how the f will they even recognize tha pre-owned cd from tha brand new one? If u open tha cd is as if it's already pre-owned... it doesn't make any sense...

Funny thing is the Volition games that i have bought were used or discounted.

I know devs are in it to make money , but a move like this would severely hurt the gaming industry. No rentals, no borrowing, just buy to try and if its terrible.... tough titty.

But i dont think MS is that crazy to do something like this

It's rare LogicWins gets my agree.

Ensure your game is quality from the get-go, and you wouldn't need to agree with such a filthy move.

so if i own 3 xbox 360s then i need to buy 3 copies to be able to play on all of my consoles . this will never happen . and i would not be able to bring the game to my friends house to show them the game

This gen has given our rear ends the lube. From online passes to paying for dlc already on disks and paying for dlc announced long b4 the retails release to paying to play online components of games we've already paid for its no wonder devs aren't lining up to lift our shirts even more this gen let alone next gen. The more we accept the more they'll try and bleed us dry. Us console owners are too weak compared to the pc community. Strange thing is many of us are or were pc gamers so why we accept then complain with our console goggles on is oxymoronic. Look at what the pc lot said to ms about paying to play online. . . they told em to jog on and ms had to back down. Console gamers will just make excuses so the precedent is solidified.

Its not just ms so don't get me wrong but we all have to take some kinda stand.

i'm ok with it if the games cost 30$ and i can play it on my account on any console

This is just in response to rumor and speculation. I could definitely see an online pass for all the consoles and all the games next generation, but I am pretty certain we wont see no used games whatsoever.

This dev is so ignorant

I'm a PC and console gamer and one of the arguments I used to use to my PC only gaming friends was that with console gaming there was no constant patching and that games were released in a good working state. Sadly since console's got online connectivity the quality of games has dropped like it did for the PC when the internet become more commonplace in the home. Publishers and developers adopted a 'release now, patch it later' mentality.

It’s shocking to see so many games being released with numerous large bugs present and day one patches the moment you put the disc in the drive. If developers want to see an end to second hand sales then start releasing quality titles, start using some of that multi-million dollar budget on decent QA.

I think the whole second hand sales argument has been pushed to breaking point not by gamers trading games in school or at work or the occasional sale of a game on Ebay its places like Gamestop and GAME that are milking the system dry that are to blame. These huge high street chains promote used titles over new. My local Gamestation and GAME has used the promotional cardboard displays that get sent to them to promote new releases and fill them with used copies of the game. I only buy new in store and I can guarantee that 9 times out of 10 I will be asked if I'd prefer a used version of the same game. It’s that business practice by Gamestop/Game/Gamestation that is pushing this issue not gamers.

If this ever comes to pass, then all console makers need to offer the option for game trials similar to what PSN+ does - except make the trial last longer than 1 hour. Also, make the download version 20-30% less in price.

Maybe a game trial could grant the first 20-30% of the game playable with no time limit and online could be open for 48-72 hours. Then you could buy for a discount price since it is a download.

Devs should concentrate more on their finished product before moaning about the used games market . More and more titles are being pushed out the door in a broken and buggy state . Gamers are paying full price for something that doesn't work properly and continually needs patched to play , yet no one sticks up for us and demands any action to rectify this.

"In the end, I fully believe that we have to do something about these issues or our industry is going to fall apart."

Not a fan of used games but the industry isn't falling apart because of used games, it's falling apart because games nowadays just suck and pandered to the lowest common denominator of gamers. Most of this generation's AAA blockbuster action games are just...shallow and have little substance apart from zOMG PRETY GRAFIKS, perfect game for today's mainstream culture that play games for how good they look, but terrible game for gamers that play games for how fun they are.

probably the reason i will not buy the next xbox. this and the xbox live gold. Sony, don't change nothing and for ps4, i'll be there.

if devs were to make games with replay value that would be fantastic!

what about the 15-25% of gamers who rent before they buy? Basically devs are saying "hey buy my games its really good" wink wink.... do they not realize most people like to try a game before they buy it?

