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DragonKnight

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Take a look at this thread here on N4G.

http://n4g.com/news/873304/...

What you'll see when you go to that thread is an article that David Jaffe wrote defending Eurogamer's 8/10 score for Uncharted 3.

Now look down in the comments section. You'll see one side adamantly refuting Eurogamer's review, and the other side defending it.

But why? What's really the point?

Look; everyone and their grandmother knows that reviews are opinions right? I hope everyone knows that. A review is literally a person who played a game and then speaks about how their experience with the game was.

The problem is that reviewing has been given too much emphasis and power, and the scale has been radically overemphasized and made ridiculous. What I'm about to say will sound vulgar, but sometimes it's the only way to get a point across.

Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone's got them and they all stink. So the a$$hole of an IGN reviewer is just as repugnant as the a$$hole of a Eurogamer reviewer. Stop pretending like it's any different.

These numbers being thrown around this gen are having too great an impact on the industry. Reviews mean nothing. The only time reviews should matter is if a significant amount of them point to the same problems with a game or praise it for the same things. If many people can agree about a problem or when something is done well, chances are you'll agree too. But other than that, it's just an arbitrary number.

And while I'm on the subject of numbers, I think it's important to clarify something. A 10/10 DOES NOT mean a PERFECT game. If you talk to any professional critic who gives the best score they can give to something, you'll find that they did in fact find some problem with whatever they were reviewing, it just wasn't serious enough for them to have a diminished experience. A 10/10 game is a game in which the reviewer's experience was just so incredibly good and fun that little nitpicky issues didn't matter to them. It's the kind of game where they just couldn't put it down, or they felt the overall package was so good that anything less than a 5/5 or 10/10 or A+ would be just wrong. I'll give you an old example.

Anyone who's ever seen Electric Playground or Judgement Day/Reviews on the Run knows Tommy Tallarico. Tommy Tallarico is my favorite reviewer of all time (although he doesn't do that anymore) because he's not afraid to seriously bad mouth a game. I may not agree with his scores sometimes, but you can't say he doesn't review a game professionally. Anyone who knows him, knows he hates JRPG games with a passion. Especially Final Fantasy games. However, 10 years ago he gave Final Fantasy X a score of 10 out of 10. A guy who hates FF games, an FF game that has noticeable issues, received a "perfect" score. Is FFX a "perfect" game. No. Does T.T. think it is? No. He gave it a 10 because the entire package as a whole, he felt, deserved a 10. It's not about perfection. It's about the entire package being too incredible and fun to the reviewer that anything less than a 10 would be wrong to them.

Personally, I like reviews without scores. Kind of like what Yahtzee does on Zero Punctuation. No score, just a review of the things you like and dislike about a game, leaving the "scoring" of it to the reader/listener/player at home. Scores are arbitrary numbers. There really is no agreed upon scale as everyone attaches their own biases to said arbitrary number. An 8 to one person is amazing, to another it's an insult. That's why reviews with no score are the best. They leave it up to the reader/listener/viewer to decide if what is being said is good or bad.

So, all I'm saying is give up on placing so much emphasis, stock, faith or whatever into reviews. They don't mean a thing at all. No reviewers opinion means more than any others, and that's just an inarguable fact.

Christopher5360d ago

***Now look down in the comments section. You'll see one side adamantly refuting Eurogamer's review, and the other side defending it. ***

I don't see that at all. What I see are lots of people talking about how review scores have changed how people think about games and how some people overreact when their expectations aren't met.

DragonKnight5360d ago

You don't see the "fight" between people like -Alpha- and Bathyj who are on both sides of the fence? I can post some of the stuff I'm talking about in a comment if you like. But you are also correct that they are also talking about what you stated. I saw things like "how can you mark down Uncharted for being too cinematic when that's the style it's going for" (paraphrased) which is a clear example of people disagreeing about Eurogamer's review.

Christopher5359d ago

No, I don't see the "fight" because I look way past just the first thread of comments, which in of itself is primarily not comprised of anyone fighting over anything, but about how the concept of how games are reviewed and how scores are reflected.

