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Why I Hate... Entitled Fans

newbreview.com's Eddie Johnston talks about a subject that grinds his gears, complaining fans, by looking at the controversies surrounding Infamous 2, Devil May Cry, and - yes - the Mass Effect 3 endings.

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mightyles5174d ago

I pretty much agree with everything said here. I can understand fans' disappointment at change, but in the end games shouldn't be developed by committee. If nothing ever changes, or things pander to the wants of the fans, you end up with stale shit.

I think it was Henry Ford that said if he had listened to what people wanted then he would've made a faster horse. There's wisdom in those words.

teething5173d ago

I also agree with this article. We are all entitled to an opinion, but the writer of the game and Bioware have the final say... take it or leave it.

A lot of people didn't like that last Seinfeld episode, or the last Sopranos. Suck it up, you don't write it. Imagine if th Mona Lisa were painted in the internet era... "we are starting a petition to give her D-cups and make her more feminine." Leonardo would certainly be driven mad.

The problem with Mass Effect is that they did a great job getting gamers emotionally invested in the story and characters. As such everyone felt they had a big personal stake in the story and outcome. But guess what... you don't. You influenced the course of the story, by you did not change it's overall message and outcome.

I liked the ending. It was a difficult gray result that was bittersweet and left a lot to interpretation (thus giving the gamer control of how they interpret things to end). It was not a butterflies and flowers. guy gets the girl and live happily ever after ending that we are so conditioned to want in the uninspired world of Hollywood "feel-good endings."

And thank god. If some gamers had their way the end credits would be Tali and shep running through a field hand in hand followed up by a dry-humping mini game in your bedroom.

kent800820075174d ago

We are not entitled, we certainly do not feel they owe us anything. We love the game, we simply feel disappointed. That's the difference between a petition and angry death threat letters, and from what I see the media is trying to convince everyone we're doing the latter. Seriously these journalists are starting to piss me off with their condescending attitude

mightyles5174d ago

I honestly don't get the angry reaction at all. I've played through all three Mass Effect games (completing ME1 and ME2 on Insanity) and I was genuinely moved by the final section of the game. Sure it would've been nice to get more closure at the end but we all know a fourth Mass Effect game will be coming out.

Anyone that thinks that ME3 is the end of the franchise is a fool.

Megaton5174d ago (Edited 5174d ago )

If demanding the complex, coherent endings they promised instead of the short, singular rush job they delivered is being entitled, then yeah, I'm entitled as hell.

More and more I see that the people who enjoyed the endings don't understand what happened there. They don't see the plot holes or loose ends because they don't know what they're looking for. They're ignorant of the lore.

Fortunately, I'm warming up to the idea that this was a ploy on BioWare's behalf. An elaborate method to clean up the pieces of a leaked ending. Remove it from the disk to prevent a second leak due to data mining pre-launch. The theory that the ending provided is simply Shepard being indoctrinated by Harbinger makes more and more sense every day. The game was too good for it to just abruptly fall apart at the end.

itsactuallyadam5174d ago

I keep hearing about these plot holes, but no one ever says what they are. Care to enlighten us (with a hefty spoiler tag of course)?

Megaton5174d ago (Edited 5174d ago )

I've spoken about them and all of this exhaustively on N4G and BSN. Browse BSN's spoiler section, particularly this thread: http://social.bioware.com/f...

They mention many of the problems while justifying their indoctrination theory.

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But I mean really, you didn't notice things as blatant as Joker making a relay jump as they were exploding? Why would he need to be anywhere outside of the Sol system? The Citadel was there, the Reapers were there, the war was there. Why were your squad, who were on Earth moments earlier, with him on his mystery relay jump as well?

Not to mention that the Star Child's claim of controlling the Reapers at will from the Citadel completely voids Sovereign's purpose in ME1.

kent800820075174d ago (Edited 5174d ago )

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1. The premise of star child's explanation to the reaper's existence is that synthetics and organics can't get along, which is proved wrong in both Qurian/Geth case and EDI/Joker case

2. Squad member accompanying you disappeared after charging to the beam and is later shown getting off Normandy while they should be on Earth either killed by giant laser or lying unconsciously on the ground.

3. Normandy shown escaping using a mass relay, the only mass relay in sol system is near Pluto while the ship should be near Earth. Even if it's a FTL jump, which planet in the sol system has a jungle?

4. Shepard wakes up lying in rubble and breathes, where the heck is he? Citadel? Earth? How?

And these are just the ones that instantly pops up in my mind, I'm sure there's more.

You know what I'm really glad you asked, I hope people actually read this before dissing us

mightyles5174d ago

So, basically you and kent80082007 want the ending to be changed because you feel there are too many unanswered questions?

