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Will the Next-Gen Consoles Fail?

There is nothing like a console launch to crackle the synapses and thrill the blood. For those who love games, the anticipation of a fresh arrival is an adventure in its own right, a grand hunt across the meadows of speculation and rumor and conjecture.

At the end, we expect to find a great prize, a world-changing event like PlayStation 2 and Wii. We don't set out to corner some miniscule market like GameCube or Saturn. There is a certain necessary suspension of reality, a compact that all consoles are desirable and noble, at least until they are actually in our hands and have an opportunity to confound our faith.

So it comes as a shock when predictions arrive that the next generation – PlayStation 4, Xbox 720 and Wii U – will perform poorly. This week, one analyst stated that the next Nintendo machine will sell only a third as well as the last, while both Microsoft and Sony's consoles will only manage about half as much as the current generation.

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NYC_Gamer5132d ago (Edited 5132d ago )

I believe next gen consoles will be more successful.....i'm sure that the big 3 will adapt to the market and expand with more social features/apps...the casual crowd will play a major part in the growth of the install base along side us core gamers....

StrongMan5132d ago

If you think the casual crowd that bought Kinect will drop $400-$500 for new hardware you'd better think again.

LOGICWINS5132d ago

They will if its marketed correctly. Btw, I doubt anyone is crazy enough to release at anything over $399 this time around.

ElementX5131d ago (Edited 5131d ago )

People drop money for a new iPhone every 6 months, those are the original casual crowds along with FB gamers

StrongMan5131d ago

@ElementX

That's different. Phones are a necessity, video game consoles are not. Smart phones are basically little computers in your pocket. We all use them everyday and all day. Consoles, not so much. Bad comparison. Can't take a console around with me everywhere to call my family and friends or check my emails. Really bad comparison, dude.

ChunkyLover535130d ago (Edited 5130d ago )

There probably wont be a $500 console, and I'm guessing Sony and Microsoft will continue to market current consoles to the more casual gamers, even after the next iterations are out.

Consoles should do fine as long as they are priced right, have some quality launch games and are accessible.

LOGICWINS5130d ago

"People drop money for a new iPhone every 6 months, those are the original casual crowds along with FB gamers"

Just because people drop money frequently on one thing doesn't mean they will automatically be willing to spend on something else.

By your logic, $300 Sony Ericsson phones should be selling like hotcakes since people buy new $600 iphones every six months right?

herp derp

manman65130d ago

@StrongMan But buying a new phone every few month is really not that necessary. Apple just knows how marketed they products that make you think you are getting the next big thing.

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CarlitoBrigante5130d ago

I think WiiU will fail, its a novelty

I think nextbox will fail too, since they will focus only on Kinect

PS4 will please both the casuals and hardcore gamers.

Long Live Play!

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raymantalk15130d ago

the only thing MS are the masters of is spending loads of money on marketing and that is all to be a master of marketing is to spend your money wisely not spending 500 million or more advertising one product, sony may spend allot less on there marketing but they spend it more wisely and they put what money do have in making new products to go with there console not third parties nintendo do the same, sony's only problem seems to be there tv division which they need to sort out quickly.

and dont get me wrong i like my xbox but there is much wider variety of quality games on my ps3 if MS wants to be a master then they should make more first party games and not kinect ones.

LOL_WUT5130d ago

I think only the PS4 and the Nextbox will do good, but i agree with you about the WiiU.

Sgt_Slaughter5129d ago

If you think Nintendo will fail, you got another thing coming. Nintendo is the reason we have the current console generation the way it is... well mainly the strong market share of sales anyway. They single-handed-ly saved the gaming industry after the Gaming Crash of 1983 or 84 with the NES. If Nintendo fails, then the gaming community will slowly start to crash again.

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DeadlyFire5129d ago

You know this only became an issue when games were hiked up to $60 bucks a piece.

I think its about time we see that go back to $50 bucks a piece personally.

I do expect Sony to do better next gen. This gen certainly has been a pain to buy into, but next generation should be easier to get access + more PSN features, easier cheaper game development, and other things all look promising from a concept.

Nintendo I don't know. All depends on if they chose crap hardware or semi-decent okish hardware. If crap I am not buying.

Microsoft. I expect to either push for some new ips or lose some of its crowd to Nintendo/Sony next gen. Xbox Live is nice, but its like sex. If its free elsewhere with less expense. Its more likely you will aim for that. There will be two Online services to face XBL next gen. So something might change.

tdogchristy905131d ago

I would actually agree on a hardware standpoint. Software idk. This past gen was unique with HD and the casuals buying into Wii, netflix, web etc. The only company that has really been able to constantly see consumers upgrade is apple. I just don't see the masses upgrading like they did this last gen unless it's leaps ahead and I just don't see it happening cause we are slowly hitting a wall of sorts. People seem satisfied. Again last gen was just kind of unique and I don't see the same next gen. Sure consoles will survive but they just won't see the same popularity.

PopRocks3595131d ago

Sony and Microsoft survived for quite some time on the core market alone. I think from here on out if any of the big hardware producers bring out gaming hardware, they should focus on the core audience first and casual audience second. Nintendo learned the hard way that the casual crowd is not a particularly loyal one.

ozzywazzy5130d ago

Whether they actually learned is something to be seen. Good points on the casuals and core crowds. The casuals will follow trends hence the momentum going into the Wii, this time around I suspect a very different scenario. Nintendo would benefit by catering to the people that made them the company they are.

linkratos5130d ago

I'm gonna have to give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt considering in the past they have always catered to the consumers that made them what they are. And I know they made tons of money on the Wii, but I think it's apparent to them that they need to continually provide their core audience with games because they finally lost money for the first time in 30 years.

Remember, Nintendo intentionally went with a weak console to capitalize on the arms race between Sony and Microsoft. There is no reason that they will still be a gen behind, every gen is a clean slate. Idk why people keep saying they will always be a gen behind because of one intentioanlly underpowered console.

Hicken5130d ago

+Bubbles. That's all I want the gaming companies to do: don't forget the people that let you survive long enough to tap into the casual crowd craze in the first place.

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DeadSpaced5130d ago

I personally believe what could possibly make or break the systems will be the games available on release day. If we find ourselves in a nice mix of casual and hardcore games, they'll be set. (As long as the prices aren't fatal to my wallet.)

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay17d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn218d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn217d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown17d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay17d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay17d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac17d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger17d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300017d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde17d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde17d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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Pixels in the Blood: The Journey of Rob Hewson

The name "Hewson" carries a special weight for anyone who grew up during the golden age of British computing. As the son of Andrew Hewson—the man behind legendary publisher Hewson Consultants—Rob Hewson didn't just grow up playing video games; he learned to spell his name from their title screens. However, Rob didn't just rest on his family's 8-bit laurels. From leading major LEGO franchises at TT Games to tackling the high-stakes world of technical porting at Huey Games, Rob has carved out a unique path in an ever-evolving industry. In this candid interview Rob to discussed the burden and beauty of a family legacy, the technical "scar tissue" left by the ambitious Hydrophobia, and why porting a masterpiece like Inscryption to consoles is far more than a simple copy-paste job.

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The top 10 best Super Mario games ranked

NE: "We rank the 10 best main series Super Mario games in celebration of the recent MAR10 Day with 2D and 3D included."

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Agent7546d ago

Best 2D, Mario World, best 3D, Mario 64. Can't say there's been a bad one, although Mario World 2 wasn't a true sequel. The Mario Land games were good (not the first one) and also Wario Land. I thought after Mario 64, Mario 3D World was excellent.