I'd like to know which developer said this so I can be sure to not buy any of their products again.

Hahahah, for so long us PC gamers endured all forms of DRM. Now is consoles` time to jump hoops. I tell you, once MS says your copy is invalid and you have to call MS in america while in africa, you wil never game again.Oh wait, you cant Skidrow console games, so you will have to jump my friend cause MS said so. Is time you console gamers join us PC users and input cd codes like the perfect drones we are.

Devs will be happy, gamers will not. And without gamers, devs are NOTHING.

Interesting to see a dev come out and be vocal about this. I wouldn't mind a blocking of used games IF we had a better pricing structure for new games. There are far too many $50-$60 turds on the market. Publishers need to do a much better job of pricing games according to quality and not just platform. If there were tiers of games starting at $20 and up then I would feel much easier about a lack of used games as they seem to be the driving force behind getting these newer priced turds of games to drop in price faster. Hard to sell a $60 mediocre game new when there are 7 copies of it used next to it for $30 and all in good condition. It probably should have been $30 to start.

"People often don't understand the cost that goes into creating these huge experiences that we put on the shelves for only $60".

The bigger question here is not the used games market. But why gamers are reselling there "experiences". Most games now offer a decent "ride" rather then experience. Can't even manage to hold on to gamers attention. It's not rocket science. Offer a better top shelf product.

If I spend 60 quid on a game then guess what? I fucking own it! If I want to trade it in,give it away or burn it,it is none of any game devs business.I got a good idea that might help to stop people trading in games,it really is simple:Try to make sure the game works BEFORE you release it! Release now,fix later is the biggest,most asshole thing you game devs do.

Your pretty much obligated to pay for Xbox Live (or miss out on online play and other things that should have been free in the first place)and now your to buy new games. If this is true it looks like I won't be getting an Xbox720.

Let these devs bury themselves in their own grave

"and how pirating a copy is just plain stealing."

I agreed with everything up to that point. PIRACY IS NOT STEALING. PC piracy is SO bad because there are no used games to buy. If people could buy these games cheap and used, they wouldn't pirate. Hey how about a bunch of companies in the video game industry open up a chain of retail stores and sell used games? That gets rid of that problem.

If companies are willing to sacrifice exposure of their games to more people for possibly higher revenues then I don't see why they wouldn't.
In my opinion it doesn't matter to me for the most part since I buy games new usually. The used games market however allows me to try out games I otherwise wouldn't have, and I may become a fan and buy the sequel. So they may be shutting some possible customers out by stopping used games.

I am however very doubtful of this happening. Microsoft are not stupid, and I think there definitely is pressure from the larger publishers, but the backlash from the fans will just be way too much for them to handle.

It's a victory for publishers and developers they can make more money off their products. For those who say that developers already made there off the sale of a game keep in mind that a used gam can be sold up to ten times or more and companies like Gamestop and amazon are make ten times the profits that publishers and developers are getting.

This won't happen, for one very important reason. No it's not that MS will look down on us peons and say hey you know what the consumer actually does have some rights if they buy it new, like lending or trading with a friend, and etc. No it will because there extrmemly influential and rich friends at the retailers specifically Gamestop, who make a lot of their money at the used game business, will tell them GTFO, we're not selling your Xbox 720.

Now as far as the whole used sales thing, an online pass is fine, developers need some sort of compensation, especially if your using their servers that they have to maintain,send patches out to and etc. Hell I would compromise on Single player Pass, if it wasn't for the people who do not have their consoles connected to the internet, because basically they pay full price and have no way of access content that should be there for them. But this whole mess right here with the console that doesn't play used games is ridiculous.

