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N4PS3G? Debunking the Myth... With 'Science'

There’s a ‘popular’ opinion that crops up in comments sections around the Internet; its familiar inflection repeating, like an annoying ringtone in a cinema. It’s the sound of one set of fanboys making ridiculous claims against another set. While there are many examples of this in the gaming world, this one stands head and shoulders above them as a shining example of how a biased mind perceives the world differently. I am of course talking about the incredibly ‘witty’ (on par with “IGNorant” lol) term... “N4PS3G”.

Before I go any further I’d like to point out that I’m not singling any one set of fanboys out over another, they’re both equally moronic, thanks.

“N4PS3G”, what does it mean? Let’s break it down. Basically, it’s the crude squashing-together of two abbreviations, N4G (News for gamers) and PS3 (Playstation 3). Its purpose is to suggest that N4G is so oversaturated with PS3 fanboys that it is somehow affiliated with them and should be re-named accordingly. So, in essence, what we are dealing with is a conspiracy theory and, like all theories, it needs to be put to the test. In which case, what better way to get to the truth than with ‘science’ (since it worked so well in my last blogs ^_^)?

So here are the terms of the test:

I will pick two positive and two negative articles aimed at both PS3 and 360, so a total of 8 articles will be scienced.

The comments section will be scoured with a fine, scientific, troll catching comb and trolls from both sides will be tallied. Only the first page will be used and only comments marked for trolling.

After all trolls are tallied from both positive and negative articles we should get a small picture of the culture here at N4G.

Here are the articles:

Positive PS3
http://n4g.com/news/787231/... 1 xbox troll
http://n4g.com/news/762850/... 1 xbox troll

Negative PS3
http://n4g.com/news/761938/... 1 xbox troll
http://n4g.com/news/760207/... 2 xbox trolls

Positive X360
http://n4g.com/news/806512/... 3 PS3 trolls, 2 xbox trolls
http://n4g.com/news/805911/... 3 PS3 trolls, 5 xbox trolls

Negative X360
http://n4g.com/news/806058/... 1 xbox troll
http://n4g.com/news/805962/... 1 PS3 troll, 1 xbox troll, 1 guy raging at both consoles lol

Total
14 xbox trolls, 7 PS3 trolls

So there you have it, if it really is “N4PS3G” then why would there seem to be twice as many xbox trolls?

OK, OK, so that whole test is fundamentally flawed and I’ve probably just wasted your time (and my own) on a bad joke but, in all seriousness, there is an underlining point to what I just did. You see, because I went through and ‘cherry-picked’ the articles, I’m demonstrating the very same behaviour I’m trying to dispel. When a person ‘likes’ something it becomes a part of their identity, what size a part is up to the individual but my point is that you recognise, more prominently, negative opinions towards things you ‘are’. It’s a natural evolutionary tactic used to predict attacks based on peers attitude toward you personally. Trolls are trolls because they have taken their system of choice as a part of themselves and, naturally, they highlight negative aspects in the opinions of others as possible personal threats. This means that they tend to go through comments sections and ‘cherry-pick’ all the opinions that they disagree with, which means they never get an accurate picture of both sides of the story. When you take something like a console as part of your personal identity all you will see is negativity and so it would appear the world is against you, which breeds paranoia, which leads to comments like “now watch all the xxxx fanboys come in here and tear this apart”.

Right, I think I gotten my message out there, remember...

When you say that one set of fanboys are worse or outnumber another set, what you are really saying is that because you have taken your console of choice as a part of yourself, you are afraid that the negativity you have perceived will result in a personal attack... in other words you are scared and paranoid.

Thanks for reading

dedicatedtogamers5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

I think members of the site would rather write off news clips by saying "lol! N4PS3G! lolololol!" instead of engaging in actual analysis and discussion. It's easier, after all.

Plus, people here have a habit of only analyzing things when it suits them (for instance, the recent 500k NPD sales of the 360 gets praised, but then we ignore worldwide sales).

