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-"When we thought of hundreds of dragons in air, thousands of troops and creatures on the ground, a gritty, dark, and photo-realistic style, and taking controls to a new level there really was no other option than the PS3 -- it was a match made in heaven."

-"I think Lair proves how much you can get out of the PS3 even with a first-gen title if you hand-tailor your engine to the platform and take full advantage of Cell, RSX and of course the motion-sensitive controller."

.......Its just a first party title, and it cannot be done on any other platform, not even 360!!! this just raised the LOVE bar, way upto sky for the PS3 !!!

PS3 games have been in developement for 2 or 3 years just as long as 360's 2nd gen games. Just because the 360 came out early and released pretty good games for the time being; and just because the PS3 being delayed gave them extra time to develope and not have to put out graphically alright games doesn't mean the PS3 will pull ahead. lol

WTF are you talking about. "Think MAn" Prey could not run on PS3 because of "RaM" because it was made for the 360. All the dude said is that the dragon games was tailord to the PS3. He never said the 360 wasn't powerful enough to to play Lair. lol Anyways you're comment actually surrports my comment. lol

Get over it man!! THIS CAME STRAIGHT FROM THE DEVELOPERS MOUTH!!!! IT CANNOT BE DONE ON 360 OR DVD9 FOR THAT MATTER (without losing alot of the game) TGS is Just starting SONY HAS ANOTHER CONFERENCE FROM IT'S HQ IN JAPAN!!!!

IT's all over man take it like a man!!!!

anything and I mean ANY GAME ON 360 CAN EASILY BE PORTED TO PS3 AND EVEN UPGRADED SO STOP SPREADING LIES!!

**factor 5 also said that the PS3 is ultra silent!!**

ooops, my bad, I guess you guys are keeping it relevent to the article. Sorry MS fanboys. It sucks to be you. But to be fair, this guy may be getting a little nudge from Sony to keep the hype machine going....or maybe he is just telling the truth (the truth as he knows it). Anywho, Lair is looking like a game to get. Can't wait.

SWEEEEEEET !!! Everything real-time...water, fog, VOLUMETRIC CLOUDS !!!, fire, smoke and it has WETNESS !!! the dragons' looks will change and get shiny with rain engine running just ike the demo and the pre-rendered looking demo will be with the game all in real time and interactive HOT !!!, HOW AWESOME MAN I'M GETTING ALL EMOTIONAL AND HAPPY AROUND HERE. Simply put...the best on 360 even after a year, in the 3rd gen software lineup doesn't even stand up technically upto PS3's first-gen software. End of story !!!

Prey was made for the PC so the PS3 COULD do it easy.

IGN: For the past few generations, Factor 5 has been leaned towards exclusive games -- namely on Nintendo systems -- is the announcement of Lair an indication that you'll be a PS3-exclusive developer?

Eggebrecht: First of all, we never have been manufacturer-exclusive. We did games for the SNES, Genesis, PlayStation, N64, GameCube, and many others. It's just that we prefer to pick one platform for any given game. We don't like ports that compromise features.

From the technology perspective we are multi-platform as we always have been. We have updated the DivX toolset for the PS3, the Wii, and the Xbox 360 for example. And we do have extremely strong engines on the systems. I think Lair proves how much you can get out of the PS3 even with a first-gen title if you hand-tailor your engine to the platform and take full advantage of Cell, RSX and of course the motion-sensitive controller. It's amazing to work on the most powerful real-time hardware platform ever created without having to worry about porting to other systems.
As for the publishing side of our games, we try to find the best publisher and the best platform for every title we want to create. Sony is extremely cooperative and supportive when it comes to new franchises and that, combined with the technology requirements made Lair a perfect PS3 and Sony-exclusive title.

When we thought of hundreds of dragons in air, thousands of troops and creatures on the ground, a gritty, dark, and photo-realistic style, and taking controls to a new level there really was no other option than the PS3 -- it was a match made in heaven. Sony believed in us and the vision behind Lair and we couldn't be happier with the relationship.
MSfanboys have fun playing on the not future proof and inferior 360 and have fun letting MS milk you with their accessoires. $99 for Wi-Fi while PC users get it for half the price? No thanks MS. $99 for a 20GB HDD while PS3 users get it for half the price but twice the size? No thanks MS, hasta la vista MS Hehe

yah this game looks funn and different, i mite get it, i cant wait for ps3, and your right bout MS milking everyone for money my 360 and accessories were well up there with ps3 if not more, and i already had 2 boxs brake its BS and no good games out yet ethier, that last.

I used Prey as an example. The dev has said the PS3 doesn't have the memory to run prey; PS3 lacks the RAM, look it up. DVD9?. #9 you! funny!. #9 thinks You can't make games if there on more than one disc. lol Rsx Cell BLAH! BLAH! BLAH!.

lair's graphics look pixelly in my opinion... what was that dragon game on the dreamcast? reminded me of that... nice idea, but i was expecting it to look better.

lmao you only seem to read between the lines typical sony drone,if u read the interview correctly he states... Eggebrecht: Lair in its current form couldn't be done on 360. We are using large amounts of Cell's SPUs for all of our geometry, landscape, simulations, animations, even troop AI. When we create a game, we absolutely focus on the platform it is designed around.Yes the platform being the ps3 and the cell processor,ok do u understand,he also states, Would we do one for 360, it would be a different game and a different engine -- most crucially perhaps though: Lair is an entirely different game without the motion control and gesture recognition since it was designed around it.Now no where does he say that the 360 gpu or triple core processor werent powerfull enough to run this game.Now i can see what he means and so would everyone else understand wht he means but u lol well you need to go back to school thats not if your already at school or lol infant school,judgeing by ur lack of understanding.....

The 360 is not powerfull to play this game, he just didin't want to admitt that, because it would be in bad taste to do so!

lol nice come back not,shows what you know....see what i mean lol typical sony drone..i rest my case

the 360 blows, and the ps3 has much more power BARNONE!@# If you create a good engine for the ps3 it would pee on the 360's.

Lair in its current form couldn't be done on 360. We are using large amounts of Cell's SPUs for all of our geometry, landscape, simulations, animations, even troop AI. When we create a game, we absolutely focus on the platform it is designed around.Yes the platform being the ps3 and the cell processor,ok do u understand,he also states,

I THINK HE MEANT THIS

Remember when the facts got out that the PS2 was not as powerful as the Xbox1. That must of hurt allot of PS2 fan boys feeling really bad. Because you guys are really holding onto the PS3 being more powerful than the 360 thing. We all know the PS3 and the 360 both peak fairly even.

