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Why Changing Mass Effect 3’s Ending Won’t Compromise its Art

Will changes to Mass Effect 3 ruin the game's artistic integrity? One writer says no.

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OC_MurphysLaw5171d ago

I stopped at the title... changing the ending or story in any significant way does compromise the art .... end of story. It may be desired by many..but it does kill the artistic integrity of the story writers if they feel the need to change the vision they created because part of their audience didn't like it.

Army_of_Darkness5171d ago

Just think of it as a video game and you'll be fine;)

Wenis5171d ago

"end of story".. you should have said that to the ME developers, apparently they've never heard of the saying..

Nitrox5171d ago

Should have read on, the article gives some great supporting points.

WTF is up with people here on n4g with posts like "Stop reading at such and such point, there are no other valid perspectives than my own"

OC_MurphysLaw5171d ago

@Nitrox ....there are plenty of valid opinions on N4G. In this instance I feel strongly enough to know changing any story because a vocal group demands it does compromise the integrity regardless of any good supporting argument. You could have plenty of reasons as to why you think it should be done... but the moment you change it after its been released you compromise the integrity of the original story.

Nitrox5171d ago

@Dlacy13g

I'm not saying that it necessarily SHOULD be done, just that it's not such a big deal if it IS done.

Plus, I remember reading somewhere that the plan wasn't to rewrite the ending, but to provide additional content that ties things together better.
I'm all for that provided it's free DLC, otherwise there's going to be another S#!tstorm over it...

Also I agree with you that changing things after release is a little too late. But the point I agreed with most in the article is that the film industry does things like this all the time if test audiences hate the ending, which results in a much higher quality movie than it would have been originally... However, that's a luxury the game industry doesn't really have.

OC_MurphysLaw5171d ago

@Nitrox I think we are in a bit of agreement. I have no issue with them providing some clarification on events and like you hope its free if they do. I also know the film industry does use test audiences and will change endings if there is negative reaction... but remember those are "test" audiences and the film hasn't actually been released yet. Closest thing the game industry has to this is the beta test.

--Onilink--5171d ago

you know.. sometimes it doesnt hurt to actually read about something before passing your opinion on it... its not like the author is one of those guys who makes an article about something he hasnt experienced.

If you read the article, you can see he has some perfectly valid points

SilentNegotiator5171d ago

The ending isn't artistic. It's not tactful. It takes a story-based, choice-centric game and forces it through funnel with a 3 color tie dye.

If they added more meaningful multiple endings (that come closer to fulfilling their promise of choices having a great effect on the "end" of their "trilogy"), they might preserve a minor amount of integrity.

OC_MurphysLaw5171d ago

If you look past the colors you would understand there were indeed three very meaningful choices to be made and massive implications for the future. I guess that gets lost on people when they dont get a different cgi ending for each choice.

I agree it would have helped and been better had they differentiated the ends more...

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FrightfulActions5171d ago

If anything, keeping it compromises the 'art'. The ending completely contradicts everything established in the previous games and fails to follow its own lore. It's rather shocking really how far off the ending was if you've been following the series. You wouldn't think they'd overlook some of the things they did. When the latest novel was released filled with so many plotholes it made it seem like they had NO ONE 'fact checking' the lore, they decided to revise it and release a less butchered version later. Time well tell if they can fix the damage done, but at least they're trying to remedy the mistake. Same thing applies here. Difference between compromise and revise, I suppose.

PshycoNinja5171d ago

So if everyone told Leonardo Da Vinchi that Mona Lisa wasn't pretty enough should he have changed the piece? Of course not. Video Games are modern art and for the artists to change it because LOUD MINORITY don't like the ending is garbage.

Nitrox5171d ago

No, Leonardo should be under no obligation to change the piece, I fully agree with that. But in the end it's still his decision to make that work of art pleasing for himself all others be damned, or rework it in a way that everyone can enjoy.

One choice makes his work something that the masses will write off and never look back at, the other gains him fame and respect for creating something the general population loves.

ash_divine5171d ago

@pshycoNinja

Why are you comparing the ending (or even the game itself) to the effin Mona Lisa?

what the hell is so artistic about Mass Effect 3's ending? It doesn't even make sense.

And that's really all people are asking for, an ending that doesn't make them go "WTF?".

Is that really so horrible?

SilentNegotiator5171d ago (Edited 5171d ago )

Mass Effect is a video game, not a painting. That's a stupid comparison.

Were talking about an interactive medium with a story. They ended it with one ending and 3 colors. Does that sound reasonable for a story-centric game that's supposed to be all about decisions, and when they promised that choices would carry more weight this time around? It was supposed to be the END of a trilogy. They could have had at LEAST a few endings that involved more than a color change, but no, they didn't want to endanger the possibility of sequels or DLC.

--Onilink--5171d ago (Edited 5171d ago )

the comparison makes no sense because the mona lisa was never done as a commercial product, where certain expectations were made by the author about how the finished PRODUCT would be.

If Leonardo Da Vinci had made the mona lisa in a paid contract to someone, and he didnt do what he had originally promised, you can bet your ass the one buying would have complained

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joab7775171d ago

Ok. So i must be stupod because i just beat it and i don't understand what's wrong with it. Is it because we were given choices instead of having it decided by the choices we made already. For example, instead of having 3 paths, if u destroyed the geth, u automatically choose the right path. Or if ur renegade is high the left etc, etc. How many other options are there? Did people not like the death of a particular character, who lives in one ending. Or was it all of it? Did they want a simple destroy the reapers and walk off? I understand that it doesn't mathematically add up everything that u have done for three games and spit out one of 10 endings.