SilentNegotiator5387d ago (Edited 5387d ago )

It really is more pathetic when people spend 90% of their comments whining about ps3 fanboys as opposed to discussing games. And frankly, it's a lot more even - in terms of the number of fanboys from either side - than "certain" fanboys would have you believe.

The fanboys who use terms like "N4PS3G" and "SDF" are usually these same people who spend most of their time complaining about one type of fanboy and even posting these complaint comments even when there aren't any around. They're just trying to start something - they're trolls, and it's sad that moderators rarely do anything about them, but often the same type of people who cheerlead for a different console do lose bubbles.

Plus, it really doesn't help that these people can't tell the difference between usually being on one company's side because they really do feel they're usually in the right, and people just 'defending' a company. I get gruff all of the time for usually agreeing with Sony. But that's where the great games are, the online play is free, and the media spends the most time attacking. But I don't always agree with them; I'm furious with these 'PSN Pass' BS, and I refuse to buy any game with it, on account that DRM will always hurt the customers more than the people they're trying to stop (In this case, used buyers, but usually pirates).

Wenis5387d ago

http://n4g.com/news/806512/...

Don't just look at the comments, but look at the agrees/disagrees. The PS3 troll comments always get so many agrees and hardly any disagrees. Anytime you see a 360 troll comment its the exact opposite.

Now go look at the N4G forums, specifically the PS3 and 360 sections. PS3 forum has 275331 posts. 360 forum has 69953 posts, about 3-4 times less.

Its blatantly obvious there are more PS3 gamers on this site, and the fact that you are trying to go on the defensive about it with a blog is sad.

DragonKnight5387d ago

@Wenis: Agrees and disagrees mean nothing. There are agree/disagree fairies all over the place who do it for "teh lulz" or to just be a jerk.

The amount of forum posts also is irrelevant. You can't claim domination on that basis because you'd have to go through each and every post looking for duplicates, posts made by the same person, and subjects.

Could be that the 360 forums have nothing to talk about. Take an objective look at the 360 camp and tell me what there is to discuss beyond Gears and Kinect right now. People discuss games. And when one side has less than another, you'll see less discussions. It's basic math.

Wenis5387d ago (Edited 5387d ago )

Ah, so a lot of people comment up PS3 troll comments but comment down 360 troll comments, just for 'the lulz' then. I guess that could be considered trolling as well, as it simply encourages those types of comments.. which would mean there are more PS3 trolls then. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Oh and about the forum posts being irrelevant... nope. I think its safe to say the average PS3 gamer talks about PS3 stuff, and the average 360 gamer talks about 360 stuff. So when the post count in one forum is four times higher than the other, I think the correlation between that and the amount of PS3/360 gamers is quite obvious.

"Take an objective look at the 360 camp and tell me what there is to discuss beyond Gears and Kinect right now."
Good point, however the flaw is that the forums have been active for years now, so unless suddenly all 360 activity completely stopped and the PS3 activity shot up drastically just because 'theres more to talk about', the PS3 forum has been far more active for quite a long time, even when the 360 did have many games on it's horizon.

DragonKnight5387d ago

"which would mean there are more PS3 trolls then"

No, all it means is that there are idiot trolls. There's no way to discern which side.

"So when the post count in one forum is four times higher than the other, I think the correlation between that and the amount of PS3/360 gamers is quite obvious."

You're forgetting about multi-console owners and the trolls from the other camp making posts. It's not as black and white as you're making it seem.

"Good point, however the flaw is that the forums have been active for years now, so unless suddenly all 360 activity completely stopped and the PS3 activity shot up drastically just because 'theres more to talk about', the PS3 forum has been far more active for quite a long time, even when the 360 did have many games on it's horizon"

Yes they have, and if you look at this gen as a whole, you'll see that the PS3 has had a lot more to offer in terms of games than the 360 for years now. The 360's greatest spark in games was the year it was on its own, and the year the PS3 had a shaky launch. Once Sony hit its stride, the 360 was lost in the wake. Strictly speaking from a games standpoint, the PS3 base has had a lot to talk about for a few years now. It also doesn't negate multi-console owners, and those 360 owners who simply can't get a PS3 for some reason yet do want to discuss the games. Forum post numbers is not a good indicator of dominance.

