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Angels3785

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The 50% Power Difference that Nobody Understands

This is just mainly to clarify a few things. Mainly with this whole ps4 vs. Xbox one fiasco.
Whether or not you acknowledge the fact of a 50% power difference between the two systems is beside the point as this is not the point of the info I am about to discuss. Im speaking in terms of ANY hardware whether it be 50%, 40%, 80%, 3000% whatever.

Here is the point:

50% (or whatever percent) does not yield 50% better looking games only 50% better RUNNING games (especially in multi-platform titles, but this changes when a game is made SPECIFICALLY for a certain set of hardware). The fact of the matter is in multiplatform titles, games will run on a "core" set of textures that generally is about the same on both consoles (sometimes it is downgraded/upgraded/optimized to fit each consoles needs. But the only place a power difference would be noticed on any hardware is in the pixel output OR visual fidelity.

Meaning 50% better textures or 50% better pixel count. Essentially upgrading texture resolution is not something practical in a development sense it means you have to redefine your "core" or "infrastructure" rather than work around your "core" and even if you could improve your textures 50%, it would not necessarily yield a 50% better image.

So if a game pushes 50% more pixels it shows a 50% gain essentially due to the fact that the console is outputting more information on the "core" of the game at a higher fidelity or frame rate. So if Im running at 1080p @60fps Im outputting 124,416,000 pixels per second while in 720p @60fps Im outputting 55,296,000 pixels per second of the core (about a 44% difference). This makes things easier in development to work around the core and tinker with the graphical settings like on a PC.

When it comes down to outputting better image quality, like a car, at a certain speed you'll need 100 more horsepower to add a few more MPH to your top speed because the air is so thick. Relating back to games..essentially a system may have 90% more power lets say, but it will LOOK around 20-30% better (maybe) due to diminishing returns where the numbers get smaller and the differences smaller when it comes down to processing an image.

Just because you can't see a 50% difference doesn't mean it isn't there being processed by the hardware. If one system runs the same "core" at a higher resolution than another, a difference is present. Its as simple as that even if its a 10% power difference and a visible difference of 1%.

Granted the "core" of a game can be altered in the sense that higher quality textures can be added but it is easier to just mess with resolution for better performance that redo a bunch of textures.

Relating this back to bf4. It makes no practical sense for a game running at a lower resolution to be better looking than THE SAME game running at a higher resolution. Here is why

1) if a developer was getting worse image quality at a higher resolution (meaning more processing power) the immediate response would be to downgrade the image to fit performance needs. So the bf4 developers would tone down the resolution on ps4 if it couldnt handle identical textures at a higher resolution. It makes no sense to run worse textures at a higher resolution because you'll have a problem of "now you can see the worse textures...better" all they would have to do is keep the same texture and down the resolution that the game runs. Saying that the x1 has better textures isn't logical in that sense or the ps4 having worse textures at a higher resolution.

2) anti aliasing at a lower resolution. Essentially more aliasing is needed at a lower resolution to make up for a drop in image quality. It seems x1 has more AA from what I've read, but it is not gonna be noticed as you need more of it to do the same job at a lower resolution.

3) wait for the final head to head in depth comparison and full digital foundry analysis. This will only further prove my point when the numbers start to match on the final builds.

All this comes from 10 years of image rendering ranging from 2D to 3D at various resolutions and applying that at a larger scale. I am NOT a game developer and I do not pretend to know about the complex nature of game making only the knowledge I have about my more basic working and knowledge of basic game development applied at a larger scale. Im essentially looking at what would be practical in a financial and literal sense.

I'm open to any other PROFESSIONALS to critique anything I have said. I have nothing to hide.

black0o4560d ago

quick tip most gamers hate numbers ;)

SnakeCQC4559d ago

gamers seem to love 1080 and 60 lol

iceman064559d ago

Only when they go against their particular argument!!!

Flutterby4559d ago

I am not religious but mother f ing amen about that lol

McScroggz4559d ago

The problem with this is you are stating facts, and the people you are appealing to in this specific instance have already shown that they don't care about facts. Apparently, to a surprising amount of people, a game with its sharpness and contrast turned too high looks better than a more realistic version. The best analogy I can think of is when you go to Best Buy and compare TV's. It's a common practice to have a TV with it's contrast turned really high to make the TV's next to it with a more cinematic setting look better. Clearly either a lot of people have poor taste in visuals, or they are delusional.

Either way, talking sensibly sadly will not matter.

Pintheshadows4558d ago

I think a lot of gamers who have never experienced high end PC visuals do not know what to look for. They see the sharp and harsh unrefined looks as better as they have not experienced a lot of PC effects before.

RandomDude6554559d ago

ummm x1 version has NO antialiasing at all......

