Infamous has some beautiful effects, but in all honesty I didn't notice too much of a difference between it and Infamous 2 over all. Now that's not necessarily because it's NOT better looking, it more has to do with the fact that I don't look for things like that. When something was truly beautiful, like the Neon or Video effects, then that really stood out. That doesn't mean it will be perfect for everyone.

Infamous SS is a great game, but it isn't perfect. It's shorter than the other 2 Infamous games, less varied, and leaves you feeling like it wasn't enough of an experience in the end. At least in my opinion. People need to understand that Infamous is not competing with any other game because there are no other games of its kind on current gen consoles. So if someone criticizes it, they aren't necessarily doing so because of another game.

Gazondaily4410d ago

Thanks man and sick post.

I agree with you completely.

The whole TF v Infamous thing is stupid. I guess the fact that the criticism was coming from me just acted as a catalyst for the dissenting comments but yeah, its silly. I wasn't really impressed with the game although I did have lofty expectations from it as I got swept up in the hype.

DragonKnight4410d ago

It's the same thing with Infamous. I loved the first two games and thought SS could be just as good, but it really isn't. Don't get me wrong, it's a great game, but it really doesn't compare to the other two games, ESPECIALLY Infamous 1.

Those games may not have the same graphics of SS, but they make up for it everywhere else.

randomass1714409d ago

^"Part of that problem DEFINITELY comes from the gaming media who incessantly compare the games, and part comes from the gaming audience at large who continue that B.S."

This is very annoying. Why even compare games like that? They're not even in the same genre! You might as well compare Mario to Halo. :/

iceman064409d ago

To proliferate the console wars and insure that hits will keep coming to their site! Then, the fan-kiddies get to scream and yell in the forums and feel justified in their opinions. Sad, but true.

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