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DragonKnight

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Reading: A Friend You May Have Lost Touch With

Let me preface this blog saying that if you fit into the descriptions that I'm going to make in the blog, don't bother to comment because you're just wasting everyone's time. In fact, if you're one of those people that sees only what they want to see, then leave now. You won't enjoy the blog, no one will enjoy your comments, you'd be better served looking for something relevant to your tastes. Now that that's out of the way, let's begin.

So what's up with people either outright refusing to read, or seeing only what they want to see (regardless of its actual contextual presence) all over this site?

My last blog was about my opinion that I don't want games as art because it opens games up to the political agendas and social justice platforms that miss the point of what gaming was designed to do, and how it really does a disservice to gamers, game developers (who are constantly insulted for their design choices), and the industry at large.

Many people understood what I was trying to say. Many disagreed, which is fine, but they still understood. And then you had the people who completely missed the point entirely. People who made comments that either had nothing to do with what I was saying, but that they thought had some kind of connection (incredibly loose by the way) with the blog, or people saying some stuff that... well I'll forgo placing an adjective in the interest of not sounding insulting.

I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about. My blog was about games classed as an art form right? More than one person took the position that games are art because, and I'm simplifying the point to its base level here, you have to know how to draw to make games. Yep, that's right. Because some people take art classes which they use in developing games, games are immediately art.

Let me ask you all a question. Do you think that the mainstream media, or the entertainment world in general, classifies games as A)Computer entertainment, or B)An art form, and do you think that taking any art classes for game development is responsible for said classification?

Sound off about that in the comments as I move on to other examples.

Here's another example. The Playstation 4. There are people out there who continue to state, adamantly, that Sony removed Playstation 4 DRM at the last minute at E3 based on the negative reactions Microsoft received from gamers on their DRM.

This despite the fact that plenty of people have provided links to the contrary going back MONTHS before E3 2013. Those links don't matter, people will ignore them and continue saying Sony made a last minute decision like that.

Now, here's another question for you the reader, and please feel free to correct me about this if you think I'm mistaken. Isn't it not only a bad business decision, but also legally and logistically impossible to make that kind of massive decision at the very last minute based on nothing but twitter feedback, without the knowledge or consent of shareholders, and disregarding the possibly monumental cost involved in such a decision?

Please, continue to sound off about that as I once again move on to other examples.

The lack of desire, or the inability, to actually read and attempt to comprehend what has been written even goes so far as to be a problem with the articles on this site. Content contributors know that many here (and let's face it, all over the internet) have the attention span of a newt and will only read a title, MAYBE a description, for a story and base entire paragraphs of comments on that alone. This is why we see so many flamebait titles designed to spark controversy and misinformation. We've all seen it before, we've all made the "did no one actually read the article" comment.

Then there's reviews. I recently read Playstation Lifestyle's review of Final Fantasy XIII-3 in which the reviewer specifically states that he, prior to playing the game, was hyped up for it to release based on demos and trailers he was exposed to. When he played the game, he was very disappointed and gave it a low score. Rather than accepting that, people actually said "I think he went into the game expecting to hate it."

It was right in the review that he went into it hyped for this release yet because he gave the game a bad score, and because people didn't read the review, he was accused of going into the game hating it already.

Is it really so difficult to actually read what's being said? Is it so hard to comment based on the context of what is said and not what you want to be said or what you think is being said? I understand that the internet can be a difficult place to interpret nuance and emotion sometimes, but most of the time what is being said has a pretty clear intent behind it.

Maybe it's just the "instant gratification" phase people are always so fond of throwing out there as a reason for today's attention issues, maybe it's legitimate illiteracy, or maybe it's just trolling. I don't really have the answer to that. I really just wish people would stop having the mentality that shouts out "Screw you, this is the internet not school. I don't have to read anything."

Think of how much less confusion there would be if people took a few seconds to read something and actually catch that vital piece of context they were missing before. Wouldn't that make conversation so much easier even if it would still be console war bickering? I think so. What do you think?

Oh, and on an unrelated note to this blog, I have a suggestion for a few people. Certain individuals who know who they are love to wait until people, or possibly just me specifically, can no longer comment on something before they directly address them with their own comments. They do this in tandem with a PM block so that they can say their piece and have no reply from the person they are specifically talking to/about. You are free to judge me however you wish, I can't stop you from doing so, but it's my personal opinion that such a tactic is cowardly and reminiscent of a certain "Pop Culture Critic" who claims to be all for discussion yet prevents discussion every chance they get.

If you're going to target someone, whether it be myself or anyone else on the site, in your comments; at least be adult enough to allow for a reply if even only once. That's just my 2 cents on that.

Have a good day everyone, and I hope the irony of a blog like this isn't lost on those who actually did read through all of it and took the time to understand what's being said.

dedicatedtogamers4548d ago (Edited 4548d ago )

Well, I think you're dumb. BTW I only read the first sentence...

