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Epic Games comments on Xbox 720

The topic regarding next generation - especially regarding the Xbox 360 successor - has been heated up in recent weeks. Epic Games, the developer behind the Gears of War series and creator of the Unreal Engine, has commented on the Xbox 720.

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Sanetoshi5221d ago

It seems odd for them to talk about the longevity of this console generation when, as far as I can tell, it hasn't really surpassed the length of the standard console generation yet. Five or six years is generally about how long they last, so the idea that this one is so long that it's worth noting seems strange.

da_2pacalypse5221d ago (Edited 5221d ago )

Console generations are going to get shorter as the years pass, this because the cost of CPU, GPU, intel chips etc etc follow an inverse exponential law. In addition, as these costs begin to lower and lower, the demand for better graphics will be a factor in the gaming industry. Just look at the difference between the PC and console versions of Battlefield 3.

while I don't always agree that graphics make or break a game, it is certainly a factor in certain genres and more processing power can lead to great new innovations. I think this console cycle is about a year or two away from being done. That's 9 years for the xbox360 if the next xbox comes out in 2014 (which it likely will). I think that's a pretty good number of years considering how much more advanced PC processing power has become.

SilentNegotiator5221d ago

"Console generations are going to get shorter as the years pass, this because the cost of CPU, GPU, intel chips etc etc follow an inverse exponential law. In addition, as these costs begin to lower and lower, the demand for better graphics will be a factor in the gaming industry"

You just explained the entire history of gaming/technology. Why would it suddenly mean "shorter generations"? Hardware has ALWAYS been becoming more powerful and demand has always followed.

The Xbox 360 is going on 7 years! The 6th gen was basically about the same time. Generations aren't getting shorter. Creating hardware still takes time to profit and once they start making profit, they're not wanting to throw it away fast.

morganfell5221d ago (Edited 5221d ago )

While we are reflecting on Epic's comments we should also remember other remarks they have made. Mainly these.

First, Sweeney, Capps, and Rein have stated that we won't see the next Unreal engine until around 2014. By seen they mean in a retail game.

http://www.joystiq.com/2011...

He even goes so far in the interview to state this:

"I spend about 60 percent of my time every day doing research work that's aimed at our next generation engine and the next generation of consoles," Sweeney told IGN, adding that this "technology that won't see the light of day until probably around 2014."

You can add to this the other prominent lines Epic has toed on a regular basis:

http://www.develop-online.n...

"Our Samaritan concept, if you look at PC hardware in two or four years’ time, is something that the next consoles can achieve."

And this:

"And the other thing I’ll call out; I want Unreal Engine 4 to be ready far earlier than UE3 was; not a year after the consoles are released. I think a year from a console’s launch is perfectly fine for releasing a game, but not for releasing new tech. We need to be there day one or very early. That’s my primary focus."

If Epic says the next generation won't be ready until 2014, if they say they want Unreal 4 to be a launch engine for next generation, and that engine won't be ready until 2014, it is fairly obvious what Epic, who work closely with the hardware manufacturers, is telling us.

DigitalAnalog5221d ago (Edited 5221d ago )

That's some pretty good investigation there. However, we're beginning to see more 3rd party engines revealing this gen most notably the Frostbite 2.0 as well as the Cryengine 3. If "next-gen" specs are to be believed, then you would know that it would take a lot more to bring out the potential for these engines.

That being said, the UE4 may be the first "jump" in next-gen 3rd party engine, but I doubt they would be the deciding factor for the release of next-gen. Now that SONY and Nintendo are getting the huge picture for "easy-to-develop" for system on top of the online component which MS has been dominating for years.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if MS were to release the console early because right now it is in a very disadvantage position knowing both Nintendo and SONY both have the first party studios AND the support to be extremely competitive. The Vita is a prime indication of that, think what would happen to a market when the only deciding factor is not whether the console is "hard-to-develop" for but whether which games or hardware that stands out, and MS's only trump card is the Kinect.

sikbeta5220d ago (Edited 5220d ago )

@da_2pacalypse

Not gonna happen, people will not buy an updgraded console every 2-3 years, Consoles are made to last as long as they can, every gen last 6 years max

This gen is was going to last more, beacause the transition from SD to HD was too freaking expensive for Devs and Publishers and they wanted to get as much cash as they could, but when the Wii-U comes out, this gen will be left behind, doesn't matter IF Nintendo is playing catch up with tech

What I can see about HW is what MS did this gen, make a basic model and release new revisions with added functionality and stuff, so keep an affordable price, when manufacturing costs go down, Console Makers can add some new s*** in their HW

I'm thinking IF Sony was smart and use some common sense, they'd upgrade their Vita (using their Mobile-Phone arm/division) to make it more competitive with Smartphones and s*** but it ain't happening :P maybe 4G with some luck :)

O-T

I want to know If Epic is helping MS again to make their Xbox Next like they did with X360, thanks to them X360 got more RAM, so maybe they're telling to MS what they want for Next Gen, of course nothing crazy and expensive to run Samaritan, but some pretty great stuff for sure

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Kushan5221d ago

5 or 6 years? The 360 was out in 2005, the PS3 in 2006. If a new console was to come out this year, that'd be 6 or 7 years. Next year it'll be 7 or 8 years...I don't really see why people think this generation is still "young". Going by your logic, we should have had a new console last year.