Wenis5387d ago (Edited 5387d ago )

Sorry, but when a comment trolling Microsft or Xbox gets 120 agrees and 5 disagrees, how much more black and white can you get. Theres no need to continue this back and forth spat, I've been here long enough to realize that there is simply a higher number of PS3 gamers here. There isn't anything wrong with that in it self, but it just means there are also a higher number of PS3 trolls due to simple correlation...

insomnium25387d ago

@ wenis

I've seen way more agrees than disagrees in comments trolling the PS3. I have NO effing idea what you are talking about.

@ silentnegotiator

I believ this industry as a whole is going the route of online passes. All the non-paying cockroaches who buy their games used and still stress the online servers are to "blame" if anyone. I usually tell people to buy their hames 3-4 months from release for a fraction of the price NEW. I find that perfect for all those games you are not absolutely sure wether to get it or not. I have like 10 games in plastic atm :) Not enough time for them all.

evrfighter5385d ago

ya i don't think he realizes that there aren't enough 360 gamers around to report trolling than their are ps3 fanboys marking everything they don't agree with trolling.

this happens plenty of times with me and I'm not even a 360 fanboy.

kikizoo5385d ago

More ps3 players don't mean more trolls, it's just logic (in 2011) desperated trolls are most of the time xbox players, with multiple accounts, and if they have more disagree it's because they are most of the time lying, when "ps3 trolls" are trolling with truth !! (when someone say "ps3 has more exclusives" or "better graphics" even if this is not related directly to the subject, it's the truth and people agree with the truth (normal people) when a liar said "move is a failure" "ps3 don't sell" "ps3 can't make better graphic than xbox", only other desperate fanboiy in denial agree with him...see the difference ?

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Gray-Fox-Type05386d ago

pretty obvious run of PS3 trolls,and majority is PS3 trolls. Don't think many Xbox gamers care about this site, they just playing on there Xbox. Whereas alot of PS3 fanboys here..

Jinxstar5386d ago

Wish you were here 4 years ago... This site was dominated with 360 fans. Jason 360, Mart, POG etc... I was down to 1 bub for most of the time being one of the 3 or so PS3 fans...

Anyway pretty irrelevant. Just funny to think about it and see that your saying the same thing PS3 fans did years ago...

Gray-Fox-Type05385d ago

lol perhaps but does not concern me as i play on all consoles :D

Jinxstar5385d ago

Rock on then =D. happy gaming.

artsaber5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

This was entertaining to read, and I hope nobody takes it personal as they do the console attacks.

@dedicatedtogamers - Some people on this site believes the US is the center of the Earth as people used to believe that the Earth was the center of the universe and everything revolved around it. Despite the many Copernicus telling folks this is not so, Worldwide numbers are whisked away as if they were meaningless. People on N4G only recognize facts that help their arguments or make them feel better. It is similar to people who choose to only read certain scriptures out of the bible.

Don't take it personal, just remember that in the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king.

redDevil875388d ago

You should win blog of the month

Chaostar5387d ago (Edited 5387d ago )

lol thanks, i clicked agree and now I feel big headed and presumptuous :P

edit: Thanks to everyone who read the blog and/or commented.

XI_-Minty-_IX5387d ago

Logic? In MY N4G? What is this blasphemy!?

theonlylolking5387d ago (Edited 5387d ago )

I remember when N4G was overrun with 360 fanboys and just people that preferred the 360 over PS3. I say it is about even now for those two but there are defiantly more PC fanboys then there has ever been and there are just people that prefer the PC like pandamobile.

The old N4g you could not say ONE good thing about the PS3 without being marked as trolling. Now you can say pretty much good things about the PS3 and 360 but there are still trolls or just those that have been marked trolling when they were not trolling.

I think it has been called N4PS3G because most of the 360 fanboys have been run out and now hate the site.

Parapraxis5387d ago

"those that have been marked trolling when they were not trolling. "
This happens VERY often.

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