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DragonKnight

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PSN Credit Card outrage

I seem to be on this subject like white on rice, but as with an ever evolving issue; ever evolving opinions come with it. This blog focuses on the attitudes people have been having since Sony decided to caution people of the POSSIBILITY that credit card information was stolen.

In case you don't know what I'm talking about, Sony issued an official statement that they will be emailing certain individuals through PSN (and I'd hope standard email) that due to the external intrusion that PSN was subjected to; there is an unconfirmed possibility that some PSN accounts with credit card information were compromised, and that the actual credit card number and expiration date of the card could have been taken by the thief. However they did state that security numbers present on the back of your credit card were NOT taken.

The thing to remember here is that Sony ARE NOT 100% POSITIVE THAT SUCH A THING ACTUALLY HAPPENED, AND ARE SIMPLY BEING CAUTIOUS. They are following the "better to be safe than sorry" motto.

Since this happened, once again you have the ill-informed and the ill-tempered individuals choosing to blow this up to epic proportions and not using basic sense or logic. Here's some examples.

"WHAT?! MY CREDIT CARD INFORMATION WAS TAKEN? F*** YOU SONY, THIS SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED! YOU SHOULD HAVE PROTECTED OUR INFORMATION, THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT!"

-Two things spring to mind when you see a comment like this, or any variant even if it is calmly worded. The first is the possibility that it is a troll just trying to fan the flames. The second is that this person isn't using sense. You don't blame a victim for being victimized in some way, you blame the person causing the harm. PSN was hacked. Plain and simple. Someone gained access to that which they were not allowed access to and tried to do illegal things with that access. You have to understand that in the world of information technology, nothing is 100% secure. Any hacker with enough patience, time, and talent will eventually find a way through any protected server or service if they really want to.

When you give your information that can identify you to any online service, they always inform you that doing so is a risk on your part and that you should be aware of that risk before handing out information such as this. The fact that this happened to Sony is not at all anything special, because people suffer credit and bank fraud daily across the globe. Hell, a few weeks ago I was "Skimmed" (as the bank calls it) for $230 that I didn't spend. Do I blame the bank because it happened? No, because these thieves know what they're doing. Using technology, they can read your bank cards number, and the pin number you push in, and then create a counterfeit bank card for use anywhere they want. It's not the banks fault that the thieves are able to fool interac machines into believing that their counterfeit card is your legitimate bank card. Sony can't be blamed for the actions of an outside intruder looking to steal information anymore than you can be blamed for someone busting your window and breaking into your house to steal your property.

"WHY DIDN'T SONY TELL US SOONER OR RIGHT AWAY?!"

-Another thing I've already spoken about is complete transparency. For starters, no company will ever be completely transparent about even the smallest security breach. It's bad PR and could cause shareholders to sell their stocks. Also, Sony hired a 3rd party security firm to analyze every detail of PSN to find out exactly what happened and what they needed to do to fix the problem. This meant that, until the firm finished analyzing the system, Sony had no information to give until the final and accurate report by the firm was made. How can Sony tell you that which they don't yet know? And even now, they can't confirm that CC information was stolen, they are merely being cautious and telling people to look out for the possibility. It's called being prudent and responsible. Sony doesn't want millions of people to suffer fraud or identity theft. Why do you think they would? You think any of this is fun for Sony? It's a nightmare for them and yet so many of you are acting like they've purposely tried to hurt their consumers.

They wanted to be able to be honest and upfront when they had accurate information to give you. And they were. The fact that they can't confirm CC information theft means they didn't have to say anything about it at all. They could have let it go and let you assume that someone got a hold of your information some other way, and let you deal with the bank and all the headaches without ever even suspecting that it's because PSN was hacked. They could have spared themselves a real PR headache by keeping quiet, but they didn't. They came forward and told everyone of the possibility of CC information theft so that people could take the necessary steps needed to protect themselves. And this is the victimized company you're ready to lynch?

"I'M NEVER BUYING A SONY PRODUCT EVER AGAIN, THEIR SECURITY IS SO LAX IT'S PRACTICALLY NON-EXISTENT."