SixZeroFour5221d ago

i dont get why everyone is all of a sudden not wanting a new console, its due time by now...i mean lets look at PS since it has more generations

ps (dec 1994) - ps2 (oct 2000) = about 6 years
ps2 (oct 2000) - ps3 (nov 2006) = about 6 years

going on this trend, ps4 or whatever they call it, is due this year atleast by the last quarter

xbox (nov 2001) - xbox 360 (nov 2005) = 4 years

its almost 7 years since, it think its about time for a new xbox

MariaHelFutura5221d ago

Finally, some one who knows what they're talking about.

Bubbles +1

Koloss5220d ago (Edited 5220d ago )

SixZeroFour, the previous generations lasted as long as they did because of how limited they were in terms of technology and content. The PS3 and Xbox 360 are several steps beyond their predecessors and both systems are more versatile than ever. They can upgrade to handle new technologies and peripherals. You can now download new content to your games to make them last longer. Therefore, the lifespan of a system is elongated. The only time a new system should be released is when there is something truely worth upgrading for that the current systems can't handle. Graphics? Sure they might get much better, but that alone would not constitute a new system these days. Both systems seem to be doing great right now and still have some momentum left in them.

oohWii5220d ago

Can someone point out to me where Epic actually spoke of the xbox 720 as the title say? I could find that in this article.

I appreciate the assistance.

Thanks.

fullymoated5220d ago

I can’t believe people aren’t more outraged at this. We’re all sitting at home with nice HD TVs, playing games powered by 7 year old hardware. We needed a new console last year. Not this year. Not next year. Definitely not 2014 when the xbox 360 will be NINE years old.

sikbeta5220d ago

We need new consoles that's for sure, thanks N fo realize that and stepping up with a poweful console this time, sure MS knwos that as well and the current X360 success will not let them change their mind about releasing a new console asap!

Koloss5220d ago (Edited 5220d ago )

Sikbeta & Fullymoated, like I said, age doesn't matter much anymore. This day in age, consoles can adapt to almost anything that is released. Sony and Microsoft were aiming for a 10 year span anyway, and I'm sure they'd be happy if it reached that point. That goal will probably be cut short just to compete with Nintendo's Wii U though. Don't be surprised if the next systems last an actual 10-15 years because they just might be fully adaptable to anything.

If you think that's a long time, wait until Moore's Law screws us over. We won't be seeing anything for a loooong time. Besides, wouldn't it be great to spend your money on a system that can last that long?

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Kushan5221d ago

The 360 was out in 2005, the PS3 in 2006. If a new console was to come out this year, that'd be 6 or 7 years. Next year it'll be 7 or 8 years...I don't really see why people think this generation is still "young".

ProjectVulcan5221d ago (Edited 5221d ago )

From the article: "So you should only replace the hardware when you can make a dramatic leap in quality, not just 2X or 3X. It has to be huge and fundamentally new"

Plus the talk of moving to mobile gaming.

Does this equal a veiled pop at Nintendo/Microsoft if they underdeliver on the spec fronts....? Could this be Epic saying we aren't impressed with your hardware, so we are moving away to alternative platforms?

I don't think they could afford to drop home consoles altogether as they have a great revenue stream. But maybe they are genuinely switching focus somewhat.

Sheikh Yerbouti5221d ago

I read as this.

"The 720. Yeah, we did the 360 and did it well. We're sure we'll be there with the 720."

"But what is really new for us is mobile gaming and we're excited about our prospects for that too."

Hayabusa 1175221d ago

No, I read that they're going for a Unity style engine that is consistent across many platforms: including web and mobile devices.

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RaidensRising5221d ago

Other than the demo video, I can't wait to see what Epic will do with its Unreal Engine in a practical scenario.

DeathAvengers5221d ago

Why is this getting disagrees? Lol?

FriedGoat5221d ago

I think its because there is not enough REVENGANCE in his comment.

da_2pacalypse5221d ago

One word: Trolls. This site has many!

jazzking20015221d ago

Can't wait to see more of their Simaratan demo

juggulator5221d ago

The Simaratan demo wasn't Unreal Engine 4. It's Unreal Engine 3 with DX11.

