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Chaostar

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Disc Swapping and the Variable of Choice

We’ve all seen the argument before, a game comes out on PS3 and Xbox with the latter version arriving on multiple discs spurring the ‘system fundamentalists’ into an immature back and forth flame fest. The likelihood of somebody mentioning RROD or lack of cross-game chat growing exponentially by the second and, as tempers soar and IQs dip, chances are high that innocent commenter’s will end up covered in the sticky residue of ignorance.

The aforementioned argument has seen more than its fair share of ridiculous comments and, although I think offering a logical resolution would prove futile, I’d like to try and clear up some points in the hope that I can provide a metaphorical wet-wipe to future N4G readers.

It all comes down to one word, a word that is incredibly important but so often taken for granted, choice. When you need to make a decision you weigh up the pros and cons in your mind or even make a list, if you’re that way inclined. For some the choice is simple they have ’heavy’ reason to make one choice over another; small minded people find themselves in this situation often as they tend to remove variables from any thought they have to do. Do you see where I’m going with this? That’s right, as with religion and politics, fanboyism is one big choice that removes the need to make more, just as important, choices down the road. Unfortunately the people that make the choice to remove choice need to ‘block out’ any reference of opposing points of view or risk having to actually think or worse, admit that they were wrong.

Anyway, the point and decision I want to analyze today is the choice of console on which to purchase you next multi-platform game. Let’s go back to the weighing analogy for a second and imagine you have your scales, with PS3 on one side and 360 on other. Assuming you aren’t tainted by irrational bias, when a game approaches release that is identical on both platforms the scales should be exactly even right? OK, now imagine the developer announces the game is coming on 3 DVDs on 360 and 1 Bluray on PS3, would the rational mind consider this a ‘weight’ to be used for the PS3? Of course it would, who wants to get up to change discs, even if it is only once in 40+ hours of gaming. Not only that, multiple discs just give off this air of inferiority, as if technology hasn’t advanced since 1995, although that’s more of a personal side note.

However, this ‘weight’ is often over exaggerated in comments sections to the point that it would make any other factor redundant. This is just as much a statement of ignorance, from the overly zealous hater of choice, as dismissing it altogether. In the end all it boils down to is another variable in a, sometimes complicated, equation of choice, which, should you choose to dismiss, will skew your final result. It’s like my mother always said to me...

“Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control.”

Nate-Dog5304d ago

I've always wondered myself how some people here put so much weight behind the "OLOLOLOL DISK CHANGING" argument. I get that really MS should be using something more advanced to avoid issues like this but people really do act like (and some perhaps even believe) it is the end of the world when one has to get up off their chair to eject a disk and put another one in to continue a game. Since I have gotten an X360 at the end of last year I have appreciated the ability to be able to install your games manually onto your HD, the extra speed (and less noise) is much appreciated, especially after having ridiculous noise issues with my 60GB PS3 (although thankfully with my new slim I haven't had any such issues for a long time). Sure I have to get up this or that many hours to change the disk with some games but it's incredible how vindictive some are of those that defend that system of disk changing, or even those that are indifferent to it.

WrAiTh Sp3cTr35303d ago

I understand people's complaints of disc changing because I like having entire games downloaded to my HDD that way I can quick launch from my button browser. What I don't understand is those same people that are against disc swapping are the same people against digital downloads which eliminates disc swapping/changing all together. So when I see someone complaining of disc swapping ,which takes a few seconds at the most, and making the argument of one disc, I roll my eyes knowing I've spotted a fanboy. But like I said, I prefer having a game downloaded to my hard drive because switching between games is a joy by not having to get up to change the disc. So you people claiming one disc is better, you still have to get up to switch the disc to play a different game unless you only play or only own one game on disc.

BlmThug5303d ago

I just install al my games on to the HDD so it doesnt effect me

Megaton5303d ago

You still have to swap discs even if you install both. At least that's how Mass Effect 2 worked on 360.

The Matrix5303d ago (Edited 5303d ago )

Yeah you have some good points. While I roll my eyes when games like L.A. Noire and Rage come out with 3 discs, it also isn't THAT much of a hassle to switch out the discs. I think you nailed it when you wrote "multiple discs just give off this air of inferiority." Also, when I see games like Fallout 3 have the most massive game world with tens of thousands of lines of dialog fit onto one disc I just think it is laziness on the part of these developers to be satisfied with 3 discs.

JellyJelly5302d ago (Edited 5302d ago )

If you look at Rage the PS3 version requires a 20 min install and doesn't perform as well as the 360 version (even when not installed).

I'd gladly change discs once or twice during those 10-12 hours if it means getting the superior experience of the game.

Also, the ability to install full games on the 360's HDD makes almost all single disc games have reduced loading times and run better (faster texture streaming). It's funny that this argument never gets any attention.

M1chl5302d ago

"Also, when I see games like Fallout 3 have the most massive game world with tens of thousands of lines of dialog fit onto one disc I just think it is laziness on the part of these developers to be satisfied with 3 discs."
This sir is a great mystery. I have just fisnished Rage. It took me about 10 hours and this game is graphically nothing special and there are only few voices and almost not cutscene whatsoever. Why on the earth does have to take 22GB of disk space? Recently I played Fallout New Vegas which is with all DLC about 6Gigs on X360, I spent there about 200 hours, there is a shitload of dialogues, items, places, etc, etc and doesn't look much worse than Rage. Just Cause 2 is about 4GB same goes to Assassins Creed 2. After playing this games, its pretty hard to believe when devs saying blu ray isn't enough...

iagainsti1205301d ago

It uses so much because their is a lot more art. Nothing in the environment is the same, such as you will not find one rock that is identical to another.

plmkoh5303d ago

I don't really understand the point of the this blog entry, you say that when you have a game with a "release that is identical on both platforms" and when you need to "make a decision you weigh up the pros and cons in your mind".

Fair enough...

Except that if you the only thing differentiating between the two choices is that "the game is coming on 3 DVDs on 360 and 1 Bluray on PS3", what's wrong with seeing a disc change as a flaw "even if it is only once in 40+ hours of gaming."?

If you didn't you'd be stuck between the two choices indefinitely. Look I think I know where your trying to get at and quite frankly I agree, the issue is superficial.

Chaostar5303d ago

Hmm maybe I wasn't clear enough there, I wanted to convey the point that it IS a deciding factor (or flaw in your words) but just a small one in a myriad of variables. If it was the only factor in a perfectly 'balanced' game then, yes, you should definitely go with the one without disc swaps.

WrAiTh Sp3cTr35303d ago

But you know you've spotted a fanboy when they will still choose the 1 disc version even if it's the inferior version, over the superior one that happens to be on multiple discs.

plmkoh5302d ago

Why would a fanboy have the choice between two platforms in the first place, paradox much?

Megaton5303d ago

It's not a dealbreaker but it's a bit of a nuisance at times. It can really take you out of a good game. I was playing Mass Effect 2 and it happened at a really bad moment near the end of the game.

"Let's go through the Omega 4 Relay, rescue the crew, and stop the Collectors once and for all!"
*INSERT DISC*

It's just an antiquated process from the early days of disc-based gaming. Something that wouldn't have been an issue had Microsoft decided to back HD-DVD or BluRay as standard, instead of sticking with the past in DVD.

Captain Tuttle5303d ago

All MS has to do is have one game as the "Play" disc and how many other discs as the install disc. It's how it's done on the PC and those games are technically vastly superior to anything out on the consoles.

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