-See ya then. No one is going to miss you. Those of us with a logical and clear head understand that this kind of thing is a VERY common occurrence and can happen to even the most tightly secured online servers and services. Visa and Mastercard were recently hacked by Anonymous, Paypal has been hacked before, hell the Pentagon faces thousands of hacking attempts every day by hackers more skilled at what they do than you'll ever know exist, and the only reason the Pentagon hasn't been blown wide open is the extraordinary security measures taken and the amount of personnel hired simply to monitor the network. This happens all the time no matter how much security is in place. All it takes is someone with enough time, skill, and patience to do it. So if you're really that closed minded and small to boycott Sony products for something that isn't Sony's fault, then by all means don't let the door hit you on the way out. The rest of us will be over here enjoying our gaming experience.

"SONY SHOULD HAVE NEVER GONE AFTER GEOHOT AND THE OTHER HACKERS, IT'S BECAUSE OF THAT THAT THIS HAPPENED AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SONY'S FAULT."

-Now you're trying to blame Sony for protecting their interests. This situation should show you that hackers are NOT on your side. They are NOT fighting for YOUR rights. They hack so they can do things like this. Granted, not all hackers are hacking for illegal reasons, but this should show you that OtherOS and homebrew and all the other nigh-dogmatic rhetoric that "the scene" was spewing forth in their crusade to allow hacks was all smoke and mirrors to avoid prosecution. The truth is, when you want everything to be open and free, you are allowing people to commit these kinds of crimes. Control has to be maintained, and if you truly want the ability to create your own applications for things like a console, then make a legal, and public request for such a thing, and gain the support of the people using a legal and public venue to do so. Sony at least are a company that listen to what their userbase wants in a large way, which is why OtherOS was originally part of the PS3 and why they went with Android for Xperia Play and NGP.

If Sony was so against open source applications and software, why would they open up their next portable gaming devices? It's all a matter of how you approach the subjects of these kinds of things.

And one thing that I have noticed is that these "pro-hacker" individuals who were trumpeting GeoHot's cause are suddenly very silent. Which is fine and refreshing, but makes you wonder if they NOW see why Sony fought so hard to block the hackers. Some have suggested that Sony should have taken Microsoft's approach and just ban the modders and hackers. Maybe they should have, or maybe they wanted to be proactive and try to protect things like PSN being hacked from happening in the first place. Maybe they were thinking of your ability to enjoy your online gaming experience, free of the worry of cheaters and spammers and CC information thieves.

No fortress is impenetrable. Like water, hackers will always find a crack to flow through. But remember that Sony shut down PSN to prevent anything worse than what has already happened from happening. They've been thinking of protecting your information from the start, and these things take a lot of effort and a lot of time. They couldn't give too much information, or else the guilty parties would further cover their tracks and they could have incited hysteria over what could have been a small issue.

People need to learn patience, and they need to exercise sense. And this issue really needs to stop being blown into ridiculous proportions by random no-name bloggers and media outlets who cease to use professionalism and objectivity.

Scottyabanks5538d ago (Edited 5538d ago )

First off, thank God for a great blog regarding the recent PSN dilemma. Some of the others pending approval are fails of the highest order to say the least.

Next off, I don't blame Sony. I accuse those who would go to the end of the Earth to try to hack a service such as the PSN in order to gain of the sensitive information of others. It's disgusting to think that certain individuals would compromise the financial security of honest hard working gamers (or anyone for that matter).

Not only do they cause a global shut down of the PSN, thus taking our only two days off a week away, whereas we would normally enjoy our hobby of playing video games online with our friends, they do it with the intent to steal our money and our identity. They sit at their computers and hack all day long while most of us our pushing 50 hours a week, breaking our backs to afford the latest game and hell, to live!

In essence, they live off us. Every successful hack and identity stolen to them is another new program or device that allows them to make it even easier to compromise even the most latest and secure of networks.

The blame needs to be directed at those responsible. Sony doesn't want things like this happening and neither do we. Sony to this point has done everything they need to do, and will continue to fortify their network to resist the endless onslaught of those who would take advantage of it.

DragonKnight5537d ago

Thank you, and I completely agree with you.