At some point this companies have to realize that consumers have some rights, especially the ones who buy your games new, they should be able to lend out there game to a friend or whatever. Actually go after the main problem, Gamestop.
I've yet to understand how they stay in business, they literally screw both parties, the consumer and the publisher. I never really buy used games because it's not that much savings, like five bucks at most, unless it's a special or something, and don't get me started on selling games to them. Oh you're going to give me 25 bucks for the game and then sell it for 55. Yeah screw that. I've only sold two games in my life, probably one of the stupider things I've done. So yeah MS, Sony, and the games industry in general go after the main problem, Gamestop.

I buy the games I anticipate most new so it's not that big of a deal in that regard. However, I will buy games used if I wasn't that interested and felt like playing something new. I've even bought DLC for a used game just because I wanted to prolong its longevity.

My spending habits won't change. I just won't buy that game anymore, used or new. I have a budget and I'm sticking to it whether or not a developer decides to force its "buy my game new OR ELSE" policy on me. If they want to do it, fine. I just won't buy their product. EVER.

In fact, I'm almost at the point where companies are getting so greedy I'm about ready to give up video games in general. Not just because of the online pass system, but because I feel like I'm not even getting my $60 worth nowadays. I see games like Madden that, on release day, allows you to purchase additional game modes, easter eggs, and DIFFICULTY LEVELS, or other games that introduce DLC less than a month after their game releases. That, to me, says that they purposely left out that content to rake in more dough at a later date. My butt can't withstand anymore screwing.

If this is the case, then consider me 'jumping out' like a mofo.

Gamestop might go out of business if this happens....I dont think Microsoft would be that stupid to throw they're #1 game store under the bus like that, considering thats how Gamestop makes A LOT of there money, is threw used games.

Don't the game Dev realise that with the money I get for trade-ins I then buy more new games? It ain't rocket science, customers with less money buy fewer games....

Think about it?

So devs are getting even more greedy.... Some games are worth 60$, some aren't. Skyrim, Dark Souls, BF3 are worth it. Before we continue, i need to mention i think BF3 is worth the money but MW3 is not, why ? Im a level designer and use cryengine 3, and making levels like the ones in MW3 are very easy, levels like the ones in BF3 are much harder to make, they have to make a giant map, make sure the whole map is fair, interesting, and has a lot of buildings of some kind all over the map. It would take me a few hours to make a MW3 map, it would take me a week to make a BF3 map like caspian border. Dont get me wrong, i loved MW2, but MW3 just isn't worth the money for the reasons i mentioned.

Also, this could put gamestop out of business like tokyo reject said, this would effect a lot of people across the world, and every gamestop employee would lose their job most likely.

Well, at the end of the day two reasons might be a problem here, the person might not be able to afford full price so will wait and get it second hand reducing the game sales in general. and the reviews might be bad as well, or someone just doesn't like the game.

The only good I can see from console locked games is, if someone steals your game (minus the console of course) then they are screwed. Can't profit from it or use it.

I rather this dont happen though. I love to rent and get rid of games. Even though I am not hurting for money, if I am not playing something then I get rid of it by selling it back to GameStop or on eBay. All about money anyways. I am moving on the PC gaming.

how will the xbox know the game is bought used and not borrowed?

I am fine with no more used games, just bring every new game out at the $30-$40 range instead of $60 and maybe it can work cause i agree that not every game is worth $60...

Of Course! This and the RROD. Pretty awesome plan MS.

This would be a disastrous move by ms they will lose console sales in the millions resulting in developers selling less games because of fewer customers also general games sales will suffer because people will be forced to pay full price for all games resulting in them buying less games also pirating would increase etc etc. M s and the developers would suffer terribly and rightly so for getting so greedy and trying to shaft everyone. In general the games industry has faired pretty well in this vast global recession and should count themselves lucky if it aint broke dont fix it especially because of greed.

Every time I read comments complaining about how expensive games are now, I remember having to pay more than $100 CDN for new released SNES cartridges.

