All Channels
Popular
Insert Thought Provoking Quote Here

DragonKnight

Contributor
CRank: 9Score: 212030

Gamer Culture: A Subject As Varied As Gamers Themselves

I'm not going to beat around the bush, this blog is sort of a response blog to the "No more Gamergate articles on N4G" blog posted by Admin Christopher, which you can read here.

http://n4g.com/user/blogpos...

I'm not going to go in-depth about the blog so here's the gist of it. Gamergate articles aren't going to be allowed because some have the opinion that it's not about games anymore.

Here's the thing, Gamergate has never specifically been about games. It's always been about gaming culture. When you go to the About section of this site, you'll see the following.

"N4G is a social game news site that is part of the NewsBoiler network."

A social game news site. That in and of itself can mean a lot of things. It could, like Chris has said, strictly mean news about video games; or it could also mean any news relating to gaming at all. I actually have evidence to back the second interpretation up in the form of a screen cap.

http://imgur.com/grriaoF

That is a screenshot of the submission page for News on N4G. Notice the Channels section and notice the selected channel "Culture/Offbeat"

What does this say? Well this says that N4G has provided a channel for members to submit news about gaming culture or other offbeat/non-specific news that is not directly tied to a game/games, developers, announcements, etc...

Why is this important? Well it goes back to Chris' blog. Gamergate is definitely not about a game, it's not about game announcements, it's not about shows like E3, but it IS about gaming culture.

Think what you want about Gamergate as a whole, but the movement will always say that it's about ridding gaming media of corruption/nepotism/cronyism, and ridding game development of ideologies and agendas pushed for via shaming tactics and other methods of coercion.

What is gaming culture? Tough to really define of course, but in my opinion gaming culture is anything that gamers and the gaming demographic would be interested in as it relates to the development, sales, and enjoyment of video games. It would then stand to reason that if news about a gaming journalist, especially a veteran who works for a well-known site, commits unethical acts, gamers would want to know about it.

Why would gamers want to know about it? I'm glad you asked.

It has become increasingly well-known, and even documented, that reviewers hold a lot of power in the gaming industry. They will not admit it, and they will emphatically claim that their jobs are difficult ones where they are underpaid, harassed, and don't have any real sway. Then you read a story like this...

http://n4g.com/news/1656061...

"Uncharted 4 dev lost thousands of dollars..."

That story tells of a Naughty Dog developer who, due to what appears to be an unfavourable metacritic average, lost out on substantial bonus money. This is a common problem in game development. Publishers create clauses in contracts relating specifically to metacritic averages dictating whether or not developers will receive a bonus for their work. Think of the kind of power reviewers have over developers in that sense. Metacritic merely averages a number of reviews together, the actual scores these reviewers give are what count.

What kind of faith would you have in a reviewer who is in a relationship with a developer and is in a position to tip the bonus scales in said developers favour? How about the opposite, where the reviewer detests a certain developer and tips the scales towards no bonus? Do you think these relationships will be willingly pointed out by all involved? PC Gamer has proven that that won't happen until movements like Gamergate force it to happen.

News broken specifically under the banner, and for the sake of, Gamergate has revealed a lot of information about how gaming journalism operates behind the scenes. There is nothing to suggest that this news couldn't be revealed without Gamergate, but there is a lot to suggest that Gamergate expedites this kind of information becoming available to the general public.

As gamers that visit gaming news sites, do you or do you not want to know if you can trust the words of developers and the gaming media that's supposed to cover them?

What I do agree with when it comes to Gamergate news and Chris' blog is not allowing ridiculous stories like where some pseudo-developer is sleeping tonight, or the proceedings of a personal court case. That has nothing to do with gaming. A developer's personal life doesn't belong on gaming news sites unless it is specifically referencing some game they are making.

What I can't agree with, for whatever that's worth (nothing), is the idea that a site claiming to be a social site about gaming news, that has a channel labeled "Culture/Offbeat" won't allow articles that discuss aspects of gaming culture. Information that gamers would want to know about.

Gaming culture encompasses vast areas and is anything from the release of action figures, to video game related cosplay, to fan projects, and yes news about the people who are supposed to be reporting about the industry and culture in good faith. It's a nearly impossible task to assign some arbitrary definition of what is and is not legitimate gaming news, and I don't think it's a task anyone should attempt to undertake.

This isn't me trying to undermine the very valid observations and points made in the blog I'm responding to, this is me trying to talk about how gaming culture is important, and news about gaming culture is just as important as whining about early access and gamers being even more entitled today than they were yesterday.

And that folks is my ¢.02

(Unrelated aside: Did any of you notice that the word gamers is not recognized by spellchecker as a word? How offensive)

cl19834194d ago (Edited 4194d ago )

Well you've not comprehended the information in the blog, the key part is "Rarely do these topics actually have anything to do with video games but to do with the people who battle a war of opinions that stretches beyond video game news and into the arena of social culture on the Internet."

So gamergate pieces can be submitted, but it actually needs to be about gaming.