I today got that email that Sony has been sending people about the possible breach of CC information. Fortunately for me, the CC I use infrequently on PSN is not an actual CC but one of those prepaid deals where it only works if you put money on it. No charges can be made to the card without any money on it so I'm good and I'm also appreciative of Sony actually taking the time to inform me of this when they certainly have more pressing matters to deal with, such as the security of the system.

I can't blame Sony for being hacked because it's like blaming a home owner for being robbed simply because their house happens to be visible. At some point you just have to come to the simple truth that someone had a malicious intent to do this and would have done so no matter what. Blaming the victim is just plain stupid and wrong.

Megaton5536d ago

Right, Sony deserves zero blame for this. It's not like all our details, minus CC info, were left in plaintext or anything.

Your home owner analogy would be more accurate if it included details like the home owner leaving all doors and windows wide open with his most expensive items sitting in front of them, and maybe a sign on his front lawn that says "go ahead, nobody's looking".

Their lack of encryption on anything other than CC info chaps my ass, and rightfully so. My login, pass, address, email, secret question/answer shouldn't be out there on some list right now, and neither should yours.

DragonKnight5536d ago (Edited 5536d ago )

@Megaton: Clearly you're a victim of your own ignorance. For one, if you bothered to read the entirety of the hackers chat log, you'd have seen them admit that the information was in fact encrypted and not in plain text, and Sony officially stated that the information was encrypted as well, which is something that would be illegal for them to lie about. Second, have you ever heard of SSL? SSL is a method of secure data transfer that all companies who deal in CC information use when the exchange of that information takes place. It deals with plain text data as well. Sony isn't the first to use it, and they won't be the last.

Finally, your information such as your address, email, name, phone number is all available through Google and other public information venues. So get your panties out of a know, read the FACTS, and blame the real culprits. The hackers.

Megaton5536d ago (Edited 5536d ago )

I read the whole thing. I must have missed that part, assuming you're correct. I don't recall Sony stating anything other than CC info being encrypted. They admitted everything but that had been leaked, and maybe even that, they weren't sure.

My address and whatnot shouldn't be out in the open because I don't enter it anywhere. I'm typically an overly cautious person, often providing fake info and pseudonyms whenever asked. Unfortunately, all my info on the PSN is legit. Probably the only place where I can say that's true.

I'm not beyond admitting I'm wrong if I am, but I believe there's enough blame to go around, and some of it certainly lands in Sony's lap. You can't just pin this on the hackers 100% and act like anyone who says otherwise is incapable of logical thinking.

I agree that some of the hysteria has gone way overboard, and I understand I'm taking an unpopular stance because Sony is God on N4G, but I'll gladly take it. Keep insinuating that I'm an idiot for not bowing to your version of "common sense" if you want. Water off a duck's back, and I'm sure it'll get you some more agrees.

DragonKnight5536d ago

Point out where Sony's blame is. I'll wait.

Megaton5536d ago

Alright, I'll take the bait and use my last bubble to repeat myself for you. Having security as lax as it was makes this partially their fault. Their network, their responsibility to protect its users' information. Fairly simple. But hey, what do I know, right?

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jadenkorri5536d ago

well Megaton, if psn was SOOOO UNSECURED, why is it NOW just been hacked. I would agree with anyone any day if it was psns 1st year, but its been out more than 4 years. If its so easy, then go hack it yourself.

rockleex5535d ago

Surely Sony had no security at all!

I mean, just look at how long it took for the PS3 to be hacked compared to all other electronics devices in HISTORY!!

In fact, the PSN security was so lax that I could have hacked into it all along! I just never chose to.

Darn you Sony!

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TeCh775536d ago (Edited 5536d ago )

@Dragon,

Please point me to the article where Sony says our personal info (name, email, login and pw were encrypted). I specifically remember reading one where Sony stated that info was NOT encrypted, but, our cc info was encrypted.

Frankly I've read so many articles that they are becoming jumbled together lol.

I am not happy with Sony right now, I won't forget about it, but, I will probably get over it eventually. I'm aware that a lot of people get hacked but this is the first time a company I've supported for so long has been compromised on this level (at least that I was publicly made aware of).

Another thing that bugs me is that they are lying when they say they have never asked us for our CCV#. I just had to put mine in a few weeks ago when I purchased some DLC. Whether or not that info is stored in their datatbase, I don't know (I know they will tell me it's not), but, I don't understand why they are publicly stating they've never asked for that information when I know for a fact they have.

