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Will CES showcase a solution to the Blu-ray/HD DVD war?

iTWire writes:

"Everyone knows that the battle between Blu-ray and HD DVD is the most boring battle since VHS and Beta, and won't be won by either format, but will instead be won by downloads direct to hard disks."

Blademask6719d ago

Bluray is killing HD-DVD.

It would be a war if HD-DVD even struck back once, but.. getting outsold 9:1 isn't really.. a war anymore.

I think Most Bluray people are getting their favorite movies on Bluray, and buying regular/downloading HD-DVD rips.

TheExodus6719d ago

Blu-ray isn't outselling HD-DVD by 9:1, but given PS3's install base it should be outselling HD-DVD by more than 2:1 or 3:1 yet isn't. Fact is that consumers aren't lining up for either format & that includes me. Question Sony & Toshiba need to be asking themselves is whether or not there are enough consumers willing to pay a 150-percent premium for HD content. Personally, I'm taking my DVD library digital at just over 1/2 the resolution of DVD & have yet to encounter an "OMG this looks so f*cking horrible I can't watch moment" on my 42-inch 720P DLP.

Blademask6719d ago

Inherently a luxury technology isn't going to automatically be consumed by the soccer mom who has no idea what hdmi is, let alone a 500 dollar bluray player.

I am sick of the stupid ass excuse that 'Well, neither format is beating DVD.' Do you honestly think that Disney/Sony and their combined intelligence/billion dollar companies ivy leauge educated cfo/ceo/vp didn't see that one coming?

Bluray is the #1 High Definition format. Whether or not that means that its going to beat 9 dollar dvd's has yet to be seen. Logically, no. Bluray's 19.99+Discs plus expensive players aren't going to beat out DVDs instantly, but the same exact argument was here with the introduction of the DVD technology.

HD-Disc technology is going to be around for a while until I can download that 24gig+ HD movie at home with equal or BETTER compression. Until those number of consumers can match a disc media, Bluray will be here to stay, but I doubt it will be as long of a run as DVD.

9:1 was exaggerating. There is no 'war' right now.

marinelife96719d ago

That's okay on the download thing. I'd rather keep my bandwith for gaming, surfing, and music if I can help it.

Actually Blu-Ray is winning 9:1 in Japan and between 3:1 to 5:1 in Europe. The US is the only place where the war is as close as 2:1. I think HD-DVD supporters conveniently forget that fact every time.

Every Nielsen number you see is only looking at US figures.

ITR6719d ago

Thing is the nielsen ratings aren't even that correct since they leave out Wal-mart which recently seems to be doing 50/50 splits of HD and BD media now and is now stocking HDA3' and the new venture players. Wal-mart's here seem to sell only one BD player(the PS3). While they still sell 2 HD stand alones and the 360 add on.
I'm not sure what Wal-marts HD/BD market share is, but it's DVD market share is 40%.

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miked8086719d ago (Edited 6719d ago )

Not one person has died over a disc format. Both of which will be around for years to come.

THE_JUDGE6719d ago

They will both be around but one of the formats will actually still be making NEW movies in that format.

Scarfy6719d ago

"but will instead be won by downloads direct to hard disks"

I can't wait to download 25GB+ of data over my average 2MB broadband connection...

Thanks, but I'd rather buy a disc so I take films around to my friend's places, instead of the entire sodding machine.

killer_trap6719d ago

yeah. where i live the most speed you can get is 4MB. i've got a 2MB connection that is costing me as much as a 10MB connection anywhere else.

i've got a ps3 thats why i'm cheering blue ray all the way. like i'm going to wait 3 days to watch a movie. i'd rather waste 10mintues of my life, go to my local video store and buy a high def movie. as for downloading movies......you can check with me again in 3-4 years.

TheExodus6719d ago

But how much of that 25GB+ isn't actually the movie? Not to mention that a 3.5-inch hard drive can hold a half dozen HD movies & is even pocketable whereas a half dozen Blu-ray or HD-DVD clamshells are not.

Wytche6719d ago

Even 10 Gig files would tie up my broadband for too long.

I rent blu-rays from an online company and I far prefer their service to a download service and I suspect it's cheaper too.

I also watch HD movies through my TV/satellite provider and I find it hard to keep up with HD movies to watch sometimes.

ITR6719d ago

You guys do realize 28 and 100mb dl speeds are coming this yr from AT&T and Comcast.
The most we'll wait is maybe 12 months here before it deploys fully.
Not to mention Verizon and AT&T are wanting to do VOD HD content directly to your home bypassing cable and dish providers.

You know I can put about 5 BD movies on my portable Toshiba 200GB HDD and it takes up less space then 3 BD cases. So, you can leave your computer at home. I do it all the time.

Scarfy6718d ago (Edited 6718d ago )

"You guys do realize 28 and 100mb dl speeds are coming this yr from AT&T and Comcast."

No, and I don't give a damn because,

1) I don't live in America
2) I don't live in America

and

3) I don't live in America

People like you must start realising that there are other countries outside of your own and that a considerable number of these are either not broadband enabled or are restricted to speeds of only 1MB.

THAT is why Bluray is important and why DD films will not impact sales of discs any time soon (and by soon, I mean 10 or 20 years)

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actas1236719d ago

The war is almost over. However, two companies can screw customers up (again) and keep the whole thing running and the consumer confused, this 2 companies are Warner and Microsoft.

blackmagic6719d ago

An awful lot of people on this site are under the incorrect impression that Blu-ray has won and they consistently state their >opinion< of this as 'fact' when it is actually only an >opinion< and, on this site, that opinion is usually fueled by their allegance to the PS3 rather than any actual advantage offered by the format. For these people, consider the following:

1. The install base for HD DVD doubled in the month leading up to Christmas and a large chunk of those new players were not active until Christmas day and the abundant Blu-ray BOGO sales won't last forever.

