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DragonKnight

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PC Gaming and why I'm confused.

You know lately if you've been paying attention to the news here, a lot of PC gaming stuff has been popping up. Now I'm not talking about actual PC games (though admittedly the issues do involve PC versions of games) but the quality of PC versions, their relation to consoles, and the attitudes of PC gamers.

Take the new Battlefield game coming out. For some reason there is this huge uproar about the quality of the PC version vs. the Console version. Console owners are whining about how the PC version is so much better, Dice telling everyone to shove it, PC gamers loving it and walking around like their... well you know.

And today I noticed a FarCry 3 story stating that the PC version is going to be superior to the console version. This is just one of the many types of stories that are floating around. All stories designed to stroke the ego of PC gamers, with console gamers being pissed off for some fairly ridiculous reasons.

FACT: PC games will always have superior visual and sound quality to console games. There is really only one reason you would need to support this, and that's that PC gaming has the advantage of having ever evolving hardware. It can constantly use state of the art technology right now, whereas consoles are closed off in a hardware sense and only evolve after the end of a console's life. You wouldn't expect an old vinyl record player to be able to output lossless audio like the kind you'd get out of a .wav file would you? So you can't expect consoles to output the kind of quality a PC with the latest tech can output. So in that regard, I can see the point devs like Dice have.

But where I'm having an issue is, who the hell cares? I'm about to make a radical generalization that is not at all true about every member of the group I'm generalizing, it's merely discussing an observation. Why does anyone care about stroking the ego of the PC crowd? They have to be the most entitled, elitist bunch of gamers most of us have ever come across and it's ALWAYS about the GRAPHICS with them. Why is it that so many articles lately have to make PC gamers feel better about the quality of their version of any game? As a PC gamer, you should know that even a shoddy port will look better on your gaming rig than on any console, yet for some reason this massive sense of entitlement raises up as if PC gamers are "owed" something and you have devs practically bottle feeding them and giving in to the temper tantrums.

I suppose the fact that, by comparison in a marketing sense, PC gaming is small next to consoles. Most of gaming devs develop for consoles, consoles have a hell of a lot more variety and options of games that will never appear on PC, devs fear piracy on PC more than they do on consoles, etc... So maybe PC only devs, and devs looking to move into that realm will do anything they can to keep what fanbase they have for their games. Of course, once you give an inch, people tend to take a mile, and that's where the sense of entitlement comes in.

Every article here that so much as hints at PC in even the smallest way is bombarded by PC fanboys down playing consoles and posting comment after comment about their rig and how it only cost them $200 more than a launch PS3 to have "teh bestest grfx evar" and how "PC's are a gen ahead of consoles." Seriously, if you have to keep saying it then I guess there must be something wrong with the games you're not playing on that PC, or you're trying to convince people that PC gaming is bigger than it is.

We get it, PC's are superior in hardware to consoles. Always have been, always will be. Anyone who doesn't get this fact has probably been living in a cave somewhere with their eyes shut, and their ears blocked. But if you're really into gaming, then you know 2 things. First, gaming isn't about the graphics. Graphics are the most superficial aspect of gaming. Take the sh*ttiest game in the world and give it the most photorealistic graphics possible, and you're left with a very polished, very "pretty" turd.

Second, console gaming is far larger than PC gaming and is where the real money is. Quite frankly, people will ALWAYS choose a convenience first. A console is built for everyone to have the exact same experience at a cheaper price than a PC, with years of never having to buy an upgrade to make your games only look better but not actually BE any better. It is for this reason devs make more games for consoles, and why the industry focuses on consoles to a much greater degree than PC's.

I'm sure this blog will be torn apart by innumerable PC fanboys once again talking about their rig, why if you do the calculations PC gaming is cheaper, throw in some reference to Steam, and accuse people of being to lazy to spend $600 to build their own "better than consoles" gaming PC. I don't really care. I'm just sick of the ego stroking PC gamers seem to need to have and the devs who bend over backwards to give it to them just because they can't be satisfied with already having the superior hardware.

I believe there is a word for someone who is clearly superior yet has to have everyone continuously acknowledge it and have everyone appease him/her for it. I don't know what it is right now, but if anyone does feel free to post it as a comment along with its definition.

xX-StolenSoul-Xx5459d ago

The big reason I stick to console is because of the online community being so large so most games don't die as fast like they do on Pc.