For you guys to be all pumped about this lack luster game shows how bruised your egos have been for the past 5 years.

I will tell you this the game looks O.K. In my opinion it is a renter at best. The pixels are all over the place. And that green haze is horrible. But over all it is a good rep. of what the PS3 can do but it still dose not answer that $600.00 question.
You fan boys are too easy to impress. That is easy to see because you chose the PS2 over the X1.

lol !in 2 or 3 years i see ps3 far ahead while the other one just keeps rotating 360 degrees getting all kinds of patch`s to play catch up.

After all the developer speak about thousands of dragons and all the effects they are using and the power of the cell and the tilting, I thought it sounded like the greatest game ever, but than I watched the video. The video is cool, but nothing like what the developer said. They should stick to rogue squadron, they're awesome at it.

Im not here to attack this game, looks fantastic. But your outlooks on the 360 are completely wrong. Bhai, 3 cores can be ported to 7 SPE's? What are you smoking buddy. The 360 has the cores, with 2 threads each. That cannot be easily ported, but you know what, maybe you should start porting 360 games to the ps3 and make a lot of money. Oh whats that? You dont know what your talking about, pretty obvious. Like the persons link said above (5.2), they are better at different things. Lair COULD be on the 360, it wasnt designed to be there, same with RFOM. That is all very true, they were not made for the 360. Dead Rising was created with the 360 in mind, its not like im going to go around saying the PS3 couldnt pull it off just because it was made for the 360. Theyll both be great systems, with great games, if you dont know what your talking about, please be quiet :).

Glad to see you are enjoying it. By the way, you're as A$$hole.

Now, for the real idiot, Thammer1. You have to remember to take your meds man, everytime you forget to take them, you always say the dumbest things.

The PS3 is about to just knock out the 360 once again. Its so funny what MS has resorted to, trying to sell the 360 in japan!! They are practically GIVING it away! that is jsut sad.
They will be doing the same thing here when the PS3 comes out. The power of the PS3 cannot be denied people. Get over it.
PLAY B3YOND!!

Games developed for the ps3 soley would not be able to run on the 360 in its current forms. That goes for Gears of War or other games made specifically for the 360's hardware. Thats common sense. Its good to hear they are making the most of the ps3's hardware. People who spend over half a grand deserve hardware specific titels to show off their new purchase. But the developers of Prey did state a while back that Prey couldn't be done on the ps3. Not enough texture ram to be allocated is what the reason was. But, I understand why sony fans would grasp onto one aspect of this article. He had an oppurtunity to say the ps3 is the only system powerful enough to do the game. But he didn't. He told the truth. With game code spread out over the 7 spe's....the 360 would have to be coded totally different. Honestly though....who cares? Lair is ranked like 400 or 500 at TGS. Its not getting much excitement at the show. 4 of the top games at the show are 360 games. Thats the bigger news.

P.S. DUSTY.....ATTENTION....This guy JIN KAZAMA is using 2 screen names AT LEAST...But more importantly he is using it for the same reason his last screen name got bubbles taken off. He is using it for personal attacks on other members. Just yesterday he was using Jin Kazama 187....So he gets 8 bubbles to bash people and harass people.

And bilal ....Next Gen is here and now. Xbox/Ps2/Gamecube....their last gen. Who really cares about those systems anymore? Honestly. I'm glad MS is focused completely on the 360.

Here is Jin admitting to using another screen name when his bubbles are full on the other screen name.

10 - my head is bout to explode
JIN KAZAMA 187 - 17 Hours ago | Let him/her speak
everyone is jsut raving about this video. I gotta go home and check this out. Is it on gametrailers.com, and is it in HD? I want to see it in HD.
By the way, i am tellin you guys, none of yall will beat me in this game, all I need is that buggy, it seems to be the best all around vehicle, and all you guys are gonna see is me, kicking up all the mud on your faces. HAHAHAHA,
see you at teh finish line suckas!!!
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10.1 - sucks that he only has 3 bubbles.
DJ - 17 Hours ago | Let him/her speak
We'll never see his reaction to the video. (unless someone posts another Motorstorm article). I just keep repeating it over and over, it looks so good.

Edit: Hah, nvm. =]
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10.2 - Thats alright
JIN KAZAMA - 17 Hours ago | Let him/her speak
I can use my old "JIN KAZAMA" login. I cant wait to see the VIDEO.
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what about the xbox, who plays that now?
as far as ps2 vs xbox power comparison, i think that ur right people have had "bruised your egos have been for the past 5 years."
be careful or u would have bruised egos for the next five years, remeber powerful console means nothing without games.
how can a single game ever justify 600$ price tag , this argument is lame. no matter how wow a game have 1 game cannot justify any consoles price...
if u think halo 3 justify 400$ alone, it doesnt.
but halo3, gow, forza, lost ods, and other geat games as a collection may justify its price... it is same for the ps3 (white knight, dmc4, mgs4, ut2007, ff13, resistance, lair.....)

your right bro but don`t forget playstation already has a vast amount of AAA games franchise locked down.same thing with nintendo ,well and for the other she`s really trying but i think she`l take another beating one more time.Atleast it`s not gonna be sooooooo far apart like last gen

I suddenly don't question the '35% finished' status of the game. First off, they need to tone down the HDR and focus on making the environments more compact and artistic. I actually don't like the style of the architecture.

I've seen the new trailer and what they're aiming for, but the game itself needs to have a more realistic feel (flaming fireballs flying everywhere can't be taken seriously). Hopefully after the reception and comments from TGS they'll go back and rework the title (like what happened with Motorstorm and Resistance). I like the vision, but it just needs better execution and a more cinematic feel. In this particular case it shouldn't look like a videogame; it should look like a movie.

1st GEN GAME PS3
LAIR,MOTORSTORM.HEAVENLY,MGS4 ,RFOM,ECT FANTASTICO DAMN CAN'T WAIT

WHAT WILL BE LIKE IN 2ND GEN GAME CAN'T WAIT

LAME FOR 360 2ND GEN GAME GO TO GAMESPOT SEE IT FOR YOURSELF SO LAMEMEEEEEEEEEEEEE TO BAD IM ON SONY SIDE. 360 FANBOY WE FORGIVE YOU IN ADVANCE ITS OK YOUR JUST JEALOUSESSS....