Pjuice5221d ago (Edited 5221d ago )

epic actually calls simaratan with dx11 unreal 3.9 so im sure 4.0 won't be to far off of what the next engine will look like for consoles to bad pc gamers with nice rigs could have it now and with kepler and ati 7 series around the corner sli or xfire would prolly run it easily :-( after being optimized they could prolly get it to run on one 560ti pretty insane.

http://www.geforce.com/News...

Pjuice5221d ago (Edited 5221d ago )

watch the video at the bottom of my link above the prez of epic mike capps says there calling it unreal 3.95

JsonHenry5221d ago

Seemed to me he spent more time talking about a game engine that runs in a browser environment being used to make games with a broader appeal.

His statement about not having a large install base also makes me think they are gonna wait a while to release anything on new hardware.

Kushan5221d ago

Epic won't wait, they didn't wait when the 360 and PS3 came out and the result was that practically half the games on both consoles are made with the Unreal Engine. The lower install base actually helps Epic, because developers want to risk as little as possible on a new platform, but if they can target multiple platforms with a solid engine, then it works out best for them. I wouldn't be surprised if Unreal 4 was ported to the PS360 for that very reason - you can make your game for the current gen install base while also hitting the next gen console's early adopters.

JsonHenry5221d ago

They waited a year to release Gears of War. They will wait a year or more to release their first next gen xbox game as well.

They have to please investors. And investors want to see big launches and big returns.

cyguration5221d ago

In reply to your comment about "waiting to release Gears of War", you are incorrect sir, Gears of War was already in development and if possible, would have been a launch title.

They didn't wait at all they were actually rushing, which is why Gears had a lot of texture tearing and poor streamlined loading. Kushan is correct, it's a bidding war for engines and the sooner Epic gets something out the sooner more people will license the UE for "next-gen" projects.

Right now they're in stiff competition against Crytek with the CryEngine and EA with DICE's Frostbite. You can bet your bottom dollar EA will have a launch title lined up for the PS4/Xbox 720 running on the latest Frostbite and we already know Avalanche has a new game in the works using their latest engine and I'm pretty sure Crytek has something, too.

Half-Mafia5221d ago

Epic was the reason MS put 512mb RAM and not 256mb in the 360. They showed MS what Gears would look like on 256mb and then showed how much better it would be with 512mb.

gypsygib5221d ago

I hope all the next-gen game engines emphasize massive destructibility, AI and physics.

jessupj5221d ago

This ^^

As far as those things you mentioned their hasn't been much changed in the last ten years.

You'd think with all that power that'd be a tonne of physics stuff going on.

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Can We Call The Xbox 720 The Xbox Trinity...Please?

Gaming Blend "So we've been rustling up rumors for Microsoft's next-gen console a lot in the past couple of months and one thing that has bothered readers more than the rumors themselves is the name the Xbox 720. I propose we do away with the "720" and go with the name our readers voted for in the first place: Xbox Trinity."

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PS3ROCKS5215d ago (Edited 5215d ago )

OK

Xtrinity

zeal0us5215d ago

Xbox=Father
Xbox360=Son
Xbox720 or w/e it name will be=Holy Ghost

There have you have it, the Xbox trinity.

MariaHelFutura5215d ago (Edited 5215d ago )

The Trinity isn't just for Christianity. It represents the Deity, Man/The flesh and the Vehicle. All three lead to enlightenment, which is what the "All Seeing Eye" is. In Christianity it would represent God (the father), Jesus (the son) and The Bible (the vehicle), Heaven would be the enlightenment. To me, it represents something entirely different than getting to heaven. Watch "Meet Me Halfway" by the Black Eyed Peas, it is entirely based on this.

zeal0us5215d ago

Thx for the lesson Maria. I was saying it as joke btw.

MariaHelFutura5215d ago

I know, it start as a comment and turned into a lecture. Sorry. :)

Bathyj5214d ago

Whats wrong with Xbox3?

Oh yeah.

I think I know, but Napoleon might be able to explain it better.

Neko_Mega5214d ago

I'm betting it is going to be Xbox 720, seeing how Real Steal had that in the movie (Don't see why Micosoft would let a fake name be shown).

I just hope it doesn't look like this thing, because that looks like a Wii with a small xbox wannabe hard drive.

Mr Tretton5214d ago

No way will it be '720'. That is just beyond lame. 720 is just meant to be a joke.

dragunrising5214d ago

Thats funny- just watched Real Steel. Bing was advertised as well as "Xbox 720." It could have been a joke or perhaps its a confusing placeholder for a proper name.

thebudgetgamer5214d ago

Only if it's molded to look like John Lithgows face

phatpahari5214d ago

after that i can predict the another release with name called Xbox 1080 lol

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Analyzing Skyrim Creation Kit reactions

InEnt writes: Skyrim excitement has reached new heights this weekend with the news that Skyrim’s Creation Kit would be available to download for free in two days time, which has been met with cheers and jealously from certain console gamers. We’ve spent a few hours over the last few days reading reactions to the preview for Skyrim’s Creation Kit, and it’s clear many gamers are extremely excited and think Bethesda “are the best“. This view is not shared among all gamers on all platforms and while some console users take the news with a pinch of salt, others are filled with disappointment and jealously.