I play on Ps3 and it has a large community and i can always pop in a game thats at least 2 years old and find people to play with no problem.

DragonKnight5459d ago

For me it's just about simplicity and selection. For a console, I never have to worry about if I have the right system requirements to have the full experience a game offers. I don't have to mess with settings, I don't have to know anything about DXInsertNumberHere or how much dedicated VRAM I have, or Free Space, or any of that other B.S. one has to consider if they want to play a new game.

Also, although the PC has the potential to have every single game ever made playable on the platform via emulation, that process is FAR from perfect so the variety is still on the side of consoles as you don't have to worry about compatibility issues or the fact that emulators usually take upwards of 5 times the resources the actual console would have had.

Price is also a factor, though not as highly. I bought a launch PS3 so I could, theoretically, buy a decent gaming rig if I am fine with the medium settings and such, but I just prefer consoles. And it's like you said, the large community is there too.

iamnsuperman5459d ago (Edited 5459d ago )

Same here. Its just easier. The specs stay the same until a new console comes out. I just know enough jargon to get by but not enough to slap down a lot of money to get a good rig. There is none of this worry with consoles

OT: "How it only cost them $200 more than a launch PS3 to have "teh bestest grfx evar" and how "PC's are a gen ahead of consoles." This is another reason why i do not have a gaming PC. Do i have $800 to spend. Hell no but did I have $600 to spend. Barely.

Rage_S905459d ago

You bought a launch ps3, but remember that at the time it was competing with the pc graphically and at a cheaper price point.

Good blog i agree with most of what you say.

outwar60105459d ago

for me i love console because there is no fragmentation when it comes to peripherals you buy them and they work with every game no messing about with game code or buying crappy software

ZombieNinjaPanda5459d ago

>most games don't die as fas as they do on pc

Tell that to Battlefield 2, released in 2005, still being played today.

xX-StolenSoul-Xx5459d ago

What about the smaller games? Answer is no.

ZombieNinjaPanda5458d ago

So how many console games are you still playing that are 6 years old? The answer is None.

xX-StolenSoul-Xx5458d ago (Edited 5458d ago )

Halo 2 was a game largly played till they canceled xbox live for old games and that was released in 2004

And i still play Final Fantasy Xi on my Ps2 and that was released in 2004 also So???

Heck people even play the old socoms still.

ZombieNinjaPanda5458d ago

So now we're talking about single player? Here, I'll pick out two games out my desk that I and others still play.

Empire Earth - 2003
Star Wars Empire at War- 2006

Just to go back to my original comment, making up crap when people know it's crap isn't the smartest idea.

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theEx1Le5458d ago

Games die faster on consoles imo, I dunno what games you play but there has been plenty of games that i've popped into my ps3 or xbox that have had NO online community what so ever. I however, have yet to run into a single pc game that hasn't had people playing it. This is my personal experience though.

xX-StolenSoul-Xx5458d ago

Try playing Blacklight Tango Down, game died very fast on Pc. Yeah i've bought it.

pr0digyZA5458d ago

Thats because the PC community has standards, and that game was not up to scratch. There are the odd games still happening with that one.

BeastlyRig5458d ago (Edited 5458d ago )

lmao! do you realize a lot of pc games are supported for nearly 10 years? do you? dumb comment..

ps3/360 = server shutdowns..

Jacobite5457d ago

Online games on the PC die so fast eh! TF2 4 years old going strong lets see games I can find that have online players, UT plus UT2003 UT2004 plus a few mods from these games HL,TF still can find the odd games quake still oh and HL2 death match CS COD 2 not tried the others but would probably find some servers yet and I bet their be still someone playing SOF yet lol

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LightofDarkness5459d ago

"I'm sure this blog will be torn apart by innumerable PC fanboys once again talking about their rig, why if you do the calculations PC gaming is cheaper, throw in some reference to Steam, and accuse people of being to lazy to spend $600 to build their own "better than consoles" gaming PC. I don't really care. I'm just sick of the ego stroking PC gamers seem to need to have and the devs who bend over backwards to give it to them just because they can't be satisfied with already having the superior hardware."