360 IS TRYING HARD JAPAN 360 IS JUST BARGAIN LIKE SWAPMET LOLOLOL DUDE 1 YEAR SINCE 360 LAUNCH ONLY WHAT 5 6 GAMES ARE OUTSTANDING

When you get your PS3 I do not think you would like to be teased if it broke. Would you? And for real this game is not all that. If it was on the 360 I would feel the same IT IS A RENTAL AT best.
*king boy*

You’re still ignorant. It is good thing the 360 can be patch with improvements. See us 360 owners get back stage passes to events like this. So far dude there has yet to be some thing gamer related the really answers that $600.00 question. You guys are sold only because you are die-hard fan boys. Even my wife says this game looks like crap and she is less experienced than most of you 12 year olds. Just because you pour syrup on S#1t don’t make it pancakes. You guys are riding the bandwagon till the wheels fall off. LOL

I see your login has been banned, is that why you arent using that anymore, now its TOPGAMER. So, please, shut up.
Anyways, the power of the PS3 is clearly evident, and anyhting the 360 can do, ps3 can do better. But there are games that simply cannot be done on the 360, which are being done on the PS3. If they would come to the 360, they will be downgraded a lot, thats just a simple fact, but a painful one to 360 owners.

I am not hiding the fact that i had that other screen name fool. it doesnt take a genius to figure that out!!
I use one or the other. Thats all. Now I am using this one, i dont use both at teh same time. so shut up.

TOP TEN TGS06
MOST OF THEM IS PS3 TITLE
#1 SPOT MGS4
WOTWOTWOTWOT EAT THAT SUCKER

lol !what is he talking about.your sure ur not in space,please comeback to earth.let me just make this clear to all 360 fans.i get to play all ur great AA titles before many of u in here.i played the 360 before u even saw it with ur eyes,so just chill and let it go.i`ll be playing ps3 next month exactly about 3 weeks from now while u in here b*tching about specs

i am gonna contact the police..lol

by the way those are not the only 12 year olds. top gamer/real deal, mart, and prologic II are also 12 or less...

Amazing, just stunning :)

Anyway, that was a pretty good read. I don't know if a title like that can bring me to spend money i don't have, but it sure makes me wish i had the cash.

lol lair's 'coming out party'.

When I eventually purchase a PS3, this is one of the first games I will buy.

You must have failed reading and comp in elementary. I know what is coming out for the PS2 but it really doses not matter because the PS2 is old news now.

You act like I don’t read the same news as you or something. Your mind must be warped if you think that just saying that a console need great games makes a point. The PS2 sold allot because of popularity and the brand name to children and only had a 1.2 attach rate. The Xbox sold fewer consols but had a lager attach rate of like 4.5. You do the math. Currently the only thing the PS3 has going for it is you bleeding fan boys who would drown yourself before playing with an Xbox.

You must have forgotten that we are all gamers who want the best out of our consoles. The Xbox was the better choice for people who wanted better graphics and quicker load times and all around better 1st party titles. The PS2 was better for kids and Japanese RPG freaks. I will never say the PS2 was crap it just was not really the mature gamers choice. The X1 was perfect for mature and graphically picky gamer.

Your ego is bruised because you wanted the PS2 to prove to be the best choice but in the end it was not. The 360 is awesome and we still need to see more from the PS3 to be completely sold. Sorry if the truth burns you. ! HOT!

Hey fellow 360 owners, XBOXYDE is a 360 site with alot more info, screenshots, vids, etc... It is way better than N4G so go check it out. No more flame wars with Sony's roadies. PEACE!!!

Since I have been called out I guess I will address the 360 fanboys/Sony hater's

First off let me make you aware that I KNEW THIS GAME WOULD BE HUGE!!!! (check my avatar and past post for proof!)

richie007bond and anyother hater: "Now no where does he say that the 360 gpu or triple core processor werent powerfull enough to run this game.Now i can see what he means and so would everyone else understand wht he means but u lol well you need to go back to school thats not if your already at school or lol infant school,judgeing by ur lack of understanding....."

No need for the persoal attacks, but I take them as a compliment and proof that ALL THESE AAA TITLES BEING RELEASED (exculsive to PS3) has really fusterated you and your friends!!!

That's said let me point out to you some facts that will make your little post irrelevant.

A."I think Lair proves how much you can get out of the PS3 even with a first-gen title if you hand-tailor your engine to the platform and take full advantage of Cell, RSX and of course the motion-sensitive controller. It's amazing to work on the most powerful real-time hardware platform ever created without having to worry about porting to other systems."

Um... in case you didn't catch it "most powerful real-time hardware platform ever created"

but wait a second how would fatcor 5 know this they have never tried to do anything on 360 yet..................

B.)From the technology perspective we are multi-platform as we always have been. We have updated the DivX toolset for the PS3, the Wii, and the Xbox 360 for example. And we do have extremely strong engines on the systems.

Count em my frined that's all three next gen platforms and guess which one Factor 5 (one of the most talented developers you could name) decieded to put it's flagship groundbreaking, vastly innovative and graphical powerhouse on? Hmmmmmmmm

C.) well let's find more evidence that this game could only be done on PS3.........

"As for the publishing side of our games, we try to find the best publisher and the best platform for every title we want to create. Sony is extremely cooperative and supportive when it comes to new franchises and that, combined with the technology requirements made Lair a perfect PS3 and Sony-exclusive title.

When we thought of hundreds of dragons in air, thousands of troops and creatures on the ground, a gritty, dark, and photo-realistic style, and taking controls to a new level there really was no other option than the PS3 -- it was a match made in heaven. Sony believed in us and the vision behind Lair and we couldn't be happier with the relationship."

**Just in cased you glanced over it, "When we thought of hundreds of dragons in air, thousands of troops and creatures on the ground, a gritty, dark, and photo-realistic style, and taking controls to a new level there really was no other option than the PS3 -- it was a match made in heaven."

Umm NO OTHER OPTION!!!!!!!