2. The gamer effect: As it is, gamers that bought the PS3 at $600 don't all buy Blu-ray discs. Gamers that waited for the PS3 to be $500 are less likely to buy Blu-ray discs than the early adoptors. Gamers that waited for the PS3 to be $400 are even less likely to buy Blu-ray discs. My point is that the trojan effect of the PS3 is diminishing as it gets cheaper. As the PS3 gets cheaper, more and more people are buying it because they want to play games, not movies. Early adoptors justified the expense of the PS3 with it's ability to play Blu-ray, a factor that is less and less important each day to new PS3 owners. Gamers that are price conscious are less and less likely to buy the more expensive high def media.

3. The gamer effect part 2: Inversely, gamers that waited to buy the HD DVD add-on are 100% guaranteed to buy HD DVD discs. Any gamer that buys the HD DVD add-on regardless of how inexpensive it is or how inexpensive they waited for it to become is 100% guaranteed to buy HD DVD discs. In this way the trojan effect of the PS3 will be further diminished as time goes on. More and more 360 gamers will be tempted into buying an HD DVD add-on as it gets cheaper. Every gamer that buys an HD DVD add-on is 100% guaranteed to buy HD DVD discs. As the HD DVD add-on gets cheaper, more gamers will consider buying it. As time goes on, the percentage of gamers that are interested in HD media on either the PS3 or the 360 will balance.

4. The consumer effect: The early adoptors who are less likely to be swayed by price have already made their purchase. The people left who haven't bought into a format are more price conscious. With each and every day that passes, price is becoming a more and more important factor. HD DVD holds 15 GB per layer vs 25Gb on Blu-ray but this design difference is there to leverage the massive infrastructure of DVD. A difference which means HD DVD players will always be cheaper to manufacture and HD DVD discs will always be cheaper to print.

5. The consumer effect part 2: Blu-ray early adoptors mostly paid between $350-$600 for their player. HD DVD early adoptors mostly paid between $200-$500 for their player. In the next six months we will likely find Blu-ray players in the $200-$250 range and HD DVD players in the $100-$150 range. A Blu-ray owner who paid $350-$600 has a good chance of going format neutral on a $100-$150 HD DVD player. An HD DVD owner who paid $200-$500 is much less likely to do the same on a $200-$250 Blu-ray player.

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CrimsonWing6961d ago

I fail to see how this is AI shhhhlllloooop. Looking at the different games they showed, this has made many of them look far better.

isarai_lee60d ago (Edited 60d ago )

It's AI slop because it ignores the artists intent and changes the details ESPECIALLY when it comes to character faces. The scariest part of it is introducing it as the next stage of DLSS, a feature where the current iteration already has controversy surrounding it and for quite a lot of games cannot be fully disabled. So reasonably the precident is already set for what path this could take, and it's not good

blacktiger60d ago

In case you didn't watch the video then let me point just one part. It overrides the lighting. Then the question of what is the point of ray tracing cost and so on. Many of the lighting deletes shadow, including shadow on the face like eyes even chin.

Chard60d ago

Why stop at art when it comes to human input - why not just have AI play the game for us, remove human input altogether

theshizer60d ago

If you don’t like it, just don’t enable it. Personally I think it looks great from the videos I have seen.

isarai_lee60d ago

And what about when you can't? Cause there's plenty of games where you cannot fully disable dlss already, i mean we're well into an era where it's a major crutch for developers to cover up their cut corners, why would this be any different?

blacktiger60d ago

You are playing with people's money and allow Nvidia to scam you.

In case you didn't watch the video then let me point just one part. It overrides the lighting. Then the question of what is the point of ray tracing cost. This is all lie to raise the cost of the graphic card.

Andrew33660d ago

Making characters look more realistic not ok because we want the developer to decide on how the game was intended to look. - Internet

Change entire game through mods thus changing how the developers intended the game to be is ok. - Internet

isarai_lee60d ago

Something consumers can do to a product after they have purchased it, entirely optional and can always be undone with a fresh install

VS

The leading gaming hardware manufacturer making this the next iteration of the main AA/Upscaling technique that is heavily relied upod by modern devs and is not optional in most games.

Not at all the same but nice try

jwillj2k460d ago

At the moment you need 2 5090’s just to get an image on the screen so this is all vaporware until proven otherwise.

Andrew33660d ago

The good news is you can just not use it as well.

Christopher60d ago

It's all about choice in the end. But, I would say that calling it 'more realistic' is quite a stretch. It looks like AI art, and that's rarely realistic.

Urrakia3460d ago

All the comments I see are reminding me of how we got to the current state of gaming when microtransactions were first introduced: "It's completely optional guys, we promise! If you don't like it just don't buy it!"

I think we all know how that ended up.

Popsicle60d ago (Edited 60d ago )

I had the same exact thought the first time this was brought up in a separate article about a week ago. Took me straight back to the conversations surrounding “horse armor.” Just don’t buy it they said. Years later, many IPs I previously enjoyed are so infected with monetization schemes that I don’t even consider purchasing them anymore.

DLSS 5 and the like are the same thing wrapped in a different package. History rhymes but many of us never learn from it.

blacktiger60d ago

Biggest Scam. Overrides lighting and shadow. So why keep Ray tracing? It's all a scam to raise graphic card. We now see Nvidia with Microsoft downturn anything against them. Sony is next!