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Cheating AI is Bad Game Design

Did a Mazda MX-5 just overtake your lightning-fast Polyphony F1 car? Does the enemy have a literal army before you even get a Tesla coil up? Is the AI looking through walls at you? Is a chess game making OUTRIGHT ILLEGAL MOVES? Congratulations you are up against a cheating AI.

PopRocks3595153d ago

I've seen this in a lot of games. Whether it be CoD AI able to snipe you with sub machine guns from a quite a distance away, or Mario Kart's rubber-band AI always catching up and never leaving you alone (not to mention the constant spiny blue shells).

But I'm not as miffed about them. They create challenge. Sure, it's unfair, but so were a lot of older games back in the day. The first Super Mario is downright brutal once you get to the later worlds. And that game was marketed toward children!

Let's stop being so negative. Again, you're right. It's not fair. But it's not really anything to get angry about.

Tastynoodle5153d ago

Sometimes AI has to cheat to be able to offer a decent challege capable of improving the player without playing against a real opponent. Mario Kart on the other hand works in favour of the player too should they fall behind. You'll get your own constant array of stars, bullet bills and blue shells if you're falling behind.

THESONYPS35153d ago

Maybe its just really good AI? lol

ronin4life5153d ago

I personally be live the three shot instant death of harder difficulty early CoD games was just a statistic die roll of "dead" or "not dead."
And then there was grenade spawning anywhere the devs didn't want you to be (or sometimes just for staying i cover more than three seconds.) And I mean literal grenade spawning, not ai characters simply using a lot of grenades... O.o;

ATi_Elite5152d ago

Cheating A.I. is just a by product of Devs not having programmed a good A.I. tree!

They try to compensate for the lack of a good A.I. tree or resources to implements a proper A.I. tree by just having the A.I. "Go all Neo" and just do things outside the realm of the "The Matrix"

Sure nothing is worst than getting 1 shot killed by a Shotgun from 2 miles away but hey that's why that F5 key is there.

To this day I'm still impressed with the A.I. in STALKER Call of Pripyat! sitting back and watching NPC's use tactics and strategy to attack one another then watch the survivors loot the bodies of guns and supplies is just so amazing! Then only to have a pack of Dogs drag the dead bodies off before you can get your loot on is even more shocking!

Best A.I. ever!

SilentNegotiator5152d ago

"Is the AI looking through walls at you?"

This always ticks me off. Like when you're completely in cover, and move to a spot that the AI shouldn't be able to predict and the millisecond you expose yourself, you take a bullet.

That's just bad AI design. I should be able to move unexposed and then get a shot in before the AI spots me from my new perch.

JoySticksFTW5152d ago (Edited 5152d ago )

I played Monopoly on iphone and that junk was cheating like crazy on level 3 difficulty

the AI players were giving each other full communities like Boardwalk and Parkplace and making ridiculous trades just to knock me out, while I couldn't even pass Go. LOL

Higher difficulty should mean smarter trades and strategy; not tractor beam dice rolls to "Go to Jail" or Boardwalk with hotels

I don't mind higher health and accuracy in shooters, but breaking the rules or spirit of the game just leads to gamer frustration.

Demon's Souls does it right. high difficultly that is fair and can be overcome with player patience and strategy.

pixelsword5152d ago

Devs can't win this; if they do all that people ask, they say the AI isn't responsive, if they did it really, really, well so that no one could tell if that's a person or not on the other side, the gamer turns down the difficulty.

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Dark_Overlord5153d ago (Edited 5153d ago )

Cheating AI p***es me off, its a cheap way of extending a games life.

Don't get me wrong, I love a challenge but not when its cheap in how its executed (COD on veteran) I prefer something like Demon Souls, where you die through lack of skill rather than being cheated :)

ronin4life5153d ago

Yes.
I would add Monster Hunter offers a similar challenge set up. ^_^;

FatGayandbald5153d ago

Over the years you realise that 99% of games cheat especially if you play a game on hardest difficulty ,no matter how powerful computers get they still can't come close to beating Gods computers fairly.