So basically, you want people to come in here and parrot back to you your own sentiments and have a boo-hoo pity party about those big-bad PC bullies taking the spotlight away from the PS3 for once around here?

I'm not stroking anyone's ego, and about 3 devs try to do anything special to cater towards the PC audience these days. Even in that Far Cry 3 article, the developers are basically saying that they are concentrating on the console versions, and that there won't be much difference between PC and console. That means console port. I don't think I'm owed much, but they give barely a fraction of their attention to PC versions of games these days. Simple, stupid things like "Press Start to Begin" at title screens go a long way to showing just how little time was put into it.

What I'm starting to see are a load of bitter console fanboys who are getting more and more jealous because they're no longer the prettiest girl in town and people are starting to know it.

Raf1k15459d ago

Agreed. At the start of the current console generation console games were looking quite a lot better than PC games at the time which was something console players were more than happy to boast about. Now that the PC has surpassed the consoles again they feel the need to cry about it.

There's really nothing there for anyone to get upset about. The ones that do get upset are the ones who have a hard time coming to terms with reality.

DragonKnight5459d ago

@Light of Darkness: "So basically, you want people to come in here and parrot back to you your own sentiments and have a boo-hoo pity party about those big-bad PC bullies taking the spotlight away from the PS3 for once around here?"

Who mentioned the PS3 at all? Not me. If you can re-read the blog and find the PS3 being mentioned in the context you imagined, then I'll post an edit retracting everything. And no, not looking for people to parrot back anything. I simply am prepared for the inevitable. Even had I not added that part in my blog, people like you would be here saying the exact same thing you just did, and being incessant about it. It's a mere acknowledgement of the inevitable. Get your mouse out of your.. well you know.

"What I'm starting to see are a load of bitter console fanboys who are getting more and more jealous because they're no longer the prettiest girl in town and people are starting to know it."

This here shows your ignorance. For one, only a fool would think that consoles ever had better graphics than a PC. Second, "people" aren't "starting to know" anything. A few devs are caving to the whining of PC fanboys who have a problem with, to quote you, seeing things like "Press Start" in games. They have to have their egos stroked and so they whine to devs about not having "teh bestest experience" of the game. Newsflash, devs have been doing this to everyone since this gen began. It wasn't a problem last gen, but parity seems to be the big thing this gen. It's just annoying to see PC gamers think they are entitled more than anyone else. Devs want to make a great looking PC game, fine. But do it because that's the vision, not because a comparatively small userbase is whining that they spent $1000 to play console versions of games.

In the end, the only thing PC has that makes it relevant are graphics. The majority don't care about mods, hate using a mouse and keyboard as a controller, and will always take the convenience of consoles over PC. That's just fact. If you don't believe me, explain why the console market is larger than the PC market in the videogame industry.

LightofDarkness5459d ago

And yet you still spout the same ignorant rhetoric.

"Even had I not added that part in my blog, people like you would be here saying the exact same thing you just did, and being incessant about it."

Yes, it's amazing how you can predict that more informed people will inevitably point out flaws in your laughably malformed opinion. So, by stating such in your blog, you're either admitting that you know you're talking rubbish and whining, or you're trying to use it as some sort of childish faux counter-argument, like "I knew you were going to do that so ha." Either way it doesn't in any way affect the validity of the counterpoints to what you've put forth.

And what's with you and espousing basic localization/optimization with "ego-stroking?" If many big name games, formerly exclusive to your console of choice, began appearing with "Press Enter to Begin", PC keys instead of controller buttons in input layouts (and sometimes QTEs), how would you feel after a while? How about removing support for a feature you've come to expect from every game on your console, just because another machine can't do it? How about if all the interfaces for many games you were looking forward to were clearly designed with a mouse+keyboard in mind, making them too complex/clumsy to navigate with a controller?

Nobody is whining, these are rather legitimate reasons to be concerned over the quality of future products.

"In the end, the only thing PC has that makes it relevant are graphics. The majority don't care about mods, hate using a mouse and keyboard as a controller, and will always take the convenience of consoles over PC. That's just fact" For one, are you psychic? Do you speak for the majority? Did they elect you as their representative to all of gaming? Sounds like you've substituted the word "I" with the word "majority". Uneducated opinion != fact. Plus, you do realise that PCs do more than play games, right?