Angels37854559d ago (Edited 4559d ago )

It may not seem like it but as I discussed. They need more aa to do the same job as the image quality is lower. Whether or not it was effective is up to each persons impression. But I believe personally that because the ps4 image quality is superior in resolution the aa is a much simpler thing to accomplish.

I even said "its not going to be noticed as you need more aa to do the same job at a lower resolution" in reference to xbox one. So of they both have 2x AA the image with a better resolution would showcase that better. You would need 4xAA at 720p to get a similar image to a 1080p image at 2xAA. however it would still look a bit inferior to the higher resolution as it is upscaled.

MysticStrummer4559d ago

"it would still look a bit inferior to the higher resolution as it is upscaled."

Thank you. It's amazing how many people here think upscaling to 1080p is the same as native 1080p. Upscaling should be made clear on the game box in my opinion.

Angels37854559d ago (Edited 4559d ago )

http://www.red.com/learn/re...

showcases the differences in upscaled vs native 1080p

Pintheshadows4559d ago (Edited 4559d ago )

You sir, know your stuff. Quite refreshing and well constructed to boot. Now if only the majority on this site would bother to read this.

They should also read up on the significance of certain effects that have existed on PC for a bit like ambient occlusion and how that will serve to soften the lighting in the game. They need to get educated because people on both sides have no idea what it does yet they happily bring it up.

They are perceiving harsher, undisguised textures as better as they have never experienced the effect on PC. It really makes everything look more natural and the detail is still there in the textures on closer inspection.

I learnt this first and foremost from playing Metro Last Light on my new PC. It came with it and it truly opened my eyes as to what can be done these days with modern effects. In fact the game is a step above everything I have ever seen. Including Crysis 3. I am yet to play BF4 on my rig though so you never know.

I just played around with the settings in Last Light for a while and the differences I picked out were immediate. Ambient Occlusion bathes everything in a light that is stunningly realistic and dissipates into the enviroment in a believable way. It stops things that shouldn't be shiny under light from being shiny.

The more advanced forms of AA are also equally impressive but I doubt we'll be seeing them on any console any time soon.

It is really educational to just tinker and use your eyes and in motion the changes are evident immediately.

FanboyKilla4559d ago

Im not a computer, im not calculating data from software or hardware. Im playing the game, im looking at the game. My eyes say x1 looks better none of your numbers can change that. As for your stupid staement about a 720p game not looking better than 1080p game lol. What do you think wii u is? So you are saying wii u games in 1080p wii look better than x 1 720p.lol to an idiot and a fanboy you may sound like you know what you are talking about, but im niether. Resolution and graphics are not the same, thats why they are two different words with two different meanings. LMFAO Nice try fanboy. Oh yeah Forza 5 1080p 60fps if u want numbers and i dare you to compare any console game to it.

Flutterby4559d ago

Well your eyes are telling you something 98% of the other ppls aren't , the xbone SP isn't even as good as the PS4 myltiplayer lol you either need glasses or need to stop talking complete and utter bullish!t, noone with any kind of credibility thinks the xbone version is better NO ONE! That's all there is too it, here is a good example if your thought , "I think eating sh!t is tasty and love it" yet 99% if the rest if the world thinks it tastes bad.

Deny all you want but when the higher rez better fps COD comes out and is proven better than the xbone on the ps4 you will still lie but 99% of the work will think otherwise.

Angels37854558d ago (Edited 4558d ago )

Hello I'm sorry it seems we had some sort of misunderstanding about ill quote your comment and dissect the parts of it that I feel either you misunderstood or I didn't explain well enough as I disscussed your points thouroghly in the blog.

"Im not a computer, im not calculating data from software or hardware. Im playing the game, im looking at the game."

-I completely understand because the reality is no one does, but the point that is being made is that on modern hardware you see very easily a difference in power even if it lets say hypothetically 100% greater like a pc gpu because developers are not going to change the "core" or infastructure of the game, but rather the way that infastructure is run. Hence the reason why pc although it looks and runs better doesn't look leaps and bounds ahead like the hardware suggests.

"My eyes say x1 looks better none of your numbers can change that."

-this is personal opinion and I do not comment on perdonal opinion. Its yours to have and hold. I deal purely in numbers and facts.

"As for your stupid staement about a 720p game not looking better than 1080p game lol."