ZodTheRipper5153d ago

There are games/genres where cheating AI is neccesary to keep it's challenge for the player ...but there are also games/genres where it's just bad game design. Especially in genres that are built on real life activities it should be a matter of realism who wins ...

CC-Tron5153d ago

Fighting games tend to have cheating AI also. Every fighter including the slow ones move faster than the player. Precognitive throw escapes and counters which if done to the extreme can break a game (Dead or Alive 4).

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Gran Turismo developers to create sound for Sony and Honda’s production Afeela 1 car

The Japanese joint venture’s real-world electric car will include an interior sound created by Polyphony Digital. Deliveries of the production car (which is in Gran Turismo 7 already) will arrive in 2026, starting in California.

vTuro24494d ago (Edited 494d ago )

I had no idea Sony created a whole car brand with Honda. I thought that car they showed off years ago was some one time tech demo to then sell electronics to manufacturers. This is kinda cool. I'm curious to see how it will turn out.

edit: Actually nevermind. Apparently this thing will have a subscription plan. Bruh fuck that wtf.

TheColbertinator494d ago

Even with cars, Sony pisses me off

Junryain88494d ago (Edited 494d ago )

That's alright, I'm sure it'll sound like a vacuum (GT criticism for ages) anyways..

Hypertension140494d ago (Edited 494d ago )

@Junryain88

Your comment makes it appear that you haven't played or seen a GT game since GT5.

GT Sport and GT7 have not only surpass modern Forza in sound, there some of the the best sounding racing games on the market.

Junryain88493d ago

I have all the gt games and completed them fully.

MrNinosan494d ago

Most Electric Cars have optional subscription plans, just like Afeela

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Modern Warfare 3 flooded with cheaters after arrival on Xbox Game Pass

Players are using hacks to gain an advantage in the game, such as aimbots and wall hacks. The first gives a player superhuman aiming abilities, while a wall hack lets you see through walls to gauge where other players are.

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Jin_Sakai655d ago (Edited 655d ago )

“These hacks are typically used by PC players, but those playing on PC via Xbox Game Pass are identified as Xbox players in multiplayer lobbies.”

This is pretty dumb to say the least.

Cacabunga654d ago

All about them headshots for Xbox

badz149654d ago

Gotta pump those numbers up

blackblades654d ago

That's a WTF, they suppose to be labeled as pc users even if its on PC game pass. They mess that up big time.

XiNatsuDragnel655d ago

Oh bad this will be entertaining to watch

ZycoFox654d ago

If AI keeps getting better (and it will) it's just a matter of time before there's more sophisticated cheats even for consoles, and they wouldn't even need to be running on it, I have little doubt about that.

lelo2play655d ago

Don't Gamepass online games have anti-cheat systems?
If not, that's pretty dumb. Microsoft need to fix that asap.

Rynxie654d ago (Edited 654d ago )

They won't ever fix this problem, unless they (developers, publishers, Sony and MS) go after the cheat providers directly. You no longer need to hack consoles to use hacks. During the ps360 days, they were going after cheat devices, but it was a cat and mouse game. These cheating methods were around during those days, it's nothing new, but they kept it under control. Since the PS4/Xbox one generation, they stopped going after these cheating devices and it became widespread. Which I find odd, since they started charging for online play (PS4).

StormSnooper654d ago (Edited 654d ago )

Possibly, this is because the companies were going after cheats because the same cheats were being used to pirate the games, whereas today, the companies use online verification to prevent piracy, thus eliminating the need to go after people who cheat only to gain an advantage in the game. As long as the cheater remains below the radar, and does not completely break the game, the companies look the other way as their wallets are not threatened by it. (that is my completely Uneducated opinion on the matter)

pwnmaster3000654d ago

I mean, COD games was always filled with hackers, nothing new. I can’t blame MS on this. Activision had years to try and fix this. Might take MS some time to make some change.

Rude-ro654d ago

It all depends…
Microsoft’s guidance on how to handle gamepass on pc and their love to force crossplay with pc seems like a them issue.
And they own activision, so it is still a them issue.

StormSnooper654d ago

lol well that sucks.

Is there a reason this happened upon arrival on xbox?

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