D.) What's that you say.... Not enough proof yet?....... Ok I will go on, but it don't get any better for MS fanboys

"The PS3 challenges the developer on all levels -- and I mean that in a positive sense: There is this massively new CPU that seems to have almost unlimited power -- the more programming time you throw at it the more power you get. There is the GPU, which is so flexible due to the parallel Vertex and Shader units that you can implement any effect ever dreamt of in several ways. The hard drive and Blu-ray can be used to stream enormous amounts of data."

Well this statement is just really HUGE!!! I guess I will need to break it down for you.......

**Let's start with Cell ( which you say is only a little bit better than the 360's CPU) "There is this massively new CPU that seems to have almost unlimited power -- the more programming time you throw at it the more power you get"

ALMOST UNLIMITED POWER, hmmm don't see ANY and I do mean ANY 3rd party developers saying that about 360's hardware!!!! But let's go on

** And now on to the GPU (which many MANY MS fanboys say it is weaker than the 360's)

"There is the GPU, which is so flexible due to the parallel Vertex and Shader units that you can implement any effect ever dreamt of in several ways."

WOW they stray away from Power and now talk flexibility hmmmm well that doesn't soundground breaking......until "you can implement any effect ever dreamt of in several ways"

Now we have almost UNLIMITED POWER AND DREAMY FLEXIBILITY....... That's what I call a developers dream BUT THAT"S NOT ALL

I hope your still with me....

** Let talk Hard drive and Blu Ray (We all know how you feel about Blu Ray, you know how it has NO USE FOR GAMES)

"The hard drive and Blu-ray can be used to stream enormous amounts of data."

Well that doesn't sound SO great, maybe that will be PS3's downfall........ I DON'T THINK SO!!!

Your not seeing the big picture, WITH Blu Ray and a standard Hard drive in all units we now have a way to STREAM THE LARGE AMOUNTS of (HD) data coming from the almost UNLIMITED POWER OF CELL and DREAMY FLEXIBILITY OF RSX...... ahhhhh now it's all coming together........

Now let's put the icing on the Next-Gen cake shall we...... "All of these things add up to a completely new paradigm"

Hmmm COMPLETELY NEW PARADIGM, I guess that is a way to say a COMPLETELY NEW (OR NEXT) GENERATION?

E.) and this brings me to my fianl comments, I know you 360 fanboys so well, your "come-back" will be that Factor 5 is part of PS3's big hype machine, Sony's paying them to say that.

See that's where Ms has really messed 360 up. They Thhink that because they have SOOOO MUCH MONEY they can just throw money everywhere and POOF they are crowned winner right.... WRONG!!!! Yes Sony has money too but they use their money better. Get it, Yes you spend more money, but you have spent it unwisely and now you have to upgrade and upscale and price drop and pay more developers....... OR you can spend money wisely and get the most bang for your buck, Sony doesn't have to pay developers when they put their money into giving developers almost UNLIMITED POWER IN CELL, coupled with the DREAMY FLEXIBILITY IN RSX, and a easy way to manage and STREAM THAT POWER (IN 1080p HD PICTURE AND SOUND) WITH A STANDARD HARD DRIVE and BLU RAY..... Now the developers are so excited they come to you thus the statement

"Lair is completely our creation. Sony doesn't go around and ask for developers to work on properties -- they want you to have the vision and then will work with you to realize your vision."

That's Money, time and effort spent wisely and on the RIGHT THINGS IN THE RIGHT WAY!!!!!!!!

This is why on NOV 17th I will no longer own a 360, in other works I JUMPING OUT!!! MS has no direction or focus, they spend all their efort trying to dethrone Sony instead of giving us great products. Add-on HD DVD should be part of 360 from day one!!! Upsacle 1080p after a patch this fall, are you F***ing kidding me!!! I paid $400 at launch and I could have been playing games day one in 1080p but MS held back til NOW? WiFi 99$ over priced!! HDD 99$ way too overpriced and there is no damn choice you can only use that one MS has out!!! Play and charge kit, who the HELL makes a console brags about it being wireless then makes you either buy a shyt load of batteries or pay for "their" 20$ play and charge kit!!!! No standard HDD, so now developers are a$$ed out and we pay for it in the end!!! No HDMI ports, unless of course there a patch and yet another freaking ADD-ON. Im sorry but I bought my last Add-on for Sega and it sucked so bad I won't buy another Add-on EVER!!! Put everything in one damn box and give me the "CHOICE" OF BUYING IT ALL OR NOTHING AT ALL.!!!

And I haven't even spoke about the crap launch line-up or non existant AAA titles for a whole damn year.

I've tried 360 and now I can say how I feel about it because I BOUGHT THE DAMN THING (with games like GRAW, NBA live 06, LOTR: BFME, Saint's Row and rented many other check my gamertag sumtynnaztee)!!! Just because you have blinders on and can't see that MS just gave a pitiful effort doesn't mean I didn't give "the other guy" it's fair chance to win my buisness. I see the games and that's what I want dammit GAMES IN 1080p RESOLUTION BECAUSE I WORK MY A$$ OFF TO GET MYSELF THE 52INCH SAMSUNG HDTV AND IT SHOULD GO TO GOOD USE!!

Now that I'm done venting and clarifing things for you we can all go back to enjoying these great AAA exclusive games

I've always thought mythological games and films with dragons, knights, and all that lord of the rings theme where always interesting. This could be another flagship title for the PS3.

Is this game made by the developers of the PS2 title Draken: The Ancients Gates? That game was pretty good but this obviously beats it out of the park. It definitely beats anything seen on Xbox 360 as of now.

-Typical 360 fanboy: "not true,BS, Gears of War! will win the battle for MS, GOW!"

I'm enjoying my xbox 360 while you guys will be waiting for the PS3 into 2007. Good luck on getting one. This games engine was built for the PS3 and not for the Xbox 360, thats what you fanboys need to know. They may make it on the Xbox 360 and use around 2 DVD9's but i can get off my ass to change a disc seeing as i'm not stupid, fat, lazy or a fanboy. The only game i would get for the PS3 is motorstorm and devil may cry 4. As for anything else on the PS3 it has not intersted me. The PS3 and Xbox 360 are the same in power wise. First party games will take advantage of the console more and offer graphically better games then the third party mutiformat games like EA and Ubisoft. Knowing that i have just sensibly told you fanboys many answers i may get bashed but who cares.

lol by 2008 it will be gameover for u.i know how this site works.the flamming comes in only when there`s a positive thing about ps3.All the 360 fans will just jump in and will be like it`s useless,it`s not looking great or it`s nothing the 360 can do.it`s like they in constant fear and need to proof out their little points..lol!we can do just find without ur @ss.we asked this question and non ever replied.If ur having fun on ur console or thing it rocks ,why read ps3 news and get into arguements?