I don't see the problem with used game sales. It's no different than used book sales. If I go to a used book store and purchase a pre-owned book, neither the publisher nor the author receive royalties from my purchase. But I may discover a new author I wouldn't have read before, because I was wary of paying the jacket price.

If MS did take this course, I think it would be a terrible move. Used game sales are an important part of the hobby for many people.

Although I think this would be a horrible idea, it is certianly not true that games are more expensive than they have been in the past. Games cost more to make, are more complex, and are cheaper than ever. Hell, most of the shitty games today are better than most of the best games of the atari era. Some snes games were as high as 90 bucks and I can remember a few atari games in the eary 80's being 50 bucks. That's alot of money when the minimum wage was around 3 something an hour.

The sales will not increase by making the gaming access more expensive. These greedy people just dont get it. They r so dumb

This could be the beginning of the end of gaming. devs if you want us to buy your games new start making better games. Why can't we say things like, "if your game needs patching a week after release that it's not worth $60"? You devs continue to release broken games and expect us to pay full price for them. GTFO. I only buy games on release where I trust and stand by the dev that made them because they have earned my trust by delivering a great product previously.

devs dnt realize the united states aint the onli place where people play games, i live in the bahamas and a new game cost $90 i had a ps3 froM 2007 and ony ever bought about 6 games brand new close 2 release. gta4, mgs4, gt5, uncharted2&3, gears3. i rather every single game have a online pass than for used games to be gone completely, i never understand how people complain soo much residents of the U.S.A hav it soo good and all they do is fkin complain about everything like WTF.

Me apart from single player only games . That's where the problem for me is. If I buy say Fifa or Battlefield Gears etc all that I play online well that's not effecting me at all as I buy new & keep all year till he next one. However a single player only game like Skyrim or Heavy Rain when finished id sell on or trade in and that's where for me the problem would be as id be stuck with it.

I like how they treat used game buyers as piraters if not worse, what the hell?

I'll laugh my ass of when the industry goes this direction. Their profits won't change one bit. If anything they'll drop even further.

Meet them half way... a temporary code that last for one or two years, then can be played second hand. If the game cannot make money in that time, it is probably not worth paying full price.

You have rights as a consumer to "ownership". To sell, trade, or do what ever you want with
the product you bought. This would take that right away.

So, if one no longer wants a game, and he can't sell it back to the store, or to anyone, that's one useless disc. He must now throw the disc away. Multiply that by millions. Not very environmentally friendly. It's a freakin' waste. If Microsoft ever did this, it's unforgivable. They and other developers would lose even more money because they lost all their support. Not to mention, since you can't take games to your bud's house, it defeats the purpose of playing multi-player or co-op games.

Well this post with all comments have made me sleepy ive eaten the popcorn, thanks for the entertainment night folks.

Will this effect used console sells also?

I have never bought a used game. However, I fully understand why people buy used games. This kind of talk will only end up with the death af several businesses and an increase 10 fold in pirating.

i have been gaming since before some of u were born and NEVER has selling used games kept new games from being made. If a dev cant afford to make a new game its not because of used game sales but because of a weak previous game they released which didnt sell well. devs need to stop blaming used games for their lack of effort, and i dont mean all devs because some devs put pride behind their work (ND,Rocksteady) and these devs will continue to profit. Other media's sell used buy the creators dont always profit from that so why should game devs? here's a protip for ya game devs, you want 100% profit then make 100% effort games...

"I think what most consumers don’t realize is that every time they buy a used game, there is ZERO money making it back to the Game Developers. "

How ignorant is this prick?

They know, they just don't care; and rightfully so. As a consumer you have every right to sell something that YOU own.

I've been siding with developers from the get go, but was thinking that developers will make their money regardless. You can't buy a used game if someone doesnt buy it new to begin with.