Dark_Overlord4194d ago

I have to disagree, when it comes to light that certain sites have close ties with certain developers and are giving extremely favourable reviews, there are a great deal of us who would like to know as it shows those sites should not be trusted fully, as they are not being honest.

DragonKnight4194d ago (Edited 4194d ago )

I've not comprehended the information in the blog eh? Hmmmm. Well cl1983, if I didn't comprehend the information in the blog, I guess I wouldn't have said the following...

"Here's the thing, Gamergate has never specifically been about games."

And...

"What I do agree with when it comes to Gamergate news and Chris' blog is not allowing ridiculous stories like where some pseudo-developer is sleeping tonight, or the proceedings of a personal court case. That has nothing to do with gaming. A developer's personal life doesn't belong on gaming news sites unless it is specifically referencing some game they are making."

Except I did, so I guess I've comprehended the blog pretty well. There has already been an article that was failed that was of interest to gamers about a reviewer who has a relationship with a staff member of a large publisher, a reviewer who has reviewed games from said publisher. It was failed because it wasn't about a game, it was about a reviewer. But, reviews of games are allowed on this site. That reviewer's work on the games of said publisher are now all tainted. That is information relevant to GAMES, and to GAMERS. But it was failed.

So you tell me that Gamergate articles that aren't about opinions are the only articles that won't be allowed. Well, there's an article not about an opinion but about a reviewer and his work on reviewing games that was failed.

Care to explain how information relevant to gamer culture is not allowed despite there being a "culture/offbeat" channel?

ginganinja4194d ago

"a reviewer who has reviewed games from said publisher."
If you're referring to the PCG/Ubi thing, where is the review ? Oh, right, there wasn't one because as stated in the note on PCgamer, everyone involved had already taken the relevant precautions.
So, no, all his reviews aren't 'tainted' because no-one has produced any evidence that the relationship has had any effect on his output.

In other words, you're arguing that we should have articles published on here which have little relation to the truth and only encourage ill feeling where there's no reason to be any.

DragonKnight4194d ago

"Oh, right, there wasn't one because as stated in the note on PCgamer, everyone involved had already taken the relevant precautions."

Right, PC Gamer would take the time to address a non-existent issue eh? Wow, that's some fantastic logic ginganinja.

"In other words, you're arguing that we should have articles published on here which have little relation to the truth and only encourage ill feeling where there's no reason to be any."

Am I? That's funny, I thought I was arguing for the allowance of information relevant to gamers and gamer culture to be posted on the site. But wow, I didn't know that discussing things like a reviewer having a relationship with a staff member of a publisher was in actuality just trying to allow lies to be spread. Silly me. I guess we should all just go back to letting Top 30 biggest boobs in games lists being approved. That's really important information for us gamers to know about.

ginganinja4194d ago

-The issue they addressed was the lack of disclosure on some articles he'd written. The actual relationship was public knowledge (heck, I live half way across the world, never worked in the industry, never met them and yet I knew over a year ago) and no-one has provided any evidence that any article he'd written was influenced by the relationship.

-But if that 'information' is nothing more than conjecture and out-right lies then you're bordering on defamation and libel.

Godmars2904194d ago

Yeah, the very point of using Orth as example is because it is the clearest of "over the line". An instance where if only he had more industry friends, then his name become connected to always online, how the issue could have been buried.

What we are arguing is the line between actual news and base mudslinging. The PC Gamer episode was on the line in many regards and effected the credibility of anything coming from that site. Though, as it turns out, how that has been resolved by general internet chatter has been seen to be begrudgingly in favor of ethical policies.

The only thing that's taken more damage to it's reputation, because of the Streisand effect, is N4G. On the very day new ethical policies were announced no less.

DragonKnight4194d ago

Ok, I definitely agree with you that if the information seems, at best, dubious then people are treading shaky legal grounds. BUT, that said, I still think that things like personal relationships between reviewers and developers/publishers, and lack of disclosure thereof is important information for gamers. I don't think I'm the only one that would want to know whose opinion I can and cannot take seriously about games as it relates to their relationships.

That's not to say that I'd want to see article after article about which gaming journalists are supporting which developer's Patreon accounts, but if said reviewer discusses said developer's games on their site then I would want to know that said reviewer is doing so with a clear bias, IF they happen to discuss it of course.

I can definitely agree that flooding this site with articles like "You'll never guess what reviewer just had coffee with what developer" would be as annoying as the stupid list articles, but flat out denying any article discussing potential nepotism/cronyism isn't something I agree with and I know I'm not the only one that thinks that those subjects are newsworthy subjects to gamers.

Godmars2904194d ago

@ginganinja:
The point is that outside public announcement of the relationship was made and then resolved. If it was further revealed that there had been a direct effect on how Ubisoft had been reported on , getting 10/10 reviews when every other site gave 3/10 for a title, while the entirety of PC Gamer's staff knew about it, then that would be another thing entirely.

+ Show (3) more repliesLast reply 4194d ago
Godmars2904194d ago (Edited 4194d ago )

When an issue regarding how games might be reported on or reviewed, how a title may have been negatively judged as a whole because of one scene or received undue praise because someone on a game site is roommates with the dev, how is that not news worthy in regards to gaming?