I just saw some gameplay, and it looks like a fvcking JOKE; horrible framerate, wonky-looking controls, overdone HDR, pathetic looking ground forces/action, etc, etc.

Hi-rez Rogue Squadron with dragons. *yawn*

what u call mature vs kid is not true, both consoles differ in what type of games they have.....,
if one like fps, and third person shooters and games of that sort, which i think you love, i completely agree that there is no better place than your 360 and in the last gen, xbox1.
but i have a very different taste in games
i like rts games on pc, but on consoles i love rpgs, third person action games of the likes of dmc4 etc. and these kind of games (infact quality) games are more abondant on ps2 and i think on ps3 as well.
Although this gap is closing, since ps3 is gettng more fps and 360 more rpgs and games of that sort, nut still both systems have different types of games.
its about choice of games and calling one kind of games vs other as kids vs mature is lame to say the least.

kingboy you really can't comment in any news topic without you and many other sony fanboys saying xbox this, xbox that. I'm also talking to the xbox fanboys as well. To all fanboys, could you please post a worthwhile comment with good grammar. When you want to dicuss something do it sensibly and argue with proof e.g. links, pictures, vids etc. If many people started to do it. This site would become a better place for everyone.

http://www.news4gamers.com/...

I posted this just to let sony fans know...what the ps3 is doing will be done FIRST on the 360. So yes there are 6 announced for the ps3 and 4 announced for the 360. But 360 gamers will get to experience 1080p games FIRST. And who knows what other games will be announced in 1080p NOW. And its not a competition on which system has the most 1080p games. Its just making a point to people like DJ and the Truth...when they both said it wasn't going to happen on the 360. It is....and its happening before ONE ps3 console is even sold. WOW. Thanks Microsoft. Keep up the good work.

...runs rampant!

yeh i posted that news topic so i hope it gets accepted.

Do you think that it's possible to play without the controllers motion functions?

i'm not sure, we just have to wait until this game comes out and so does the PS3.

49 - Can it be? 4 games announced in 1080p for the 360....ha ha ha ha...

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yeah but are they playable.........
read this
TGS 2006: Six 1080p Games Playable on PS3

Lofty technical claims turning into tangible reality.

by 1UP Staff, 09/22/2006

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Even though most gamers won't be able to take advantage of the insane resolutions 1080p provides on high-end HDTVs, Sony's been adamant about supporting the feature -- which only recently became part of Microsoft's plans. While 1UP was visiting Sony's Tokyo offices, Phil Harrison, president of their Worldwide Studios division, he proudly pointed to six playable games running in 1080p at this year's Tokyo Game Show.

Lair, Mobile Suit Gundam , Virtua Tennis 3 , Gran Turismo HD , Ridge Racer 7 and NBA '07 (which is not playable on the TGS show floor, but featured at Sony's private event) are all currently running in 1080p, and Sony expects the number only to increase going forward. Games like Resistance: Fall of Man, for example, are aiming for 1080p support at launch, but have so far refrained from guarantees.
link: http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...
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I NEVER said 360 couldn't do 1080p NEVER! But YOU did say that 1080p wasnt possible on PS3!! I'm happy 360 gamers can enjoy 1080p on 360 even if it's not on the same level as PS3 HDMI 1.3, good for all gamers

if only i had seen that a VERY RELATED 360 news was already there.
NOW people would just flame it to death.

Zelda, Devil May Cry 4, Lost Planet, BioShock, Lair, NG:Sigma, Motorstorm, Resistance, Halo 3, etc.. Will all be mine!

"And sony fans should be happy too. You got games custom built for your system and 1080p games are becoming a reality. Great news for both systems. Even if it only really effects a very minute amount of gamers with 1080p tvs....
"
I kid ;)

"And I don't want to say I've said it all along... But mark my words: there will be no 1080p games."

hahaha XD

patch up to catch up

topgamer you happy now 1080p another add on lol

how exactly is it possible for a console (360 in this case) to play catch up to an unreleased console? if anything, ps3 has to catch up to a whole year worth of 360 sales

while being a fan of the Wii myself(gameplay over graphics...just my P.O.V) theres no doubt in my mind that the PS3 can and probably will cacth the 360 in terms of sales. while still costing more there are alot of ppl out there with the money to buy it and theres alot of people who only shop for whats best and in this case the power of the ps3 beats both wii (GO Wii) and the 360. look at some of the crazy rich rappers out there...surely lots of them own 360's now...but how many will trade them in for ps3's when it comes out? it all just depends on the popularity of the product nationwide.

What happend to the pending story about the 360's 4 1080p games?. #58 you lag in the head.

Translation: Ms has announced the four game list of games that will support the 1080p resolution. To take advantage of this you will have to update your console in a non announced date over xbox Live. Heres the list:

- Blue Dragon
- Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball 2
- Eternal Sonata (Trusty Bell)
- Lost Planet: Extreme Condition

Please note that this is a spanish website or its italian

games will be in 1080p, MS is lying to people. 1080P on a DVD, haha, it takes so much storage for a movie to be 1080P, and you think game content will be made 1080p on a dvd, haah. You'll see, you wont have ANY games in 1080P. They will be upscaled to 1080P at best.

people have been playing at an even higher resolution than 1080p on PC's genius (DVD GAMES). it's called using in-game cinematics over CGI

COULD SOMBODY HUMOR ME??

Xbox360 will have 1080p native as well as up scaling 720p & 1080i to 1080p, so basically EVERY game will be 1080p whether up scaled or native. Will PS3 upscale their 720p and 1080i games? Or will it not have the ability to upscale?? I'M JUST CURIOUS!!!

look at all the Ps3 fans jurk off........
now really i dont care how good looking the game is....i wanna see a good footage of gameplay, that will get me intoo the game

i clicked this link
http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

and im really suprised that the XBOX360 is in allot of points stronger then the PS3......pitty though that xbox360 doesnt use a cd like bray( hate the name btw) cozz looking at the comparison between the 360 and ps3, the 360 can handle allot.

