It's more or less evident in their decreased hardware sales throughout the majority of the world. More than two years on the market and they only have 14 million 360s sold?

If it wasn't for the RROD and numerous hardware problems, sales would probably be closer to 20 million right now. A lot of people I know have held off because they don't want "to deal with that 33% failure rate." My bro just visited from Fresno this week, and two of his buddies have already been hit with the RROD.

Were only 8 Million Consoles Behind and falling behind and being outsold everyday 2:1 in every country but hey we'll catch up!!!!! PS3 FTW

Because the mainstream doesn't know they exist.

No one gives a crap if microsoft does anything wrong. If anyone noticed, I've been kind of steering toward the fanboy level lately and I apologized. It's just hard being objective when everyone else does that for me in the form of slander. Microsoft has gotten away with murder this gen and everyone glamorizes every little thing they do in the gaming industry and rediculously overestimate everything bad Sony does.

The fact that someone can have a failure rate THAT high and get away with it, and yet there was a massive revolution against a 600 dollar console is beyond me. You people have the most retarded sense of loyalty. And I know this is a fanboy comment I'm just really low on patience to be honest.

i got the red ring and i turned it of soon as i see it and it still works today, im so lucky.

Peoples, look at it this way on one hand you have M$ a retarded child if it fail peoples simple look the another way and if it does well peoples will hype and applause the sh!t out of it, with SONY a genius child if it doesn't do well peoples will bash like there no tomorrow and if does well peoples still said it not good enough.

I find it interesting that someone brings this up because I have also thought about the reason to it. I think it´s because the media didn´t do their job at reporting it to people. Why? I don´t know.
But media imo has reported a lot of negative news for the PS3.
It´s sad when the media can´t stay unbiased.

I bought a 360 and i turned it on and system error i did not even get to the set up screen.

Obviously it effect other people more than othrs but in the long run it will effect MS if they dont sort it this year.

Sony have the line up this year to entice people from buying a 360 and if there decision is based on realiabilty then its MS own fault if the dont sort it.

3 year warranty means nothing as it should not need that long of one for a problem going on for 2 years now.

I have a 360 Elite now with the new chip. Still loud tho

Their console breaks down more than twice and they keep buying them because they're stupid. My xbox 360 failed the first time, I thought "hey, must've been a faulty unit, I don't mind the wait" then it happened again so I sent it off and traded it in for a PS3. I couldn't be happier with my purchase, looking back on it now the 360 looks extremely tacky and poorly made.

Is the main reason I got a PS3 over a 360.

Anyhow, true story about my mates 360. Had it 14 months now, hardly uses it (maybe 6-8 hours a week, tops).

Started crashing all the time playing HL2 - rebooted it, started crashing turning the dash, and often during the splash.

Phoned up MS - nope, not covered under the new extended warrenty - thats only for very specific things, such as the RRoD.

So they said they were going to charge him 65 quid to have it repaired. However, as the money was to be payable to a company in america, they could only accept credit cards. Which he didn't have.

So after arranging someone else to pay for it, finding a box (which MS wouldn't provide, but did warn if it was damaged due to transit they wouldn't do anything all) - he tried to get them to collect it. Couldn't give a time, and as he had no hols left before xmas, his only option was to drive 19 miles to the nearest depo for the company MS had picked to use.

On the positive, it only took 3 weeks to return....

Sadly, when he got it back, it now crashes everytime playing in 480p (standard def). (tho lucky for him, he plays in 720).

MS - doing you up the wrong un royally.

MS should change the manufacuture line and order production trust of xbox360 from Toshiba then Reliability might be up.
Of course, HD DVD Drive would be implemented :p

360 is doing well in america, home of biggest is best. The 360 was the first "next gen" console on the market and a lot of yanks had to jump on the band wagon as soon as possible to be the first to own the latest hardware.

It's a shame that what they don't see is the shoddy half generation leap that the 360 is. I wouldn't consider it next gen, it's a slight upgrade from the original Xbox. One that will probably be obselete next year. Sure it's got some good games but I really don't see it staying in SECOND place for long.

The early buyers realise this so even after their 5th RROD they still come back with Microsoft is king because they don't want to lose face.

As a lot of you already said, if the problem had been made mainstream it would only be the xbot retards like Firstknight, PoG, TheMART and Zhuk who would have fallen for the microsort scam.

Maybe 720 will actually be a next gen console that works.