*shrugs*

DragonKnight5359d ago

Ah well, the point still stands that there are people arguing about the review, plus the point of the blog still stands regardless.

-Alpha5359d ago (Edited 5359d ago )

The fence that I am on isn't the one that defends or attacks Eurogamer. My only argument is that there is no reason to take Eurogamer's review to heart, but there's also no reason to deny the right for Eurogamer to have that opinion (as far as I, and even Jaffe and GiantBomb are concerned, that review brought up a valid argument that was completely the opinion of the reviewer)

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend your right to say it" (especially if what you say is reasonable and logical)

I may not necessarily agree with the reviewer, but I hate that people deny the review and sweep it under the rug as if it isn't valid. That doesn't mean that they cannot disagree or claim the review is faulty, but the reasons I saw were really flawed and were just ways for people to discredit the reviewer. I am constantly seeing people develop a reason to discredit a review but then when another review that people don't agree with comes up they find a contradictory reason to discredit that review.

For example: Eurogamer gives UC3 8/10

"This review was overly negative from the start, they were trolling throughout. Clearly he didn't like it to begin with"

What if Eurogamer gave an 8/10 but wrote a more positive review?

"What is this? The reviewer didn't complain much at all but gave this game just an 8/10? This guy doesn't know how to review, throw him out"

Two contradictory excuses, but both I've seen used and supported many times. My question is: Why take it to heart and give reviews so much power?

The problem I have with reviews is that they are tools for bragging rights: people want to wave the number in front of everybody else's face and there is a huge need for confirmation bias. If the review confirms your bias, that site is praised, if it doesn't that site is attacked. Look at how IGN went from "they are going to downrate UC3 for no reason, be prepared" to how IGN's review is the #1 source for UC3's greatness

This is a general attitude when people hype a game. The bigger the game, the bigger the stakes, the larger the fans develop an unbreakable mentality and if the game happens to score just even slightly lower, they cannot fathom why and automatically assume the reviewer is at fault

DragonKnight5359d ago

@Alpha: You actually summed up what I meant by "reviews having too much power" very well. Reviews don't necessarily make or break every game, but for some reason the vocal fanboys use them as ammunition and even some of the developers will look to sites like metacritic and say their game is a success or a failure based on those scores.

I mean, if some random guy came up to you on the street and said he thinks your car is a P.O.S., you might sock him one but it doesn't mean you'll believe it. Why? Because it's some random dude's opinion about something. A review is, when you get right down to basics, exactly the same thing. It is some random person's opinion about something they spent a little time with. And honestly, reviewers don't spend a lot of time playing a game. They play just enough to get the gist of it necessary for their review most of the time and that's pretty much it.

So why get upset over a half-formed opinion? Seems pretty stupid to me wouldn't you agree?

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zero_gamer5359d ago

"Personally, I like reviews without scores."

Yes! Couldn't agree any more with this one. A scoreless review with a detailed conclusion or summary on what's positive and negative about the game would well suit the review. That way it would encourage the audience to actually read the review's contents instead of gawking at some number and either go "zOMG PERFECT 10 IGN IS NO LONGER IGNORANT" or "lol 8/10 eurotrashgamer sux trolling article lookin 4 hits" I guess I'll have to address this problem by becoming a gaming journalist and start a site with a scoreless review system. Whether or not I agree with Eurogamer's review is another story, but I am open to reviews, both positive and negative regardless of my take on a particular game.

Frankly, I am quite embarrassed as a SONY fan that some of my fellow PS3 owners have to stoop down to the level of raging lunatics over some 8/10 review. The sad part is, they haven't even once played the SP campaign to see for themselves, yet somehow muster up some "opinion" of UC3 saying it's better than Arkham City. Ugh.

Tuxedo_Mask5359d ago

I agree with you on almost all of your points, but I really don't understand why a guy who hates a certain genre of games, Tommy Tallarico and JRPGS, would feel the need to review a game from that genre.

