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Microsoft Points – don’t get rid of this virtual currency

Jack Turner: Along with rumours about the next Xbox’s capabilities, another emerged about the way we buy content on the Xbox 360 and other Microsoft devices. It could soon scrap its virtual currency system; Microsoft Points.

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greeneggsnsam5227d ago

The left over points are too annoying to overlook, it leaves me with wasted money!

hellvaguy5227d ago

Its all psychological. You dont really need that extra $1-2 dollars of points to be at zero at all times. If your that tight on money, you should get into a cheaper hobby like scrapbooking.

Godmars2905227d ago

That $1-2 is money MS has in its bank earning a tenth to a hundredth of a cent yearly. As totaled from over millions of accounts.

TheoreticalParticle5227d ago

Uh, scrapbooking costs a lot of money.

spicelicka5227d ago (Edited 5227d ago )

That doesnt make sense, the point is that it's unethical and pathetic of microsoft to force extra $2 out of every transaction just so the customers are forced to buy useless virtual avatar crap, which should be free anyway...

If instead that money went to charity then i'd be happy.

hellvaguy5227d ago

Geez to think I always leave over $1,000 in my checking account at all times. Imagine how many more times powerful $1000 is over 1 dollar?! Im gunna go rage the bank for allowing this to happen and have left overs in the account.

Godmars2905227d ago (Edited 5227d ago )

Um, you know that banks use your money as venture capital right? The collateral for loads inside your community as well for ones around the world? That where they get to keep most profits from those, they then will nickel and dime you to further increase their income. This times every other account they have.

What MS does with your left over points is more akin to a cashier keeping your change from a purchase, "holding" it in the form of store credit, but for all other purposes its all their money from the moment you gave it to them.

Sony does the exact same thing with that penny because you had to had over $10 to buy something at $9.99, but its just a penny.

Until you go into the whole pre-paid card thing...

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Megaton5227d ago

That's exactly why point schemes like these exist. To get you to have leftovers, wasted money, unless you buy more.

RedDead5227d ago (Edited 5227d ago )

Yeah but the ability to buy cheap never really came to my mind, if you get 25%(or more) of points from Ebay or something you are saving alot of money. For example 2100 points is 18.88 on Ebay. It's 27 euro in shops(I think it is anyway) that's over 30% off.

techie5227d ago

But then as this guy says - you still have left over money in your PlayStation Store wallet as there's a £5 minimum.

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Jallen5227d ago

Finally, I hate MS Points and Wii points. The only good thing about it I've experienced is that occasionally MS gives away points.

Brosy5227d ago

I couldn't care less either way. Keep or not I don't care.

arnyftw5227d ago

I agree with the article, ms points are much cheaper than real money like on psn. And you can have discounts and stuff which you cant with real money. I would rather spend 1200 ms points on a dlc than like $25

cr33ping_death5227d ago

how are they cheaper??? if you have to buy DLC that is a certain price you have to buy more points than needed... whereas you can just pay the exact amount the PSN.

Aloren5227d ago

Let's say you wanna buy a 1600pts game, which is about 20 euros.
If you get your points on live, you have to get 2000MS points for 24 euros.
If you buy a card, you can get 2100pts for 19 euros.

In the end, you pay 19 euros instead of 20, and you have 500pts left.

So yeah, that qualifies as cheaper to me. For anyone who knows how to use them, MS points are much more interesting than real money.

techie5227d ago

Well, the article gives an actual example to compare so he has a point.

Plus, you can't pay the exact amount on PSN. You have to put money into your wallet at £5 intervals... diff in the US?

cr33ping_death5227d ago

@techie...i have never had to pay more than what the asking price was.... not sure if its different.

techie5227d ago

Hm, but don't you need to put a set amount into your wallet, where the transaction is then taken from? So if something is £2, I have put £5 into my wallet, where £2 is then taken, leaving £3 left in my wallet...

cr33ping_death5227d ago

@techie.... everything i have ever bought was over 5 dollars so i wouldnt know... could be.

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Persistantthug5227d ago

Why would the discounting have to end?

Aloren5227d ago

Because as far as I know, no shop offers to buy 20 bucks for 15 bucks... the discount you can get with ms points is an additional discount, not related to stuffs like "deal of the week".

arnyftw5227d ago

I've noticed that you never get discounts for psn credit, while you get discounts all the time for ms points

lorianguy5227d ago

@arnyFTW

My local GAME store reguarly sells £25 PSN cards for £20. I bought two the other day.

koehler835227d ago (Edited 5227d ago )

The idea that being able to hoard points purchased at a discount is a positive aspect of the currency is a skinner box response.

You have been conditioned to pay money you have now based on the potential to save money on something you may want later. Um.. just put it in the bank and accrue some interest. Or actually invest it somewhere.

Your money is more valuable to you in your pocket than in Microsoft's.

If you just -happen- to find some MS points at a discount the day before you were planning on spending money anyway, well hey granted, it's a positive thing for a consumer in a very rare circumstance. Much like winning the lottery vindicates one idiot out of millions.

Aloren5227d ago (Edited 5227d ago )

"You have been conditioned to pay money you have now based on the potential to save money on something you may want later. Um.. just put it in the bank and accrue some interest. Or actually invest it somewhere."

I'd say spending 20 bucks in advance to get a 20 to 30% bonus on your purchasing power is a pretty good investment. Well, it is for anyone who regularly buys games anyway. But I guess if you intend to never buy another xbla game again, it's a waste indeed.

trouble_bubble5227d ago (Edited 5227d ago )

There's rarely anything on PSN or XBLA that catches my eye as is. I spend most of my time playing retail games. Why stock up on points cards just to play winners like 'Amy', lol?

Maybe if someone buys a lot of DLC or online passes for some reason, but then they're probably rich enough to just buy newer games anyways.

Why spend just to look at an account of monopoly money grow that gathers no interest, when you can just keep it in your wallet and spend it as needed? Just cuz something's on sale, doesn't mean you have to buy it. I've passed on $4.99 brand new retail Move games at BestBuy because I simply didn't need them, great price notwithstanding.

techie5227d ago

Plus you can get discounts on PSN cards anyway.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai25d ago (Edited 25d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio24d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing24d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9224d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit24d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing24d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9224d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay26d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn227d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn226d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown27d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay26d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay26d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac26d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger27d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300027d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde27d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde26d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7528d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_26d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.