-I never made that claim in the way you are suggesting because that would make me a fool. I said " Relating this back to bf4. It makes no practical sense for a game running at a lower resolution to be better looking than THE SAME game running at a higher resolution" I specifically said "same game " to prove the point that the infastructures of the next gen titles are the same. A bf4 developer could not yield the same textures of ps4 or xbox one on wiiu I mention in the blog how things are tailored per console but as for next gen systems a 50% power difference going in either direction does not constitutebetter textures. The difference is to close to bring out any other efficiency other than a higher/lower resolution to benefit performance. In a practical sense. The os4 is out putting the same thing as xbox one only in a lower resolution. If you don't believe that, lets say for arguments sake its better on xbox one. What stops dice from lowering the resolution on ps4 and uping the graphical fidelity? They have the advantage to do that as ps4 runs at a better res. If the xbox has superior textures dice would be doing some stupid stuff with the ps4 version as they would showcase muddier textures at a higher resolution. Making it so "you can see the crap....better" no proffessional would do that. Especially a developer going for visual fidelity like dice. If they couldn't manage they would have downed the resolution and upped the textures.

"What do you think wii u is? So you are saying wii u games in 1080p wii look better than x1 720p.lol to an idiot and a fanboy you may sound like you know what you are talking about, but im niether."

-I never made that claim or suggested it. You brought that in. And I explained what I meant by it above ^.

"Resolution and graphics are not the same, thats why they are two different words with two different meanings. LMFAO Nice try fanboy. Oh yeah Forza 5 1080p 60fps if u want numbers and i dare you to compare any console game to it."

-they are different words and if you even glanced at the blog I treated them as such. Explaining that a higher res doesn't mean anything when dealing with different games. Not the same exact game. As for forza I believe it looks very good. However the second bit is opinion and I do not deal with opinions. Only facts. You are free to believe what you wish

I hope this helps in your understanding of the medium you enjoy. And please next time refrain from fanboyism on my forums. Thank you.

ufo8mycat4558d ago

Absolutely BRILLIANT article and well explained.

This is the very reason why PC Games don't look THAT much better CONSIDERING the power difference, even though you'd think they would.

10x more powerful does not mean 10x better looking graphics.

And this is also EXACTLY why people should not expect a big graphical leap between current-gen and PS4, as the processing power gap is even smaller then that of a high-end PC.

I expect a lot of people to be disappointed with next-gen graphically because they simply don't understand the above.

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Xbox has always been different.

We started with a simple idea. Games should bring people together through shared experiences. That led to the first Xbox in 2001, Xbox Live in 2002, and new ways to connect, from friends lists and achievements to parties and play across devices. Today, Xbox reaches over 500 million players around the world, with some of the most important franchises in entertainment.

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Itveds12h ago

re-evaluating exclusivity 💀

PS players will need to go back to pretending to dislike Xbox games

pwnmaster300012h ago(Edited 12h ago)

Or meaning since it’s doing so good they might just do everything day 1.

They didnt say re-evaluating their multiplatform approach.
🤣🤣🤣 Xbox is so dead. I know you scared🤣🫵ӿ 97;

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Eonjay8h ago

Even when the topic is strictly Xbox he can't stop talking about PlayStation. Xbox has basically become the hate of PlayStation... and not much else.

peppeaccardo1h ago

This whole mess is the result of bad decisions and strategy from those who have "the vision" inside the company.

pwnmaster300012h ago

Hurt over video games 🤣🤣

Lmao we all grew and got jobs but apparently you stayed home broke 🤣🤣.
Man I love loyal dogs like you. MS kicked Spit and slapped you around but you still come back on all 4s.

Good little boy 🤣🤣

11h ago
GhostScholar10h ago

My only question is what games are PlayStation gamers gonna play now? They don’t really come out with new games anymore. I’m looking forward to wolverine, but after that then what?

-Foxtrot11h ago

Lmao

There’s no way after everything it’s going back, the damage is done

What you are seeing now is the new management telling what the core fanbase (aka…you) want to hear so they are pumped full of hope and are more likely to invest in the next Xbox console

When Phil took over after the awful Xbox One reveal he did the same thing, he told people what they wanted to hear for damage control.

It’s crazy people are getting suckered into this again.

GhostScholar10h ago

I mean I always buy both systems, so none of this affects me.

darthv723h ago

FWIW..... wasn't the new management speaking to the other staff.... not so much us (regular folk)?

CrashMania11h ago

And you'll now go back to again thinking exclusives suddenly matter, that multiplatform is no longer the future, or that revenue from multiplatforms doesn't matter, like all you flop flopping xbox grifters lol.

The whole post just sounds like the previous phil corpo slop talk to me, whole thing reads like a nothing burger lol.

Jin_Sakai10h ago

“re-evaluating exclusivity”

She also said this.

“The model that got us here won’t be the one that takes us forward.”

Profchaos7h ago

I don't know if they have a model anymore it's flipped so many times since the xbox one reveal

TriniOutsider9h ago

It must be miserable being someone like you.