Truth be told, people see what they want to see. It's human nature and we do it all the time. Take the recent sales reports for X1 and PS4. Some point out that X1 sold more than PS4 in December. True, from a certain point of view. Others point out that 360 sold double what PS3 did in NA, so for PS4 to be neck-and-neck could be a sign of things to come. True, from a certain point of view. Others might point out that the first two months of sales really don't matter since these sales occurred during a holiday. Also true, from a certain point of view.

But then certain people come along and say "WHAT? Using facts to say something negative about the X1? WHAT? Using facts to express your opinion about the PS4's launch library?" and then a riot starts, simply because certain people get mad when facts are used to prove a point that they disagree with. The rational thing to do would be to bring up your own facts as a counter-point. This is a process known as "discussion". One user in particular, Septic, and I disagree with pretty much everything related to Xbox vs Playstation. And yet, he and I have completely civil discussions in the comment sections (well, I usually get a bit sarcastic, but that's not his fault).

But typically these certain other people don't actually have any facts, so they simply slander you.

DragonKnight4548d ago

Lol, Septic and I have the same kind of relationship. He's a cool guy, good to talk with even if we usually disagree about everything.

memots4548d ago

I clicked agree since you will get hammered with disagree anyway just because its you.

I think you make perfect sense and its annoying as hell all the sh*t that's gets made up just because people don't want or care to read or listen.

I think its mostly trolling, people always been attracted to negative things.

DragonKnight4548d ago

People get too caught up in the agree/disagree system. I know people track me just so they can follow me around and debubble/disagree with me, but the beautiful thing about it is that I really don't care.

Disagrees literally mean nothing. As you pointed out, people will disagree just because of the person you are.

But thank you for your support. I really appreciate it. :)

doolin_dalton4547d ago

It's easy to say that you don't care about the agree/disagree system as soon as you start receiving more disagrees than agrees.

It's no different than how EVERY pro-Xbox comment gets hammered with disagrees, even if the comment is 100% factual. There seems to be numerous members who track every pro-Xbox article just to disagree, just as you claim people follow you around to disagree with you.

thorstein4543d ago (Edited 4543d ago )

Okay. I am definitely experiencing this now. For instance, I mention (as a counter to an article's claim that there are no current gen (X1,PS4) stealth games by saying ACIV has stealth "to an extent."

The replies I get like "there is no stealth in ACIV lol..." show that the responder doesn't understand the phrase "to an extent."

I think what I am starting to understand is that I speak a strange (to some) Advanced English and some people speak Special English. The third group follows the conventions of regular English. This group can easily understand Advanced but they are such a small group...

Then, I was told something about generational hardware as if it were fact and doesn't have to rely on how the industry defines generations.

Great, great blog.

Maybe it should be part of the contributor/ poster test.

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coolbeans4548d ago

I suppose one reason the 'games not art' notion you stand behind doesn't fit for me just comes back to the history of growing up and seeing the idea of games being considered art as something scoffed at back in the day while still being tied with political/religious agendas, all the way back to Mortal Kombat and violence or even...Pokemon and demonology (or something far out like that). I just don't see how that's the key to make all that hubbub you're annoyed with go away.

And, overall, the sphere of influence of determining games are just fun or saying "they're only games" seems to be one of the most damning things to do to the medium. As regurgitated earlier, the gamer side seems to want to avoid the responsibility of what it means to be a maturing medium. Even worse for the corporate side, it's in that excuse of just how afraid much of the industry seems to be to step outside the comfort zone and tackle deep, possibly controversial issues, like when Nintendo said Imagination Is The Only Escape was a no-go for them or Konami running for the hills when Six Days In Fallujah started getting flack. It's why the idea of exploring the deepest themes possible in video games and having the stance of them "just being games" seem to butt heads with each other.

DragonKnight4548d ago

I don't understand where you perceive there is a fear to step outside of the comfort zone because of an avoidance of responsibility. It isn't about that. We've seen developers come out with controversial stuff without fear. I mean, think Rockstar for an example.

Darker stuff isn't tackled for the reasons I constantly talk about. You can't take games to the darker areas without people trying to forcibly end games altogether or tell us what is appropriate entertainment or not. You mentioned Mortal Kombat from the SNES days and Pokemon. I'm sure you were around for all of that so you can answer this question.

From what you remember back then, to how it is now, how similar in frequency are the complaints against games?

I grew up then too, and the Mortal Kombats and Pokemons (which wasn't even on the scale of MK in discussion) were the exceptions. Today, you can't make a game in your own style without someone launching a campaign against it. We can blame this on the internet, but that's a weak argument. It's precisely because people feel more confident in that they can complain about games in this way, that they can launch political or social justice campaigns against games that these complaints are more frequent.