Sounds a bit like those people that got in a hissy over the ending of The Sopranos or Arkham City. Take from that what you will.

kent800820075174d ago

I'm NOT upset about unanswered questions! Stop putting words in my mouth! I could appreciate open ended endings as long as the facts presented are coherent and are logical, but the ME3 ending has CONTRACTIONS and ILLOGICAL bits in itself.

Let me make this very clear, it's not what ISN'T shown in the ending (so called unanswered questions) that makes us upset, we can totally appreciate an open ended story and space for imagination, it's what IS shown in the ending, the facts, that is inconsistent and upset us. Got it?

The BS Police5174d ago

An excerpt from an interview with Mr. Hudson in January: "This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C"

http://www.oxm.co.uk/37677/...

And you know what, alot of this is about closure, this is the end of a freaking trilogy, it's supposed to give us closure.

itsactuallyadam5174d ago

@kent80082007 I dont see anyone putting words in your mouth. Im pretty thick but even I know a question when I see one. stop being so butt hurt because you dont understand a games ending yet. Bioware will have answers Im sure.

Hicken5173d ago

Yes, people are "entitled" because they don't like what a developer has done/is doing with a game.

Last time I checked, these people are the ones that make or break the game's success.

It took exactly one game for people to warm up to Cole McGrath. The inFamous fanbase liked him just the way he was. Would we have been okay with a tweak here or there to update the character? Sure. Instead, he was remade from the ground up, including voice acting. And while that may not have mattered to newcomers, it would definitely alienate existing fans, as they've spent countless hours with this guy already.

This is only compounded with Devil May Cry. The DMC series is more than a decade old, and has four games in it already. These games solidify the style of the franchise- being consistent overall- and the character Dante, specifically. Changing these things significantly, then, will undoubtedly have an effect on the fans the series has thus far gained. That the new developers essentially told the fans to go screw themselves after fans voiced their dislike for Dante's new look- originally in a game that was supposed to be a prequel, yet disregarded many established events in the franchise's history- didn't help things at all.

Mass Effect's example is part lie- as outlined by The BS Police above- and part potential milking ploy by making a "real" ending available only as DLC that you'd then have to buy. From what I gather- as someone who has not played more than the demo of ME3- the ending treats many of your decisions across all three games as unimportant or utterly disregards them, or completely contradicts them. It apparently open up plot holes when there were none, as well. And as story driven as the Mass Effect is praised for being- a story driven heavily by the player's actions- this is a slap in the face.

As an industry, gaming is a media driven almost wholly by its consumers. A franchise or series that gains a large enough following is then driven by its fans. And these fans have come to expect certain things out of games within that franchise. It's reasonable then, that they would be upset when they're told their opinion doesn't count, or when it's discovered that the work they've been putting in across multiple entries goes unrewarded in the end, by being disregarded.

If being vocal about such things is being "entitled," then all fans should be thus.

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Devil May Cry 5: Why You Should Start Over in 2025

It's been six years since Capcom dropped Devil May Cry 5, but it's still more than worth replaying in 2025 thanks to its rich gameplay.

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Christopher392d ago

Because the anime is on Netflix and we gotta ride that DMC in the news again wave.

CrimsonWing69392d ago

You sound like you’re just a ton of fun to be around.

franwex392d ago

It’s been sitting in my backlog for a while now. One of the first games I wanted to try for this current gen due to the long load times of previous gen. I’ll get around to it soon!

Zenzuu392d ago

One of the best, stylish, and fun action slasher on the system. You definitely should get to it, as soon as you can.

solideagle392d ago

they are taking way too much time with DMC6...

VersusDMC392d ago

The DMC5 team went on to make Dragons Dogma 2, the DMC director (3,4,5) left capcom to make an action game at another studio and the rumor is that a DMC remake is next...so i wouldn't hold my breath on DMC6.

ZeekQuattro391d ago

Everytime its on sale I think about buying it but never do. I only played the orginal and somr of 3 so I guess that's part of it.

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Mass Effect Companion Tier Ranking

One of the best things about the Mas Effect series is the companions you meet along the way. So here is a tier list of all the companions from Mass Effect!

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IAMRealHooman521d ago

Bro missing companions: Legion, Grunt, Samara/Morinth, Javik, EDI

anast521d ago

Legion, Zaeed, and Jack are my favorites.

RiseNShine521d ago

To think that Bioware at some point was capable of doing games like this, you see those characters and remember them like good old friends, and now check ME Andromeda, Anthem, Veilguard etc and wonder what the hell happened.

anast521d ago

They lost too much talent.

IAMRealHooman521d ago

some in andromeda are decent, I agree with peebee and Vetra being good companions. Except Liam he's trash tier

anast521d ago

Liam lol I can't stand that dude.

IAMRealHooman520d ago

it's like bitch but your shirt back on, your not blue or spikey get away from me