PS3 OwNz all.

"Buy a box, Win a sandwich!"
~xbox360

Whats wrong with you guys... its just games....damn get over it... Jesus....-_-

jib - You got me here. PC's are always ahead when it comes to resolutions, but it's only on small screens and you need top of the notch high end PC with SLI/Crossfire to run next gen games in such resolutions. HL2 is not next gen, but a 2 years old game. And let's not forget as I already mentioned PC games are installed on HDD and don't run only from a DVD.

Complete Package = Full Experience. Bare Minimums = Bare Minimums. its as simple as that. Give me a counter point and i will be glad to give you one right back. i dont kno why you still knocking bluray. ive adopted to it early and its livin up to wut i expected. bluray not needed for games counldnt be a more oppisite. Its really NOT for Space because the is a none issue. "just use more dvds" hah its the devs choice to put there game on a bluray disc or not for the the PS3 because it STILL SUPPORTS THE DVD FORMAT.

BUT puttin a game on multiple discs is inefficient after the game reachs 2 discs then that when the game starts to become expensive.

why?

production is literally doubled. 3 DVDs Triple productions costs. 4 DVDs quadruple productions costs. and all for 1 game. that is what makes games pricey. TIME not the format it is on. FIY Most dev's rent out pressing facilies to mass produce their games becuase its cheaper and safer than buying millions of $ worth of machines when they can spend a fraction of that by contracting

http://xbox360.ign.com/arti...

this is THE biggest load of BS ive seen, EVER. Ok how information is this NOT showing you? If this was indeed true then the 360's would crushin the PS3 from all directions but ITS NOT HAHAHAH. Dont give me that crap that the 360 had a short dev time for than the PS3 because some of you guys have been seriously ranting how great XNA is and how a the average joe can make games for the 360 with it. from that i s would think with that kind of flexibility at their disposal, veteran dev's could have easily made master piece's at launch. but that wasnt the case. this is totally reeking of cow manure/damage control.

sony already stated that every ps3 game, 9gb+ or not, will be on bluray

and i don't know where your getting your facts from but 3-4 dvd's would still cost less to produce over bluray. on top of that, the consumers are the ones paying extra money (bluray drive) just so the games you play won't be on 2 disks

seems more and more obvious how desperate ps3 fans have gotten. for more then a year they have been strung along like a pack of puppies, repeatedly swallowing what ever sony feeds them. their is no point argiung with them, the remamining ps3 fans will never be able to see through all the BS that sony has fed them. they will stick by them, which is not necesarily a bad thing, but to the rest of the world is kinda funny, that ppl are so blinded by their loyalty to a company that has balatantly lied to then over and over again. like i said in a prior post, that its kinda like a battered wife running back to her husband. it would be ok if at least half of them had something important or had a interesting point to say, but the majority is plain garbage, plain and simple. im out. peaz

I think that every one knows both the platfirms are nearly equivalent ..
Of course "PS3" has the edge in terms of the processing power and in terms of storage space because of the "BLUE RAY"....but "RAM" wise and "GPU" wise the Xbox 360 has the edge...
So ne game would nearly be equivalent in terms of graphics, the 360 would have more shaders but the PS3 would have more pixels in objects ...So its gonna be some what similar ...ne game on Xbox 360 can be done on the ps3 ofcoure with complete recoding and vice versa... Its just that the PS3 would have it looking a lil better some times but i dont think its worth spending 100$-200$ more...
But i think i am very happy with my Xbox 360 i think it's gonna have amazing games ...
Its gonna be one hell ova fight this time around

Man, what's up with these people? They argue everyday about the same stuff. The PS3 isn't even out yet and all I see are accusations, speculations, and motherf*****g predictions. Man get out of my face with all of this stupid BS. The fact is that Sony is releasing a product called a PlayStation 3. You'll either pick one up or you won't. If you get one then that's cool. Don't come in here and talk about how MS and Nintendo (good competition) are inferior. If you don't get one, don't come in here on the PS3 section and try to bash on Sony fans. At this point, there's no convincing anyone whether to buy one or not for any reason. I don't think any of your comments will affect the decisions that people are going to make so SHUT UP!

It honestly looked nowhere nearly as good as games like say lost odyssey or blue dragon.

The game was seriously lacking in a number of areas. The textures weren't impressive.. the gameplay look really dull and boring.. the ground battles look very unimaginative. This was a far cry away from the E3 05 video it isn't even funny. Its easy to look at this game and tell its going to end up absolutely nowhere. If that level is actually 4GB of data then I'm sorry thats just pitiful.

Ok now please explain how the 360 has more RAM than the PS3.

The cell has a dedicated 256MB XDR RAM (faster than GDDR3)
The RSX has a dedicated 256MB GDDR3 RAM
Each PU can access the other's PU RAM

The xbox 360 has a shared 512MB RAM
Problem is that IN ANY CASE, the cpu has to go through the gpu to access the RAM, hooray for bottleneck.

Bandwith is faster on PS3 too, except for the eDRAM thing on the 360.

And now, how do you know that the xenos is superior to the RSX ? I mean, we don't even know the RSX's final specs so huh. Even if you believe this rumor launched by The Inquirer (haha.. the same dudes that said that cell was downgraded to 2.8GHz...) the RSX and xenos would still have the same clock speed.

So yeah, i'd like to know how you can state that GPU and RAM are better on 360, really.

''ps3 will recognise emotions and movements"

"ps3 will be twice as powerful as xbox 360"

"ps3 graphics is 1.5 times of xbox 360"

"performance of ps3 is 1000 times of ps2"

"ps3 abilities are 35 times of ps2"

"ps3 will always maintain 120fps"

"ps3 is not a games console. ps3 is a computer.
we dont need a pc"

"ps3 is different from 'xbox 1.5' "

"ps3, consumers will work hard to get 1"

"hardware size of ps3 will be smaller than ps2"

"ps3 will be released on spring 2006"

"ps3 will be sold at a price anyone can buy"

"ps3 and ps2 has life cycle of 10 years"

"ps3, it never copied wii"

"ps3, it may be too cheap"

"ps3 aims to sell 2 billion units"

"there is no difference between 60gig and
20gig 'phil harrison' "

"ps3, we wont be able to catch up demand for
blu ray"

"ps3 softwares are evolving every day"

"ps3 is premium restaurant meal, 360 and wii is
cheap meal"

"rumble is too ancient"

"assasin's creed running on 360 with ps3 usb
pad"

"2d games are not suitable for ps3"

"when asked about launch titles for ps3, 'enjoy
ps1/2 games first' "

"ps3 will still sell 5million units without
games"

"kutaragi, who is 54 himself, sacks employees over 40 for innovation of sony"

"xbox live anywhere is simple concept"

"GTA wont have sales effects on ps3"

REad the post above me. What a fanboy. Stop with teh ps3 bashing its quite obvious NOW even to Xbox Monkeys, the ps3 will be another fantastic console to add to the line of SOny Kingships. nuff said.