I'm all for the exploration of expression, but when you classify games as an art form you then open games up to unwarranted interpretations that see developers being insulted for having the audacity to create a particular character in a particular design.

Maybe I am guilty of being naive enough to want games to have the freedom of expression without the responsibility of bearing the consequences of being classed as an art form, but I don't think that that's a bad desire to have. Expression shouldn't have the responsibility of coddling someone's feelings or matching their sensibilities. It should stand as it is for what it is, and those that create that form of expression shouldn't be insulted because someone else decided to see something in that expression that isn't there and wasn't intended.

Games as Art = Unwarranted criticism and insults based on subjective opinions rather than objective analysis.

Games as Entertainment = "Get over it, it's a game."

That's just the way I see it and it's based on the constant B.S. I've seen hurled at developers from people who see what they want to see rather than what's actually there. From people who have problems with non-issues and transfer their own sensibilities or mental states onto fictional worlds and characters.

-Gespenst-4547d ago

There's a difference between intelligently tackling dark stuff and ham-fistedly, immaturely tackling that same stuff though. Games in general haven't matured to the point that they can explore things with depth, sophistication, and subtlety. If "dark," "mature" games take a lot of flak, it's because of how much they fail at actually being "mature." A lot of games put up this veneer of "adults only," but the content is ultimately juvenile and puerile. I've seen this in too many games: The Bioshock series, Assassin's Creed, Heavy Rain, the Prototype series, and many more.

Games tackling darker stuff needn't get lambasted the way they do, but right now there's a very good reason for it. Most games really are the equivalent of some dumb blockbuster film. If you want the darker, more mature stuff to stop getting heat, you should encourage games to do some growing up. The dumb stuff can still co-exist with the non-dumb stuff, but you're only going to make yourself more and more angry if you hang back with the dumb games expecting far too much out of them. If games stay the way they are, you can expect them to forever be torn apart by critics.

coolbeans4547d ago (Edited 4547d ago )

The responsibility part isn't focused on developers, Knight. I'm focusing on us, the consumer. When looking at your rationale and the myriad of other users that have brought up something similar, it strikes me as an innate fear that by stepping outside of that shield of games being about 'pure entertainment' we have to accept the responsibilities of any other legitimate medium when placing works in a greater context.

"Darker stuff isn't tackled for the reasons I constantly talk about. You can't take games to the darker areas without people trying to forcibly end games altogether or tell us what is appropriate entertainment or not."

Okay, but with my previous examples I'm trying to show why going back to the "It's just games" mentality has been the thing that's kept the medium in the mire for so long.

"From what you remember back then, to how it is now, how similar in frequency are the complaints against games?"

I'd say the newer complaints are more frequent but tenfold less volatile. There may be a few bad apples in this SJW uprising that I've heard go as far as spamming dev's emails with revolting stuff for so-called "sexist material" in their game or other foul tactics, but for whatever that sect may do doesn't really compare to the threats of actual censorship in the past (even up to Thompson/Leiberman times in '08-'10) that could have completely altered the landscape of just how far is too far for games. Compared to what I've seen you bring up more: they're only a series of discussions that contain a small percentage of the influence of what could have been done in past. That's why it's strange to see an even greater uproar in threats and abuse against these cooler-headed SWJ people when they can't change Ninja Sexy Warrior XVII from happening in the first place.

I can't really say whether it's a bad desire or not, only that those two qualities aren't two halves of the same whole. Just as you say "Expression shouldn't have the responsibility of coddling someone's feelings or matching their sensibilities." for artistic works, the same goes for someone daring to express their criticisms outside of our comfort zone of typical game critique: game mechanics, technical presentation, and more. I can agree with the insult part depending on how you're phrasing it. Someone calling content racist, sexist, etc. in a well-informed way wouldn't be insulting compared to personally aiming accusations of the artist being one.

"From people who have problems with non-issues and transfer their own sensibilities or mental states onto fictional worlds and characters."

I can get being upset if accusations without much meat are what's being presented against developers and being insulted by it, but generalizations like this sound just as inane as the people you're trying to slam. Everyone's sensible enough to get that it's fiction being examined, but that doesn't mean it exists in a vacuum. Given that an artist or group of artists' work is comprised of their imagination(s) and real world influences, I'm not sure why other criticizing it can't use a bigger world picture.

DragonKnight4547d ago (Edited 4547d ago )

Generally speaking, only people who have a problem with the way something is conveyed will say it's not being tackled intelligently. You and I both know each others stance on feminism, sexism, and other -isms in games so I'm going to respectfully decline further engagement with you in this particular subject as I'm currently not inclined on getting into an endless discussion of the sort we've had before.