Aloymetal9h ago

There's a bunch just like him but that's what happens when some rely on dreams, hope and wishful thinking. lol

isarai_lee9h ago

"pretending"? Bro gears hasnt broke 1mil on ps5, and starfield hasn't passed 200k, Hellblade 2 was even stated to be a financial disappointment in sales on its own console, let alone ps5. Im not saying people don't like them, but they certainly aren't setting the community on fire, Forza may be different tho

Neonridr8h ago

Forza broke 5 million on PlayStation. So yes. And there's a new one coming soon.

badz14939m ago

if only they make a real physical version of those games, especially Gears, it would have sold more on PS5

Aloymetal9h ago

Xbawx is ''re-evaluating exclusivity''... Translation: After throwing all sort of crap to the wall to see if something sticks but clearly nothing worked, we, including our lord ''in charge'' Phil came to the conclusion that exclusives indeed do matter so please forget if we ever said otherwise.
Yup, I feel it in my gut, next gen belongs to xbox, PS6 is cooked...

9h ago
1Victor8h ago

Someone can’t sleep after those 5 million forza games PURCHASED by PlayStation owners🤣 🧌 💥

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Extermin8or3_6h ago

Well with the decreased price of gamespass even with cod off it there is no way it is profitable given the cost of making their 1st party games (not if you actually include that cost in gamespass costs which they typically dont but should) they will just make a loss without the sales on

Xx_Pistol_xX4h ago

They don't hate the games. They hate the box.

DazaMc2h ago

Forza just sold five million copies on PS5, they have a taste for it now.

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Outside_ofthe_Box12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300011h ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv723h ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

Itveds11h ago

Gonna be a funny world where Xbox games are exclusive and Sony games are not lol

Outside_ofthe_Box10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

Funny world where Sony is pro consumer and Xbox is not? At least according to what you loyalists have been saying all this time 🤭

VenomUK9h ago

@itveds For how many years have you been doing this sad stuff? For how many years have you been creating fake accounts to troll? For how many years have you always been cl vnn

fr0sty7h ago

Pathetic incels with nothing better to do than argue over a box... Because they don't have any good games to play on theirs, obviously. If your precious box is so special, why don't you shut the fuck up and go play it?

Elda1h ago

Sony exclusives will always be better than anything XB puts out.

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CrashMania11h ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

Neonridr8h ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box5h ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Pyrofire956h ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv723h ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

--Onilink--49m ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

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maximusprime_11h ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

11h ago
BeHunted9h ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

shadowT11h ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers10h ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14934m ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

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92nar1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

Is it April fools day again?

The game is dead.

EDIT: the numbers are fudged. “digital sales on Nintendo and Xbox weren’t included in the data”

italiangamer1d 14h ago

🖕🖕🖕 29313;🤡🤡

92nar1d 12h ago

How’s concord 2, sorry I mean marathon doing? 🤣🤣

Neonridr18h ago

well it's not on Switch / Switch 2.. so their number would be zero.

The game had a decent launch however the userbase numbers are dwindling on Steam.

1Victor18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

“ Is it April fools day again?

The game is dead.

EDIT: the numbers are fudged. “digital sales on Nintendo and Xbox weren’t included in the data”

Does it hurt you to hear a SONY game was BEST selling ?
You gotta let go of those OBCURED feelings 🤷🏿

Neonridr18h ago

I mean the only reason MLB was the best selling title was because it was multi-platform. Likewise with Marathon. Will ring true for MS games. Only Nintendo titles are truly flexing their muscles when they chart as they are only to be found there.

S2Killinit7h ago

So that means we are going to act like it wasn’t best selling?

ChunkyMonk6h ago

It's kinda funny how this Obscure guy lives rent-free in your head. lol

Does Phil also live there?

1Victor5h ago

It's kinda funny how this Obscure guy lives rent-free in your head. lol

Does Phil also live there?
I’m sorry did you wrote something smart ?
Or are you trying to to be funny because you failed at both
Now kid run to mommy legs the grown ups are talking.
Don’t bother writing anything I will not respond to a bratty child like you

Outside_ofthe_Box17h ago

Can't wait to see how this is spun negatively. 😜

-Foxtrot11h ago

Yeah sure, yet the player count is no where near what they want for a AAA game with so much money behind it

Why people are trying to spin this game like it’s done overly amazing is baffling to me.

It won’t even be a blip on peoples radars by the end of the year .

S2Killinit7h ago

I really doubt that. I see it getting more and more traction.

ChunkyMonk6h ago

You must me typically wrong cuz those Steam chart numbers (AKA where the game sold the MOST) is less than what Hunt has, and Hunt didn't cost $500 million to make lol

Soy8h ago

So........doing better than most expected, but not enough to make back what it cost.

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