We need to stop with the useless conversations, all i know is there are alot of 360 fans, that read websites on ps3 titles rather then played the xbox. I for one will most likely really stop reading up on stuff once the ps3 is in my hands nov 17.

Of all the sony fanboys you talk the biggest load of mince,your so far up sony i dont know where sony begins and u end,both systems have thier strong points,get over it the 360 is just as powerfull as the ps3,grow up and stop with the mindless babble

Liquifiefart Said:"REad the post above me. What a fanboy. Stop with teh ps3 bashing its quite obvious NOW even to Xbox Monkeys, the ps3 will be another fantastic console to add to the line of SOny Kingships. nuff said.
We need to stop with the useless conversations, all i know is there are alot of 360 fans, that read websites on ps3 titles rather then played the xbox. I for one will most likely really stop reading up on stuff once the ps3 is in my hands nov 17. "

Cause everything 360pluswiiequalsps3 say came form sony's camp. Face it there's no replacement for this Killer. Lair is trash plain and simple its not ground breaking. Beside Since when fanboy started looking for games made by Factor 5 as saviors? Why is it that these litte known developers that exclusive to sony keep opening there mouths saying something about PS3 doing things Xbox can't when they never produced anything for Xbox? How much the Sony advanced them to kill themselves on camera? Like i Said before Sony Fanboys are Like Abused Wives.

Xbox 360 Nucca Get Down Or Lay Down.

GOD your talks are soo cheap man!!!

yes you love Ps3...so what ? go rape that thing when you have it at home ok?

Reminds me of Achira. You're level of fanboyism is just plain sad. YOU-A-IDIOT.

Whats up with all the name calling? does it make you feel better about yourselves? If everyone would stop just for a sec, and just read everything you might laugh. I mean come on your fighting over the systems specs, and you think thats going to make or break the system.

What it will come down to in the end is price, That is what REAL people in the world will look at. They don't care about Cell, Blue-Ray, or even 1080p(most people don't even know what those are, muchless even care about them). They will care about price, sorry but not everyone is as rich as people on this site make themselves out to be.

he is such a fanboy and very much blind. Each system will have its strong points. Lets leave it at that.

come on now...you say the ps3 wont pull ahead?? are you serious?? come on now look at it this way...ITS SONY!!! As the years go by sony will jump ahead and the only way the 360 can keep up is to do price cuts.....sigh... and better yet I'll even put money on it that the ps3 will do it

That the $500 version of the PS3 will have HDMI? I read articles that only japan will get that, plus a price drop. Now, I could be wrong, but then again I could be right. On the subject about this game, it looks good but I believe it can be done for 360. When you read what this guy said it's basically built around the PS3's hardware and software. Let me give you guys an example Gears of War on 360, that is built around the 360's hardware and software and the game looks incredible but with adjustments and monifications, this game can be done on the PS3, and same can be said about this game being done on the 360. But I'm going to be happy both ways because I have a 360 and I'm scooping up a PS3 at lauch (that's if I get one, lol)!!! Comment away :)

They,,,(FONY) IS AT IT AGAIN! LYING ABOUT ACTUAL GAMEPLAY! HERE IS THE ACTUAL IN GAME PICS OF LIER I MEAN LAIR!

FAKE CGI PIC
http://www.ukresistance.co....

REAL IN-GAME PIC!
http://www.ukresistance.co....

I havent read any of the last 20 posts, but no doubt there full of sh*te pathetic MS fanboys expressing there rage that their console is sh*te in comparrison to the PS3, so to all you MS ball suckers, here's one for Xbox 360=crap, no good games, it's over for MS bye, bye!

Am i the only one seeing the lair video?...the game looks like a pile a crap!.

Everyone here says they are adults, but when i read your post i just see 15 year old kids sitting at their computers jerking off to pics of the PS3 and the Xbox 360.

its the games that we enjoy, not the hardware we play it on.

most people on this site are ADD. I gathered this idea by the fact that by post 10 people were compelterly off topic and stayed that why till about post 80. Every now and again a true gamer posts" Why are you idiots flaming over a simple game..." to try to get things back in perspective. I've done this countless times. I expected to come to this post believing that I would hear constructive critictism on how the game could be better are that it is progressing well but then I realized that I was on NEWS4GAMERS! I wish there was a section that had a "play area" for people who wanted to flame each other and an "adult section" where people can comment sensibly about what they think a developer is doing right/wrong with a game. The funny thing is I can post a comment when I'm drunk and it be more sensible than 98% of the people here.(98% sounded cool thats why I used that percentage lol) Whether you "Jump in!" or "Welcome Change!" it's all good because you as a gamer is contributing to the advancement of the art of video games. When should be united as gamers considering the powers that be are seriously trying to dictate the type of games that we play. That is the real arguemnt. Not whose system is more powerful but if we will be allowed to game freely as wee know it.

most people on this site are ADD. I gathered this idea by the fact that by post 10 people were compelterly off topic and stayed that why till about post 80. Every now and again a true gamer posts" Why are you idiots flaming over a simple game..." to try to get things back in perspective. I've done this countless times. I expected to come to this post believing that I would hear constructive critictism on how the game could be better are that it is progressing well but then I realized that I was on NEWS4GAMERS! I wish there was a section that had a "play area" for people who wanted to flame each other and an "adult section" where people can comment sensibly about what they think a developer is doing right/wrong with a game. The funny thing is I can post a comment when I'm drunk and it be more sensible than 98% of the people here.(98% sounded cool thats why I used that percentage lol) Whether you "Jump in!" or "Welcome Change!" it's all good because you as a gamer is contributing to the advancement of the art of video games. When should be united as gamers considering the powers that be are seriously trying to dictate the type of games that we play. That is the real arguemnt. Not whose system is more powerful but if we will be allowed to game freely as wee know it.