I can't really think of a game genre that I hate, but if I did hate a certain type of game then I wouldn't review a game from that genre because my review would be biased before I even started playing the game. The sad thing is that there are a lot of reviewers who don't adhere to this rule.

As for review scores having power, perhaps they don't have as much power as people think. Enslaved was adored by game reviewers, yet it sold very poorly. I actually thought it was kind of amusing to see game reviewers write follow up pieces asking why no one was buying it. From the way some of them read you would have thought they worked for the PR division of NT or NB, it was as if they couldn't believe that people actually decide for themselves if they want to buy a certain game or not.

Reviews can be useful to gauge the quality of a game and whether or not it is worth checking out, but only if the person reviewing the game is both honest and unbiased. Unfortunately I doubt if we will ever see a reviewer of any form of entertainment who has both of those qualities. People need to do their own research and make their own decisions on what games are worth the price, because "the review said it was 10/10 and I don't like it" won't get you your money back when you try to return it.

JonahNL5359d ago

I'm a reviewer myself and you're absolutely right about not being able to be both honest and unbiased. A review will always be biased, because it's an opinion, not a factual statement.

However, I do always try to look for the good and bad things in any game, sum them up, give a score depending on what I've found and let the player know what the game has to offer.

I reviewed BF3's singleplayer recently and there's no denying it's heavily scripted and at times even linear. Now, personally I didn't like that in a Battlefield game, but I try to write a review in such a way that the reader can draw his/her own conclusion, based on what I experienced.

jessupj5359d ago (Edited 5359d ago )

I agree with the general premise of your arguement. What really grinds my gears though is when the usual suspects defend an inconsistant and CLEARLY biased review by hiding behind the tied old saying of "It's their opinion".

Yes, it's there opinion, but what they fail to realise is a review should be a professional opinion, ie. a critique that is as objectional as humanly possible. Ideally each publication will have a set of standards to mark each game against.

If I wanted a biased personal opinion I'd just ask one of my friends. I shouldn't be going to so called professional sites and be greeted by the same opinion my friend would have told me.

How many times have we seen fanboy reviewers mark a game willy nilly based of what they just happen to be feeling at the time.

I don't care how harsh a gaming site is, I just want a little consistancy. Is it really that hard to have a little stability in your scores when it's your full time job?

smashcrashbash5359d ago

No offense but its strange how when its UC3 everyone lashes out at anyone who disagrees with any scores or says it will be GOTY or says it doesn't sound like it deserves it. But when it comes to other games like Skyrim, BF3, Batman AC, Rage and Gears 3 it seems to be okay to brag and insist that the game WILL be great long before it even comes out. I don't see as many 'shut up fanboys' or 'stop over hyping the game' or slaps on the wrist for saying a game will be GOTY before it comes out.

Right now many people are boasting about Skyrim being GOTY and they don't get the tongue lashing I get when I say UC3 will be GOTY.I watched other games get low scores that were ignored or called unprofessional but the minute UC3 gets a few 8s everyone descends on them like vultures. Rage got lots of low scores but that doesn't stop people from claiming it's 'brilliance'. But every score UC3 gets lower then a 9 is claimed to be the 'truth' by people on N4G.In my opinion despite people saying people are judging the game positively before they played it, I see just as many people ready to believe the negative reviews before they played the game too.Everyone is so ready to believe Eurogamer and haven't even played the game either. They could be talking complete crap for all you know.

Long story short, how about some chastising for the people ready to believe Eurogamer's score without even playing the game.Stop the fighting to fight the people who don't agree with the review.People have a right to an opinion too. Some people don't think the 8/10 sounds legit and the reviewer sounded like he was nitpicking. SO WHAT?

thorstein5358d ago (Edited 5358d ago )

I am lashing out, blargh, blargh, blargh!/s

I agree with you 100%, but it is fanboyism. I don't take any of it seriously. And if these little bitches aren't on here, they are somewhere else spewing the same bs.

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