HolyOrangeCows5535d ago

Their first Q&A DEFINITELY states that all non-CC data or passwords were NOT encrypted:

"The entire credit card table was encrypted and we have no evidence that credit card data was taken. The personal data table, which is a separate data set, was not encrypted, but was, of course, behind a very sophisticated security system that was breached in a malicious attack"

While the author was wrong on this part, I totally agree with everything else said.

The media (unsurprisingly, considering how they've always treated the PS3) was quick to take Sony's statement of the possibility of leaked CC data and turn it into "fact" before it became an actual fact that CC data got leaked in encrypted form.

And you certainly can't blame Sony for protecting their interests and IP. GeoHack was freely distributing someone else's IP and accepting "donations" for the activity, court case, and vacation time (Can't afford lawyers but suddenly a vacation out of country? PFFFT).

joeorc5536d ago (Edited 5536d ago )

that is what really Baffles me...Sony is the only one out of the Three that is a founder an supporter of a Opensource OS!

I MEAN PEOPLE; THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SEC..THE ONE COMPANY OUT OF THE 3 that did not only Support an Open source OS, but also Allowed people to load that OS right from the start.

People still claim that is was for trying to get past laws in order to Avoid paying taxes on the Game Console...that did not work for the PS2 by the way an it was ruled well before the PS3 ever was released. Even if you try'ed to change the Law which Sony was not able to do since the PS2 that does not explain why if it was just for try'ing to get around paying import tax when they would still have to pay it anyway.

that you would put it on the system..but wait the PS3 did not have linux preinstalled!

the END user had to load it up on their Own, an it was through the PS3's own XMB with out the XMB Linux cannot be loaded on to the PS3 an Run without the XMB.

Well some would say to increase sales. Sony ran no TV ad's, or even web ad's also than many like to claim, was not an ad it was to tell people instructions on How to install it if you wanted. It was in the Manual anyway.

Sony was not anti-consumer because if they were why offer the option to install even in the first place?

as a selling point, Sony never promoted it in a real proactive way in any Public Ad's

Like I stated Before they are to this day supportive of Opensource OS platforms for products.. they are a Founding Member of the Open Hand Set Alliance!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

which has been started since 2007 well before Sony had to remove Install Other OS out of the PS3..Do people really think Sony wanted to remove Install Other OS with their support of Open OS platforms....really?

some say cost or support the Linux OS..hello support what? they gave you the end user the option through the XMB to install it if you wanted Linux is a free OS!

but yet people target that an a free network service with Hacking attempts to the Consumer's this Hurts the Consumer More in these Hacker's actions just as it Hurts Sony.

AN the fact that THIS PSN was free AN the Company an The Consumer's who use this product was attacked, by Hacker's that stated they were fighting for consumer rights. when out of the three Sony is the only one that Supports Opensource Platform OS in the first place?

that makes no d@mn sense to attack Sony an the Consumer's!

So thanks for this post OP on your blog..I would like to say thanks for posting such a good post informing the people reading it to stop an think about things than going off the Handle about the situation. Yes its bad the info may have been taken, Im upset myself, but this is not something we all have not seen before nor will it be the last all you can do is try to protect the data from being taken the best way you can an I think Sony is taking a proactive measures to do so.

fin-

AtomicGerbil5536d ago

Great blog, nice to read some common sense for a change

pupa5536d ago (Edited 5536d ago )

So much senseless hype and garbage about this saga on NG4 and everywhere. It's is actually only the second level headed article I read apart from the Sony Faq's.

Well done.

There yet have to be proven facts unearthed whether anyone's credit card was abused due to the Sony PSN breach, I do not call the few claims we saw any prove, which may even be individuals them-self trying to blame on Sony after they abused their own CC account or due to their own negligence. How convenient. I would have thought there would be a wave of fraudulent expenditure by now with the millions of PSN users who's information was breached but the CC issuing companies as yet saw no changes in trends. So for now I believe Sony. Hell some idiots even blame their spam on Sony and they always have a few "friends", they add,that experience the same tendence.

blackburn55536d ago

A drop of sense in a sea of ignorance

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