The truth is is that not ALL games are worth $60 even if you liked it like fallout 3 yeah thats worth $60 but alice madness returns? I loved both of them but Alice was a $30-$40 game tops even though I enjoyed both the launch price should not be locked at $60 some games cost $100 mill some cost $10 mill why should we pay the same?

If next xbox can't play used games no buy for me plain and simple...

haha he feels "used" get it? XD

All this would do is make ppl even more frugal
since they can't trade in what they don't like.

If the xbox 720 made used games unplayable.

Would shovelware survive?
What will happen to games you don't want anymore?
Would developers release an GOTY ver rendering
the old ver useless?
What if you had more than one xbox 720?

Heres a thought.

Don't charge so much for games.

I disagree with used games being removed. What these devs are forgetting is that the person who originally buys the game, no longer has it when they trade it in. This is just like a car or most other property. Also, removing the used games market has some negative effects on sales because many people may be less willing to pay full price for a game if they know they cannot trade it in. However, if used games were removed entirely, it would help reduce piracy levels as well. It is not that expensive to be a gamer nowadays. Games tend to last a long time and there are too many great games to play that its easy not to buy anything new and instead play an older game. Digital is the way of the future but I think MS and Sony need embrace Steam's philosophy in providing good sales and deals.

Preowned is the way to go there are people out there who half to add another notch to their belt to buy a game. A used game is a cheap way to go instead of paying $60.00 to entertain the family. Or if a person who cannot afford a preowned game can go to the local video store and still be able to play the game and enjoy the game. I rented Rage and ended up buying Rage cause I liked the game. If its an overhyped title of course I am gonna rent it if the game is crap I am out $10 instead of paying for a $60 for a coaster that trades in for $15 at Gamestop. Used games are a form of currency as well if I want Lollipop Chainsaw all I have to do is trade in a few games and pay a small fee and I get a new game. This is another form of developers to get greedy. I buy the game new I own the game its my game I can do whatever I want with the copy besides pirate it. If I wanna sell it then I should be able to. Its no different then me buying a laptop using the laptop and selling the laptop cheap to some kid who needs it for school. You don't see HP, Acer or Apple trying to rape that customer because they bought a laptop cheaper than a brand new model. Developers are trying to get even greedier now a days if they want me to buy brand new games they better be AAA all the time.

Ok, you want a grrreat game with the best engine, best graphics in a 720 at 60 dollars but you dont care about how much developers spend, if they have benefits...........then you are really contradicting your self because you should support what you like and it is video games. When they win big, they invest big.
I know a lot of people that dont buy games they just downloading them but is it fear?
What is fear?
What will bring better, bigger and new franchises is to make them win!
If they win.........we win!
So i dont care about used games, i care more about developers earns health....

We want better games but complain when developers make good points. PS3 fans call developers lazy too. If you want better games, don't give your money to Game Stop, etc. Give it to the guy who worked the long hours. I support both Sony and MS doing this. Try to trade in a "new" game and GS will give you next to nothing; then they sell it for $5 under the new price. Try working for free. It sucks.

Why are games any different than any other consumer product? Cars get sold used many more times than games. The only one that profits off that is the seller and the government in taxes.

Also; they are charging $10 dollars more than what a Genesis and SNES game costed in the 90s. Yet they spend a lot more than back then. Better music score, complex storylines, online, etc. Last time I checked, going to the theater is almost $15 for 2-hours (90 mins). Take a family out, that's $60. You want premium; you must pay. Just like the PS3 fans that complain about "lazy developers." They're not lazy; it takes resources to develop good games.

I'll bite and play devil's advocate here.

A lot of the arguments I see center on the "greedy developer" mentality. Or that developers efforts (games) aren't worth full price. While I respect that opinion it's also important to note the consequences of those stances.

Mainly, by buying used you're rewarding used retailers and not the people behind the game. That more or less will result in smaller developers going under. We've seen a lot of that this generation. Larger developers swallowing up the little guys. Seen that too. Less innovative games or less of a willingness to take a chance on a new IP and instead a focus on sequels to already popular franchises. Plenty of that.