I think the fact the 360 sold half as many consoles in 2007 as it did in 2006, even with the "Holy Trinity" of Halo 3, BioShock and Mass Effect is backlash enough.

It's dead outside of America, to be honest.

M$ could openly engage in terrorist attacks and they would still spin it to their favour. Never underestimate M$'s influence in the gaming media with sites like Gamespot in their pocket. That and people apparent short term memories for getting screwed by Americans favourite dictatorship.

Meanwhile if a random van with a Sony sticker on it runs over a puppy people will hold grudges for a decade and dedicate their pathetic lives to becoming Xbot trolls on every forum.

Ps3=mercedes xbox 360= Ford Contour Wii= Geo metro.
Be Smart!! Choose wisely.

Most people don't even know that there is a 33% failure rate. I've spoken to so many people who complain of disc scrathing and freezing. I just advise them to call Microsoft. If you go to gamestop or any electronics store they won't advise the customer that there is a known hardware issue with the xbox 360. I always go to Gamestop just to look around and I always hear the store clerk tell the person on the phone Call Microsft.

Most people don't even know that there is a 33% failure rate. I've spoken to so many people who complain of disc scrathing and freezing. I just advise them to call Microsoft. If you go to gamestop or any electronics store they won't advise the customer that there is a known hardware issue with the xbox 360. I always go to Gamestop just to look around and I always hear the store clerk tell the person on the phone Call Microsft.

Most people don't even know that there is a 33% failure rate. I've spoken to so many people who complain of disc scrathing and freezing. I just advise them to call Microsoft. If you go to gamestop or any electronics store they won't advise the customer that there is a known hardware issue with the xbox 360. I always go to Gamestop just to look around and I always hear the store clerk tell the person on the phone Call Microsft.

I think it comes because it was a lot on the internet news and lots of people doesn't follow that.
I have an 360 since it launch and played a LOT of hours so far and never had a problem with it so far. Al my friends who also have a 360 never had problems with it.
I checked while the subject was a hot topic in my local gamestores and most sellers said the hardly had any complaines about the RROD.
Wich must mean the topic was a little overrated or else microsoft would have seriously burned their hands on it.
Wich would be justified if it failed to delivered a good product.
@piratethom : the 360 is far from dead in europe. it runs behind the ps3 but that doesn't mean it is dead.
If you look from where MS is coming with the Xbox franchise wich was almost a nonfactor in the previous generation then they have won no matter what all you people may think a great victory against Sony.
They are in most countries (except japan) at least their equal, and in the case of America clearly their superior.
MS is happy you better believe that about the progress their Gamingconsole has made so far (again except Japan).
They have gained a much bigger piece of the pie of the gamingworld then most dared to expect.
This is not fanboyism but just a simple fact.

The answer is that the 'fallout' was bigger than the problem in the first place. The power of the internet allowed a vocal minority and those with a anti Xbox 360 agenda to blow the issue out of proportion with gross exaggeration. I believe the phrase 'mountains out of molehills' applies well here.

The issue is not as big and widespread as people make it out to be, in fact most Xbox 360 consumers have been enjoying the greatest gaming lineup in history without any issue.

money

Microsoft is covering up the problem so people don't realize how big the problem really is!

Insanely funny that Sony is having to play catch up considering the massive problem that could have been RROD and Sony's already massive following.I guess is shows how good MS are at damage control.A slight shock though to say the least as i had the 360 down as severely underperforming when it came to battling Sony.

It shows just how much Sony has dropped the ball

Got red ringed Fall of 06' (extremely pissed off I was). MS demanded $140 (Pissed me off even more, but I paid).
Down the road I received a reimbursement check (Sweet!).

Got ringed again Aug. 07' (OMG, not again!) I was assured by customer service that this will not happen again, his quote was "Well, the first time your console was fixed, we really didn't know what we were doing". LOL!! Thats nice to know!
So I'm now on my 3rd 360 and it sounds like a ticking time bomb when I turn it on. I honestly hope I get ringed again before my 3 year warranty is up, because if it happens outside the warranty I absolutely refuse to buy another one.

Edit: BTW, I've always taken good care of all of my consoles.

It's interesting reading some of these comments.To those that say this and that about MS concerning money etc.They're hardly not going to use it and i think they should be applauded for being such a big pain in the arse when it comes to halting Sony's monopoly - something MS is ironically rather good at as well of course.