**EDIT** For some reason N4G decided not to show coolbeans' response before I posted my reply so, this was to -Gespenst-

Team_Litt4548d ago

Disclaimer: read the entire blog.
I have never eye rolled so much my entire adult life. What melodramatic self-soothing, self-assuring garbage. Wow!
I had to go and read your comments in your previous blogs, just to see if there was a pattern and there is. And how fitting that someone else whom I am discovering is no better than you at propagating his agenda is first comment.

Surely somebody has said this to you both at one point or another, but are you sure you aren't the same person? Or at least related? How 2 people can be so overly stuffed with self importance and be so transparent without being one and the same is giving me nausea and blowing my mind simultaneously.

Allow me to summarise your comments and the 2 blogs I've read from each of you: I love Sony and my thoughts and views are above reproach. The End.

Last straw this one. I'm off this site. How people here stomach all this is beyond me.

DragonKnight4548d ago

"Last straw this one. I'm off this site. How people here stomach all this is beyond me."

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Good riddance. People like you are always the same. They look for someone to attack and blame as their reason for leaving the site, and when you look at the activities of such a person then you see that all they've done is literally insult every person on this site and prance around with an ego the size of Jupiter believing themselves to be superior to everyone else here and just needing to tell them so.

Your disclaimer is ignored based on the fact that your entire comment shows not even a hint of having actually read the blog. I would love for someone to explain to me how a blog questioning why people don't actually read things before they comment is self-soothing and self-assuring.

Oh wait, I know the answer, you read the off topic bit at the end of the blog and then went into b*tch mode.

You know your comment is pretty funny considering a PM I received yesterday from another account that mentioned the same thing about leaving the site. The only difference is that that account user admitted to being banned before and just had to create a new account to attack me.

Oh well. Enjoy your life wherever it takes you. I wish I could say you will be missed, but given how pretty much every comment you make is one attacking everyone on this site and placing yourself above everyone else, I think it would be hard to find someone that actually misses you.

Take care.

Bimkoblerutso4547d ago (Edited 4547d ago )

In all fairness, your blogs HAVE been getting almost insufferably cynical and condescending.

I used to enjoy reading your blogs even when I disagreed with you, but lately you've been letting your annoyance with the community cloud your focus.

DragonKnight4547d ago

Perhaps I have, but this individual's comment isn't about that. Simply read this individual's comment history, a practice I rarely engage in, and you'll see a slew of insults directed at the entire site along with a general air of smug superiority for someone who hasn't been on the site very long or made many comments.

It's one thing to do as you did, come here and say "come on now, you used to write some pretty good stuff but you're letting too much get to you and it's starting to show in your writing." That's commendable and straightforward.

This individual however has other issues and, I suppose, a personal issue with me. I'm being used as the reason, the catalyst for this person to go off and have a reason to throw out a wave of insults as a final last stand against who knows what, before they leave the site.

It's nothing new, and it has little to nothing to do with my blog. This person simply wanted to act like an a$$ and tried to come up with a legitimate cause to do so and I was the choice of the day.

Do you remember DK286K? How he made an entire blog pissed off because he felt he was being silenced and I was being rewarded for behaviour he considered trolling and how he went off in his blog throwing out every bit of anger and rage he could come up with before never being heard from here again? Same concept but on a smaller scale.

I thank you for your appraisal of my writing and the courage to make an honest statement to me that wasn't an attack, but this individual wasn't doing what you just did.

Bimkoblerutso4547d ago

Yeah, I inadvertently endorsed his comment there, but I didn't mean to. Just making an observation.

And I don't necessarily disagree with you here nor do I blame you for getting defensive.

I just always find it sad when the stupidity of the internet claims the undivided attention of otherwise interesting bloggers.

thorstein4548d ago (Edited 4548d ago )

Where are you from? What country? (If the USA) what state?

I live in the Northeastern USA. When I google my city (population 144,000) and the word bookstore, I get 408 results. I regularly go to the local Barnes and Noble bookstore and it is constantly packed with people buying books.

If I google Laredo, TX (population 244,000) and the word bookstore, I get 21 results. A city of 100,000 more people has HUNDREDS of fewer bookstores.

I must also add that my county has an amazing library system. When you go to the libraries here (Including the 5 story one at the city center) you will find it packed.

Our inner city school system was named a "Pacemaker in Children's Literacy."

So, it might be a matter of relativity. Where you are may not be one of the most literate places. However, there are places where reading is important to the citzenry and reading is what that citizenry does.

EDIT: Great blog, BTW! I have never had a problem with the promotion of literacy!

thorstein4548d ago

I think your conclusion is that it is both illiteracy (for the most part) and some obvious trolling.

DomceM4546d ago

i think that most games are def not art. However, i do think that a few games have achieved this status (at least for me).

Deus ex 1, God of war III, Last of us, Warcraft III.... I hold them as surpassing almost anything else out there. so for me they are kinda more than a game... like art.

but most games imo are not art at all. Copy and paste sequels, etc...

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The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

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