That of course leads to the endless moan and groan about how developers suck b/c they don't make innovative, new IPs. How we don't need yet another CoD sequel and so forth.

Gamers are a funny bunch. I agree that there are many titles not worth buying on day 1 at full retail. But what about the titles that are? Shouldn't the people responsible for logging in the hours to produce your next gaming obsession get their due? Or are you really willing to see more and more developers close their doors b/c you're too focused on "me"?

Also, while I know that some studios/pubs are doing very well many are not. In fact EA is one of those developers riding the knife's edge of profitability and financial losses pretty much every year. Don't believe me? Look up their annual financial reports yourself.

First let me start out by saying this, thank goodness for the used game market. Some developers are lazy that puts out a game for $60 where as a lot of times it's not even worth $60. I can't stress how many times I've purchased a brand new game for 60 bucks and it wasn't even worth it. A total waste if money. Gfx sucked, bugs, terrible gameplay, weak online, 5 hrs of short gameplay and my favorite last but not least a lot of the games arnt next gen or does anything ground breaking.

Used games are advertisements. If I buy a game used and it's good, I mite just by a digital copy or buy part 2 to that game when it drops. What they want us to do? Keep buying the same game over and over? I've purchased games where they were good beat it and trade it in then later on went back and buy it again only used the second time. If developers stop being lazy and make good quality lengthy games that are actually worth 60 bucks I don't think people would mind buying games. Quality sells nonsense does not.

If xbox also drops their new system where u can't play used games, that would be stupid and they just handed sales and the crown to it's competitors. Just keep making money off of your dlc's isn't thT enough? The article said the game industry made billions with just dlc's. So stop being greedy and let the used game market do their thing. As long as there are physical discs they can't stop the used games.

Used games is the only way to know for sure if a game is worth the asking price a developers tags on their games because I sure as he'll won't spend $60 on a wack game.

Wow. The number of people who honestly believe that devs give a crap about people who buy used is amazing.

Devs and players of used games aren't business partners at all, outside of used games players freeloading MP services, and the devs having to charge for DLC to pay for it.

If I were a dev, I'd be GLAD if only 20% the number of players played my game online... at least everyone playing would have helped support the service, and I could run 20% the number of servers for the next few years.

"Screw people who don't buy new", would be my stance, too. Used players should be SCREAMING at places like GameStop to share used profits with devs.

How is it okay that used retail profits CLOBBER the profits of the devs, on the same products? All they do is take your money and flip you the bird once you leave the store.

In latest headlines General Motors want a ban on used car sales...
Honestly all the devs can grow a ____

Wah wah....used games
wah wah...piracy
wah wah...making games is hard
Maybe your game just sucks and you're overpaid. Average of 6 figures for a game developer is just silly.

Lots of games are not worth $60 new. If dev/pub would not charge $60 for sub par games then I would not have a problem getting new games only.

So basically prevent used games from being played. I guess that would destroy the videogame rental industry. Places like blockbuster gamefly etc. That pay a premium to buy bulks of a game so they can rent it out. That's like cutting out one of your organs. It'd hurt them more than anything.

I disagree with limiting used sales, however, used game sales do shrink the profits from a game developer. If their highest sales are made when a game first comes out, they should implement a no used games policy for the first few months, then after that, open it up for used game sales. I see no problem with this. Developers are trying to protect their investment when a game goes to market, but once the firestorm to buy the brand new game dies out, they shouldn't try to restrict the use of used game sales.

I think this would be a fair deal for both sides. I don't ever buy games new, so none of this really affects me, but I do wind up buying used games if they're still ultra expensive a few years afterwards, and I'd hate to not be able to do this. I prefer to wait for black Friday sales on Amazon, since they typically come out cheaper than at Gamestop, but sometimes I'll wander into a store and buy a used game.