I think there should be one standard if we're talking about pc os's as it makes more sense so i can more easily handle MS here.What i don't like is how consoles can fail as a result of a much more successful competitor.It's how it is but it surely does suck when a person can only afford the one machine.Thankfully it looks like there is room for 3 competitors going at it.

The Sony Idiots are at it again, If the PS3 & Uncharted is so damn good why are you wasting spending all of your time bashing the 360 on news4thesonydefenseforce ? When a real Sony Fan would be to amazed & wowed & would be talking about Sony products & not talking **** about the competition & I can almost bet those here saying "My friend got prod" is full of ****" & everyone that Sony Idiot knows has a PS3.

there is one and only one reason that microsoft was not i as much trouble as it coul've been. and that was because of the impending release of halo 3. if halo 3 didnt come out this year, i fear it coul've been waaaay worse.

you simpletons just dont get it. the xbox360 is a masterpiece of hardware combined with the greatiest of software with a slight error that is being fixed even as we speak but aslong as they keep doing what they are supposed to be doing as far as repairing what they messed up on then we should all be cool but also everytime you simpletons mention the xbox360 in conversation (even when talking of the rrod) all your doing is giving microsoft free advertisement because the you try to talk bad about they system but then the conversation changes to xbox live,halo 3,gears of war,mass effect,pgr3 and 4,call of duty 2-4,saints row,and many more, then the subject of the new titiles come up like ninja gaiden 2,splinter cell conviction,bioshock 2,golden axe,fable 2,jade empire 2,knights of the old republic 3,banjo kazooie,killer instinct 3, and many more but the never ends the conversation. then the possibles always come into play like the possiblity of metal gear solid 4 and tekken and many others to come to the beloved system wich is highly likely even now :) so if you think about it the positives outweigh the negetives :) so keep advertising and while your at it go ahead and jump in like the rest of us and stop bumping your gums, save that for xbox live. you'll appreciate it much better

Well I own a ps3 and I thaught about buying a 360 I been a looking at a few are there really that many probs with a 360?

the hardware problems weren't nearly as bad as made out by online idiots.
and people reporting under different accounts on online forums that they're xbox 360 has failed...instead of puting they had reported this on other accounts on other forums.

I have a pro launch 360 and an elite for 6 months and neither has had a problem, the pro got the 3 red lights ONCE i turned it off and then on and it never happend again.
P.S: for the past 6 months the pro is residing in my nephews room a 14 year old that has treated every system he was received like crap and never takes care of it, and it still works without a problem.

the games rule but the hardware suks

I picked myself up a new 360 (from eBay, £200 with 2 games, unopened) and this is it's LAST CHANCE. If this breaks down, there is absolutely now fcuking way i am buying another one. The fact i'm on my fourth one now is appaling, and I think i've been incredibly patient with Microsoft.

If the problems do get fixed, it'll be at least a year from now, and I think the 360 is gonna be pretty obselete by then.

Hey, who here has had the most 360's break on them? Come on, let's start a little competition! Mine's three, see if you can beat that!! :D

Why wasn't the fallout nastier? Because it was overblown. No one I know with a 360 has had any HW issues.

Besides the fact that there hasn't really been anything I wanted to play on my Elite this year, having my console RROD on me ruined my gaming experience with my 360. I play my PS3 alot more, even though Ninja Gaiden 2 and Lost Odyssey will probably change that, I'm still more interested in my PS3. I'm surprised people didn't go at M$ with lawsuits and what not because of this. If the NES had died like this, there would've been riots in the streets and Nintendo would've been sued out of existance! Maybe this is a different generation...

I think I will wait a bit longer to see if MS fixes the prob

Given the unsurmountable amount of hype that Xbox 360 has, not to mention Halo 3, and its supposed unbeatable amount of "AAA" titles (shooters, mind you), it should have sold, judging by Xbox 360 fangirls' words and experiences, like the Wii is selling right now. But thanks to the RROD, 360 is lucky to have sold less than twice what the PS3 has sold in less than half the time. Then again, maybe it's not just the RROD, and its the fact that 360 is not all that its fanboys (Bloodmask, bladestar, theMart, power of green, sak500, firstknight, bloody sinner, Xbox is hte best, you name it) tout it to be.

there was no competition for them to lose business too, so there was no fallout. then the competition came out and suddenly their warranty increased by multiple years so they wouldn't lose business.