As I've noted elsewhere, if the Adam Orth tweet had happened under GG it would have been repressed and the X0 would have very likely launched with its original always online polices. Nevermind the other example of 40k compromised EA passwords that almost went unreported because of a reporter's relationship with someone who worked at EA.

DragonKnight4194d ago

Although I understand your point about the Orth situation, I can't entirely agree with it. Adam Orth only arrogantly confirmed information we would eventually know about come the reveal show for the Xbox One. The fervor would have still been there, only delayed until that day. Orth cost himself his own job with those actions. He could today still have his job and MS would have taken the full brunt of the hate regardless of him.

Concertoine4194d ago (Edited 4194d ago )

We all know that's not the case. As stated in the blog, it shouldn't have to be about gaming if it fits the (gaming) culture section. It's clear that you guys just doesn't want to fuel the GamerGate and anti-GG fire anymore. And i can understand that.

However, let me just say that in my personal opinion this is a debate that needs to happen, and doesn't deserve to be censored, especially when the site is designed to accept these kinds of articles.

SilentNegotiator4193d ago (Edited 4193d ago )

That's a preposterous standard to enforce.

Gaming culture is "about gaming" and the way that game news/reviews come to gamers is game culture. I really don't think there are many gamers NOT interested in the fact that game journalists are using collusion to keep facts from us or that some games are being hyped by people who are friends/lovers with the developers.

How was that big Kotaku article that basically triggered the whole gamergate thing NOT about gaming, when it was about a specific game developer achieving favor for a SPECIFIC GAME through multiple undisclosed relationships?

Why is there an industry and culture tag if stuff like that supposedly doesn't belong on N4G?
http://n4g.com/channel/indu...
http://n4g.com/channel/cult...

rainslacker4193d ago (Edited 4193d ago )

Silent brings up a good point. how many on here feel the same way as the mods who made this decision.

Why not put it up to the community to decide what they feel is gaming news, or if they want to see GG articles? I mean, I thought that was what the approval process was for, but I guess not.

Surely the mods could get a survey up on the front page to let all registered users vote on how they feel, instead of the mods deciding for them.

Two simple questions.

1. Is GG related to gaming?

2. Do you want to see GG articles on N4G?

I think asking the community directly what they want would have been a better approach than just decreeing some new controversial policy.

Edit:

I read Christopher's comment down below about how he is talking to the mods about it to decide if the policy needs some revision, and I am glad at least that they are not taking a hard line stance on it.

Godmars2904193d ago

"Why not put it up to the community to decide what they feel is gaming news, or if they want to see GG articles?"

Because a certain N4G contributor would flood submissions with with articles about how GG is only about harassment. How its over.

And, by past examples, these articles would be approved regardless of how many complaints they received.

rainslacker4192d ago

Be that as it may, if you leave the survey to registered users then it would keep fake voting out, and from what I've seen, most people on here haven't been falling for the whole "GG is about harassment" line.

In any case, those articles would be approved outside the survey, and I doubt it would have that much influence since a lot of people have already decided how they feel about it. The important thing now is for people to stay informed, which is why I feel that this kind of news should stay on N4G whether it's negative or positive.

The utter lack of collaboration with the community at large on the mods part is what really bugs me. I don't like others decided what is considered news and what isn't. I started coming to N4G to be able to get all my gaming news in mostly one place, and now they are censoring it. There are obvious things that aren't gaming news that make it on here on a daily basis(many Sony as a company articles for instance), but GG is gaming news, even if only in the most cursory of ways...although its much more important than Christopher has tried to explain.

+ Show (3) more repliesLast reply 4192d ago
Anthotis4194d ago Show
Dark_Overlord4194d ago

I agree with you completely DragonKnight :)

IMO what Christopher is doing is censorship plain and simple, as DragonKnight has shown there is a culture section that all GG articles would easily fall in to.

Roccetarius4194d ago (Edited 4194d ago )

Obviously it was only a matter of time before the truth came out. We've seen it before on N4G that articles have been removed, due to someone on the site not agreeing with it. Something i've also wondered about is people being buddies with certain higher ups on the site.

LightDiego4194d ago

Great points, the GamerGate movement it's also about to protect gaming of corrupt people who push their agenda and political views, trying to censor games. It's important to know about the corruption of gaming journalism and share it, that's about our hobby as well.

Show all comments (39)
70°

Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

Read Full Story >>
simulationdaily.com
Jin_Sakai75d ago (Edited 75d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio75d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing75d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9275d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit75d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing75d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9275d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

Show all comments (13)
40°

Games Done Quick is coming to Europe for the first time with 3 days of Gamescom speedruns

The charity event will be streamed live from Gamescom in August.

Read Full Story >>
videogameschronicle.com
50°

Report: Injustice 3 in Development at NetherRealm Studios

Thanks to the slip-up of an artist working on the title, we now have more evidence that a new Injustice game is in the works.