Then stop charging $60 for 5 hour game!
Regardless, people trading in/selling their games though, often translates into new sales though...

I honestly do not think Microsoft are stupid enough to do this. All it will do is drive most gamers to Sony or Nintendo.

The only way Microsoft will do this if they know that Sony are going to do it to.

Well as soon as everyone wakes up and realizes that we control the outcome us gamers can all be happy. We made the game industry we can destroy it. We can force these devs to do what we want and remove online passes etc. just stop supporting them, because everytime you buy one of their games you say "okay f*** me up the a**".

Hey look man, my ethnic background is from one of those indian countries. I'm brown so I'm cheap as fuck. I always buy stuff used. Sorry man, thats just how I roll.

Well I don't get this....I really don't!

People bitch and cry and whine about piracy all freaking day long and not a single fuck is given to another form of piracy - game rentals!

Well before someone goes all "Yeah, but we pay for rentals" just remember, no MONEY IS GOING TO THE DEVELOPER! YOU ARE JUST FEEDING THE RENTAL COMPANIES! Online Pass? Well 80% of people are against that! Just want to try the game before buying the game? OMG pirates do that too!

Rentals are just another form of piracy, but people turn a blind eye towards it just because they think they are paying for the game! Open your eyes!

And yeah I pirate games....I buy games which I will truly love and support the developer whole-heartedly(esp indie) and pirate games for demo purposes or games which I don't have any interest in but still want to give it a try! Well we don't even have rentals here!

I just hate when people turn a blind eye towards something so obvious and bash another similar thing like their life depends on it!

Wake up and smell the truth dear gamers!

/rant

you talk like you don't have choice.....i mean if the game don't have the value then don't buy it.
We need strong earns for developers then we can ask for good games.
Thats why Uncharted and God of War didn't sell as much because used games, is it fear?

Gears of war in another hand sell a lot because of the content online......is more difficult to find it used.
So if the game has more value in time then will be more difficult to buy it used but is not that easy.

I don't generally buy used games, as I normally pick them up close to the release date. However, this is a lame argument by the developer IMO. You don't hear car manufactures complaining about used car sales impacting their bottom line. Now if you want to talk about piracy hurting your bottom line I'm all ears...

Fuck this guy and his blog he wants us to lay down as consumer and only consume, never produce never resell he is a tool for the gaming corporations and he deserved to have his blog harassed by angry gamers because we need to make a clear statement to the gaming companies that they can fuck off if they try to do what hes saying

Make god damn good games that really deserve a buy. The buyer may chose another alternative with a game that don't deserve to be purchased at full new price because the game simply doesn't deserve that if proves to be low quality. It's like they want to force the buyer to buy even the last piece of garbage. This is no excuse stop whining and make good games.

If there is one thing I've learned about the gaming public is they can be a very loud voice and they rally behind their cause. MS would never create a system that limits the play of used games. It would be the biggest misstep in gaming console history.

A video game studio wants to make a game. But before, they need to team up with a publisher. Now, the publisher do a market research looking for prospects buyers and comes up with an statistical "average/median" number of expected sales for that game.

Now that they "know" how many copies will be sold, they compare that number versus the expected production cost.

How many $ is gonna cost me the license? (That is a fixed number.)
How many $ the studio is taking in the deal?
How much $ is gonna cost me to produce the game?
How much $ will be invested in marketing?
How much $ is gonna cost me to physically produce the game and distribute it to the stores? (That is a fixed number p/ Unit)
How much $ is gonna cost me to sustain and support the game once is launched (DLC and Software Updates)?

If the total investment is equal or less vs the expected sales, the game is canned to wait for the right market window, or worse, the game is reworked to fit the current market and got launched as "shelvewere".

Studios rarely talk about it because is bad for their business, but many great ideas got canned, cancelled, or reworked everyday because publishers don't want to put their money on a game that is not gonna make a profit. Cant blame them for that. After all, business is business.