No bashing towards ps3 fans but I told you that this was going to happen! What makes you think that the XBOX 360 can have some issues with mostly proven hardware and the ps3 won`t have problems with un-proven hardware? Now, just as I said before, there`s only gonna be 500,000 launch ps3`s for north america! Now out of that, how many do you think is going to be defective? I would say about 50,000 to 100,000! i mean come on, look at the ps3`s at TGS and the dev kits at E3 06! Now, having said that, Microsoft didn`t have all of these overheating systems before at E3 "OR" TGS before launch! The XBOX 360 isn`t the only console being rushed to launch either! The ps3 isn`t ready to launch just as the XBOX 360 wasn`t ready back in November 2005! Sony is having so many problems because of them trying sooooo many new technologies like the cell and blu-ray! When the 360 launched, we were still new to dual-core cpu technology and the XBOX 360 has a 3 core cpu that`s 64 bit with dual threads per core(Hyper threading Technology) which is equal to having six cpu`s, 3 physical and 3 simulated! Now what did you all think was gonna happen with un-proven tech? I`m not surprised by this "NOR" am I gonna bash the ps3 for this cause it`s natural for this to happen! But you ps3 fans have admit that when it happened to the 360, you all were on our @$$e$$ about it and that`s why we sometimes come back at you all the same way you did us! I don`t dislike DJ, Kingboy, liquidfiedart or any of you because it`s simply not that serious and it`s all in fun because it`s only games and there`s a lot MORE to life than that right? I come here to have fun and gossip! BUT,,, don`t get it twisted,,, I do dislike sony for all the ps2`s that broke and all the lies that they tell us and still to this day try to tell us the inteligent gamer! If there`s no M$, Nintendo or sony, we aren`t gonna have the GOOD games that we have now! It will be like EA giving us a Madden 2007 which thaey should have given us in 2006! And we have 3 more years to go with only one NFL football game around! Peace out y`all Jigga!

Good article. The game looks OK good graphics. I'm not super wowed or anything. Oh and please stop arguing about porting. A few of you may remember I have a friend in the development industry after the Kojima MGS4 thing where he said it could be done on the PS3 developers that are making PS3 eclusive titles rec a fax on Sony letterhead that states they should please say " this game can only be realized on the PS3." Well not those exact words but you get my drift. Yuo don't even have to believe me just watch every PS3 EXCLUSIVE can only be done on the PS3 , that's what they'll all say.

And can't accept that "Lair" can't be designed for the 360 knowing,how extremely! weak! the Xbox 360 is retard your just trying to satisfy yourself by twisting his words up into your own douche he said they would focus on that particular platform and they would study every GPU and CPU and the core for the Xbox 360 but that doesn't change the "fact" dumbass! that the 360 can't handle those kind of graphics! you "complicated" Moron!.

Knowing your just an M$ fan that only give's his opinions not the facts retard ass! so stfu please? ok Sir Nathaniel you either wouldn't believe the game developer himself or the PS3 specs and between the 360 specs which is clearly the PS3 has way more textures and graphical design so why don't you stop wasting your time and lieing about it like you alway's do ok d1ckwad?.

That the PS3 floating points are much higher then the 360 and you are saying the truth hurts? when really all your feeding these other gamers are rubbish and your own facts in your own fairy tale land that you are in right now

so you can say the 360 is superior when in reality it isn't! so "Get Over! It!".

Now that Jim Ryan is gone just need to remove Herman Hulst from his position! And maybe give Shuhei the position he deserved.

This gen hasn't been the best for games, last gen consoles are still out there and now there's been talk of the PS6 and Xbox Two for a year or so. Many games this gen will be ported to next gen and the cycle will continue. The re-release of the Neo Geo AES+, games on cartridge for £70 ($95), gaming is going back in time. Gaming has gone pricing mad with the high cost of games, consoles and controllers. The men and women at the top are clueless.

It’s always interesting to hear behind-the-scenes stories like this, especially involving veterans like Shuhei Yoshida and leadership figures like Jim Ryan. That said, there are usually multiple sides to decisions at that level. It could be less about not “listening” and more about differences in long-term vision for PlayStation. Yoshida played a huge role in shaping the brand, so whatever the reason, his impact is undeniable.

If true, and I'm inclined to believe it is, it goes to show that Sony lost their way when they became more western/didn't respect the PlayStation origin story. Andrew House and Jack Tretton did great work, but they also didn't try to fundamentally change the PlayStation DNA. Ryan oversaw the death of Japan Studio and a live service direction.

I already figured this, good lord imagine if Shuhei took over instead, would've been a platinum era 😩

I miss the first three generations of PlayStation. The way they turned PS3 around, we knew they meant business. We were all worried for a bit there around launch. Eventually from 2008 they started shifting slowly. But since Yoshida was fired, it's never been the same. Still enjoy my PS5 daily. I got a backlog dating back to PS2 lol So I'm fine but new games aren't as appealing anymore.

It seems like we were thrown on to the worst timeline possible where everything is too expensive and the wrong people were put in positions that makes the world a shitty place. We could have had Shu as the head of PS but we got the shitty alternative. Same goes for everyone in power around the world. Doesn’t matter the company or country the majority of us got the shitty picks and the world is declining like never before. I do think PS can come out of this because of their studios, talent and IP but they need someone more in touch with gamers leading things like Shu was. They’re still the best place for console gaming imo but it could be much better than it is especially without the massive live service failures. The rest of the world I have a lot less hope for right now. Hopefully the pendulum swings back towards the good ole days but I’m preparing for the worst.

There goes illuminati distraction story

So now there's certifiable proof that Ryan was in fact "fired", as opposed to when it was first announced that he "retired", in order to save face.

There's another guy who recently "retired" as CEO of another large gaming company, after doing a dismantling job as lead for well over a decade.

seems legit, the business man, fires the one who has ideas to move the business forward.

Jim Ryan is the reason why we are entering year 6 since the PS5 launch and many of us don't feel like the PS5 has gotten started as yet.

I hope going forward, we will see a return to form.