"explain why the console market is larger than the PC market in the videogame industry." Perhaps I could explain that if it were true. But it's not. PC gaming has higher profits than any other right now.

http://www.rockpapershotgun...
http://www.computerandvideo...

Consoles may take in higher revenues, but their profit margins are pretty crappy. This is why developers are moving their focus back to PC, not because people nagged them into submission. Digital downloads means retailers are bypassed, as are distributors. This means more profits for devs and publishers. More to that, the free 2 play market is EXPLODING. And what attracts investment? GROWTH. F2P is a gold mine.

Montrealien5459d ago

This is a quote from DragonKnight's 3rd comment ever on N4G...

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Second, no MGS4 and FFXIII will not be jumping ship. The developers know their games, and if they say it's not possible, then you better bet your ass that it's not. Maybe not from the technical side of things, but MGS4 and FFXIII were designed for the PS3, down to the last pixel. FFXIII has bee stated to be for the PS3 because "the PS3 is the only system that can realize our dreams for the game"."

Fanboys will be fanboys. He is just mad that the Ps3 never reached the potential he imagined it would reach all those years ago.

And no Dragonknight. The PC does not only have graphics as an advantage, and yes, many more people then you think do enjoy mods. Just deal with it, gaming preferences are related to you, what you like and that is all. Respect that other people enjoy things you may not, stop hating on things you don't like and start enjoying the games you like, on the platforms you have.

You have been on a PS3 love fest for over 3 years, get over it, all platforms have their good points, and negative points, there is no one platform to rule them all, and there never will be.

Theo11305459d ago (Edited 5459d ago )

"They have to be the most entitled, elitist bunch of gamers most of us have ever come across and it's ALWAYS about the GRAPHICS with them."

It's never really about the graphics, any REAL pc gamer(not the imaginary one you make up in your head) will tell you it's about options, options to tweak the game to their liking.

"PC gaming is small next to consoles"

Factor in Download(which has a bigger profit margin than console sales), physical, Free to play, and Social network gaming, it account bigger than console sales, that's why EA just acquired Pop cap for 750milliion, and zynga just invested 1 billion into development into social media games

US: http://www.rockpapershotgun...

UK: http://www.rockpapershotgun...

"consoles have a hell of a lot more variety and options of games that will never appear on PC"

What type of game hasn't appeared on PC?

Do some real research, and actually try to write an objective counterpoint to pc gaming, instead of putting this dribble with little to no factual merit.

Theo11305459d ago (Edited 5459d ago )

Also, a PC, in it's nature is more versatile(gaming or non gaming)than a console, so just comparing them solely based on gaming is redundant; you don't criticize a car for being expensive when you compare it to a skateboard, they both have wheels, they both have wheels and travel, but ones has a greater versatility and has more functionality and more options.

DragonKnight5459d ago

"Factor in Download(which has a bigger profit margin than console sales), physical, Free to play, and Social network gaming, it account bigger than console sales, that's why EA just acquired Pop cap for 750milliion, and zynga just invested 1 billion into development into social media games."

We're talking about REAL games here. Not flash based garbage that anyone can make or free-to-play games that don't contribute to the progress of gaming. Funny you mention Zynga since their CEO admitted that he orders the blatant copying every game under the sun.

"What type of game hasn't appeared on PC?"

Wow, what a broad time reference. The thing to consider is not what game from say the JRPG genre that you could have played 10 years ago, we're talking about right now and the frequency in which those types of genres appear on PC. If you can't see that consoles have a lot more genre variety on a far more frequent basis than PC, that's your problem for ignoring fact.

"Do some real research, and actually try to write an objective counterpoint to pc gaming, instead of putting this dribble with little to no factual merit."

I'm sorry, I guess I skipped over the part where PC gaming hardware has always been superior and I can see the point of devs like Dice with Battlefield 3. Oh wait, I didn't. I believe I touched on both sides.

"Also, a PC, in it's nature is more versatile(gaming or non gaming)than a console, so just comparing them solely based on gaming is redundant; you don't criticize a car for being expensive when you compare it to a skateboard, they both have wheels, they both have wheels and travel, but ones has a greater versatility and has more functionality and more options."