We as gamers are forgetting that the video games industry is a business industry. They work hard to deliver games because they want a pay check. If we keep failing to give in return that "pay check", then don't cry and complain when companies like Capcom start pulling business stunts, like selling DLC as a whole game (MvsC3), EA f*ck your @ss with an "Online Pass" or Microsoft enforce the rumored anti-used game policy. You had it coming. Because most of you don't want to work your @ss and all you want is to laid in the comfort of your couch, stupidly thinking that every employee at a video game company is a millionaire and that they have unlimited amounts of money.

Did you remember what happened to the music industry ten years ago? Do you want that to happen to video games ten years from now?

Now, after you hit the "disagree" on my comment, do some research and inform yourselves. Everything you need to know about video games business model is out there. You know, you can use google to search for other things and not just games and porn. Use it. Educate yourselves.

Tell me again how the multiplatform strategy was supposed to fix everything. Look at your results and compare them to Nintendo, which keeps thriving with exclusives. Your loyal fans are gone. And let’s not forget the pile of IPs you purchased only to let them rot.

The worst thing is this is down from last years numbers/expectations which was down from the previous years numbers/expectations. You think about how long “down” has been a consistent part of the communication and you realize those subscriptions are what’s holding that boat together. The price cut of gamespass is still a price raise in a string of price raises. They are trying to use players to offset the missing revenue. Now call of duty is out of gamespass, which is literally WHY they bought the company. To draw people to the subscription. They realized they missed a boatload of money and that wasn’t sustainable. Now you pay for it like you would have if they never bought the company… so why buy the company? Mind you those billions still need to be paid back. Yeah it gives you a chance to say we make the biggest FPS… but the internal conversations must be brutal at high level on topics that really matter. Like revenue. Profitability. And ROI for the shopping spree.

Is this like the 10th quarter in a row they're down 33% on hardware how is that even mathematically possible. You would think their mediocrity would Plateau

Helix will be expensive but it's still a day one for me.

Oh, my days...
So Nadella meets with the US president multiple times to ensure AI regulations are minimal if any at all, donates to the inauguration and ballroom, and his boy not only won't regulate AI as farmers lose land and billionaires/corporations buy up farmland to build data centers...but because he's insane and compromised, he starts a war on behalf of a rogue colonial zionist state and [further] destabilizes the Middle East, restricting component access and helium supply.

Now the head of Xbox is saying the hardware pricing "could impact" next generation hardware pricing? Asha,...your boss at a minimum played a direct role in this. What are we even talking about?

Yea because a $3 trillion company can’t absorb the majority of the cost to keep the product lower for consumers.

Expensive… oh no, here comes another flop.

Could? Strange how prices rise for virtually everything we buy, yet when things settle down, prices don't come down. This has been happening in the UK probably before I was born. With that, how much is a next gen console going to cost? Look at the price of the PlayStation 5 Pro, which has been a flop for Sony. On that note, we don't need the next consoles for another 5 years.

I guarantee if people just stopped buying this kinda stuff all together. This would all be sorted within 2 weeks and everything would be back to normal.

We seen the exact same thing through the COVID period. Companies just jumped on the bandwagon realising that they can get away with charging far more under false pretences and fear mongering.

Consumers now have this fear of "you know what, I only live once. I'm going to spend all this money I earned through my hard work" Or "I only live once I'm going to take a loan out and enjoy my time here".

Silicone Valley spends literally billions of dollars researching how much they can push society to the limits to increase spending. You can research it yourself. There's published written documentation about it. Have a look for yourself into their group research into subscription programs to see how evil they are and why it's such a giant focus of current civilization. Its the very essence of corporate capitalism.

Just delay all new consoles. I could easily go another 5 years with my base PS5.

could? it's already affecting current gen pricing.

It is greed. Apple are selling at the same price, while Microsoft Surface increases 500$ per unit. Karma will tell.