I like that they didn't go the predictable route. And if u think about it, in a game so loved and emotionally binding, no ending would have made everyone happy. It's like the matrix. I loved the ending and it did fit the christian theme, but people hated it for obvious reasons. I guess they could have left it with a choice between saving earth or the galaxy dependent on a score and u could choose renegade or paragon, but it's fine to have separate choice that are not linked because it is over. And u can always stay within ur theme, i guess. i thought it was going to be terrible from what i had heard.

I guess though, that everyone wanted to see everything spelled out. That, and most of it is probably not knowing what happens after, but it doesn't matter because it's over.

Nitrox5171d ago

dude... spoilers...

But I'm kind of in the same boat as you, I didn't have so much of a problem with the ending. Like you said no ending is going to make everyone happy. But at the same time, you gotta admit it was a little bit of a let down after going through the whole game and making some relatively tough decisions along the way, only to have those decisions play a very small role in the final moments that wrap up the entire series.

SilentNegotiator5171d ago

Story and choice centric game. Promises. End of trilogy meant possibilities for multiple endings without worrying about sequel. Endings included 3 colors, and that's about it.

I'm tired of explaining that the ending itself isn't the problem; why are people still not aware of what the actual issue is? The endings didn't meet the promises and it had one ending that barely had anything to do with your choices. Got it? Good.

joab7775171d ago

I don't get it. So, ur problem is with the lack of footage post ending. Spoiler!!!!!!!!! Had they shown exactly how the three drastically different choices affected the world post choice, it would have been fine? And like i wrote, ur issue wasn't with the endings themselves but the fact that they allowed u to chose. U would have been fine with the illusion that ur choices are what affected the ending. For example, Continued Spoiler!!!!!, if u saved the council, everyone survive the end of me2, u were paragon every time, u brokered peace between the geth and quarians, and u helped edi and joker forge a relationship, u automatically chose synthesis. And i could chose something and something for the other two. If they had done just that instead of giving all three everyone would feel like their choices mattered in the ending.

What did everyone want? How many possibilities were there anyway. And how can people say there is one ending. There are three drastically different endings. It's just that they don't give post decision visuals. They make u imagine what happened. I guess they could have shown rebuilding, all races holding hands singing kumba ya. Or they could have could have shown races studying reapers or using them like slaves to rebuild. Or, maybe they could show 2 policy, both organic-synthetic looking a new dawn, a new palette to color.

Now, i know why reviewers didn't lambaste the game for it's ending. They weren't deceiving anyone. It's funny too because i have the guide and at the end, it spells out all the different requirements based on different choices and ur readiness. There are 16. Yes, i guess they could have changed the requirements to reflect all the decisions u have made over the last 5 years, but i guess that's the real problem. It isn't the endings so much, but the fact that they didn't directly occur because of choices. So, all they have to do is patch it so that there aren't three choices, just the same three endings based on choices instead. Just don't b pissed if u can't see endimg C because u chose to kill kaiden in mass effect 1.

ShiftyLookingCow5171d ago

The whole idea about fighting the reapers on foot while they fire lasers like idiots was silly. I actually expected a massive orbital war and then going on board the Crucible or something for the final assault.

RickHiggity5171d ago

I may be wrong, but didn't bioware say they would elaborate on the ending? not change it?

WitWolfy5171d ago

I dont think they'll change it per say... Maybe add one or two things more on what was supposed to be the end. Wrapping up the trilogy better this time I hope.

joab7775171d ago

That would be cool. But i have this idea that they were gonna do that anyway. But adding more content post cataclysmic event downtown mean that we got shafted on the ending. There were three very different endings covering most possibilities. SPOILER!!!!! My goodness , u can destroy the reapers and live through it. What more can u ask for. I just think that it's hard to accept the end of such a great trilogy without the one hours lord of the rings closure. But maybe they meant to do it anyway. And if they did, they deserve credit for offering such different endings because the post ending dlc will be like 3 completely different packages based on ur choice. I dunno, i was awestruck and not because it was bad. Because i was expecting it to be so bad and it wasn't. But, it's just my opinion. Maybe I'll ask for a refund anyway. I could use the money, lol.

RickHiggity5169d ago

Sadly I haven't gotten a chance to play ME3 yet, But I'm vsure theres nothing terribly wrong with. And besides. how easy can it be to make enough ending for every possible choice?

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Mass Effect Companion Tier Ranking

One of the best things about the Mas Effect series is the companions you meet along the way. So here is a tier list of all the companions from Mass Effect!

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IAMRealHooman532d ago

Bro missing companions: Legion, Grunt, Samara/Morinth, Javik, EDI

anast532d ago

Legion, Zaeed, and Jack are my favorites.

RiseNShine532d ago

To think that Bioware at some point was capable of doing games like this, you see those characters and remember them like good old friends, and now check ME Andromeda, Anthem, Veilguard etc and wonder what the hell happened.

anast532d ago

They lost too much talent.

IAMRealHooman532d ago

some in andromeda are decent, I agree with peebee and Vetra being good companions. Except Liam he's trash tier

anast532d ago

Liam lol I can't stand that dude.

IAMRealHooman531d ago

it's like bitch but your shirt back on, your not blue or spikey get away from me

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Mass Effect 3's Ending for Javik Misses the Forest for the Trees

Based on one narratively fitting ending in Mass Effect 3, Prothean squadmate Javik is highly unlikely to return in the next Mass Effect game.

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anast811d ago

He was one of my least favorite characters. I wish they would have done the Proths different.

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The Best Video Games That Feature Canada

This Canada Day, explore our homeland with the best video games that have adapted or reimagined the Great White North in digital form.

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