Your argument is pathetic. Attempting to divert the core issue by including other features that PC has is pointless because the blog is about gaming and what is expected in gaming. Unless you want me to add in the whining about how X game doesn't allow PC gamers to stream a movie at the same time in a separate window while they're playing a game. But not only have I yet to hear such a complaint, it's irrelevant to what this discussion is about.

When you make a blog or article or some piece of literature that compares every feature of a PC vs. a Console, then your argument will have merit and be relevant. But we're talking about gaming here. The fact that a PC can give you a calculator to use is irrelevant to the game you're supposed to be playing.

Voxelman5459d ago

"REAL games" who is being elitist now? What is this magical definition of REAL games?

And while there are a few genres that don't appear often on PC like JRPGs it's not like there isn't a bunch of genres that are more common on PC like MMORPGs, RTS, Social (whatever you may think of them) dungeon crawlers, Simulation games like simcity etc. And ignoring the back catalog is ignoring one of the biggest advantages of PC gaming you know PC gamers love old school games because many of them don't value graphics over gameplay.

Bladesfist5459d ago (Edited 5459d ago )

Ok I see your opinion and I understand that all these topics are flamebait but their is a reason why they are popping up more than ever, Pc's are now a lot more powerful than consoles.

As to your points

1)" ALWAYS about the GRAPHICS with them"

Sure I like playing my games in 1080p with my AA and 60fps but us pc gamers care about a lot more than graphics. We PREFER our mouse and keyboard as it allows us to play games without aim assist, we prefer our dedicated servers which dramatically decrease the amount of ping in servers and allow for higher player counts, we prefer having mods and modding communities that add content to our games and turn them into something amazing, take SC2 for example: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

2)"Second, console gaming is far larger than PC gaming and is where the real money is"

Wrong, If you count a gamer as someone who plays games then their are far more pc gamers and F2P games. F2P game stores are as valuable as console games. A much bigger percentage of a pc game sale goes to the developers if you choose digital distribution which helps fill in the numbers.
Their are also more people online on steam at any given time than that of xbox live.

3)"Quite frankly, people will ALWAYS choose a convenience first"

A lot of people prefer quality over convenience, That's like saying people will ALWAYS choose takeaways than go to a resteraunt.

4)"devs fear piracy on PC more than they do on consoles, etc... "

And devs fear used game sales on consoles more than they do piracy on PC's

At the end its your choice to support the platform you choose.

LightofDarkness5459d ago

That SC2 video gave me an erection.

Jacobite5456d ago

Have a bubble on me sniff sniff well said : )

StayStatic5459d ago (Edited 5459d ago )

Gonna hit your point about graphics , pixel counters give us a bad name and usually just bragging for the sake of it.

Graphics are not the main attraction PC gaming as many brag about so i can understand where that comes from.

Main reason i play PC is for:

- Gameplay , the most important thing , some of the best PC gamers were never the peak of graphics they just played well. If they end up half assed ports like Dead Space 1 then the gameplay suffers.

- Better controls , actually choice of controls would be better but mice in FPS are technically superior its not an opinion. But i like controllers for other games such as 3rd person games like GOW3 , Uncharted , Mass Effect + Racing and Platformer games. Not having mice support on console is annoying and you can easily split the matches up based on peripheral aswell as game type.

- Dedicated Servers , Admin controlled to get rid of clowns / hackers which u can't do on console , they just run rampent. P2P is okay to have but not supporting optional dedicated servers for clans or public servers is frustrating.

- Cheaper games

- Better Investment in the long run

- More mature better community and teamwork is way better in games on PC with the exception of the usual e-jerks / trolls.

- You can do everything , e.g. stream music , msn , steam chat , and play online all at the same time

- Piracy is a problem for everyone , pirated console games come from the same place PC ones do and simply ripped to disc.

Graphics are an awesome bonus but not essential **glances at high end rig** thats not the point :P

5 years down the line i would quite happily play at 720p at 30fps if i could not afford an upgrade. Would still be playable even if not desirable.

But i guess what platform you choose is down to what the person wants in an entertainment system :)

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