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danswayuk5214d ago

Cannot wait for Tuesday and the Skyrim Creation Kit, although it would be nice to see some deal worked out with Sony and Microsoft for mods on consoles. They can also learn a lot this generation and bring better mod support for the Xbox 720 and PS4.

Parapraxis5214d ago

360 & PS3 owners shouldn't be dissapointed or jealous, Bethesda never said mods would come to consoles.
It would be really nice to have them, but I think most people buying those versions realized that it was very unlikely.

RavageX5214d ago (Edited 5214d ago )

You know what's sad? They COULD have mod support with the PS3. Unreal Tournament 3 did, I see no reason Skyrim or Fallout couldn't.

They tried to say that it seems they couldn't come to some sort of agreement with Sony/Microsoft but what I believe they MEAN is they couldn't for both PS3 and 360.

Considering the poor effort they have done with fixing issues/properly supporting their previous games on consoles(mainly PS3) I am not really surprised.

When I do play their open world games, it will always be on PC. Just too risky to deal with their console versions.

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T-Model Ford consoles need Xbox 720/PS4

InEnt writes: We’ve seen a number of current Xbox 360 and PS3 owners feel that a release in 2013 is way to soon, and while we know there are those that would object to the idea of a PS4 or more likely an Xbox 720 coming next year you have to think about the age of the current hardware from Sony and Microsoft.

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danswayuk5216d ago

The console hardware is getting really old now, although rushing next-gen machines would be a mistake.

reynod5216d ago

Yes console hardware is old, however its not like people dont have another option. PC gaming can easily be used as an alternative option. Specially with services like Steam out, people can get a very console like experience on the PC. Hence if you are desperately looking for a performance upgrade and feel this gen is too long in the tooth I would strongly recommend going PC.

danswayuk5215d ago

Is PC a good idea for gaming in the living room?

CBaoth5215d ago

Why wouldn't it be? You literally could have just the tower sitting in/next to your entertainment hub. Nearly every modern GPU has a HDMI port anyway so hook it up to the big screen if you like. If your wife/GF has accepted gaming on consoles on the living room why would she suddenly develop an aversion to PC gaming?

tehpees35215d ago

Its not too soon imo. I don't know why people are saying it is. Just because Sony isn't ready for PS4 doesn't mean the world isn't. I'm more than ready. The people who aren't ready just don't have to buy it.

danswayuk5215d ago

I expect Microsoft to 1up Sony again and bring the Next Xbox out first.

Droid Control5215d ago

I don't know anyone that doesn't want a 720 or PS4.
Everyone is ready for some next-gen goodness.

360 is 7 years old. It will be 8 if the 720 comes out next year. That more than enough time.

360 might be doing well this year with Kinect, but how long can it last? Will Kinct still be selling this well in 2014? I doubt it.

Even M$ will want to release the 720 next year if they have any sense at all.

danswayuk5215d ago

Any gamer that has owned the Xbox 360 or PS3 since its first release will be thinking "I AM READY".

Abdou235215d ago

I think people who say it's too soon are just poor bastards who can't afford new ones.

danswayuk5215d ago

Or only just got a PS3 or Xbox 360 last year.

die_fiend5215d ago

True...I can't see how 6 years after release is 'too soon', when the last Xbox was around for about 4 years. Y would anyone not want new consoles?! If you're too bummy to afford it, don't bother buying, but many of us are gagging for sweet graphics

DebateMaster5214d ago

Not everyone got a ps3 or 360 six years ago. Do some people on this site live in the real world?

Genki5215d ago

You can rattle on and on about how old these consoles will be by year x, y, or z, but that doesn't change the fact that this generation was nearly crippled by hardware that struggled to keep up with the software written for it.

1080p and 3D WILL be standard next gen, take that to the bank. I'd bet a dime to a dollar that if consoles were released next year that they would face the same struggles that this generation faces. 720p HD gaming is a shaky standard at best. Consider how many games strain to reach it and/or are rendered at sub-HD resolutions just to have a stable frame rate. All the while we have the gaming media, fanboys, and even publishers telling us that our machines are state of the art and capable of running the most beautiful games our eyes have ever seen.

The fact of the matter is that the issues we're seeing today will not be acceptable by tomorrow's standards. If new consoles release tomorrow and run into the same problems, expect the community to once again be clamoring for yet an another new generation of hardware within 2 years.

Also keep in mind that a resolution jump isn't free; we can't assume that since 1080p will be the standard that games will automatically look and play better. That takes processing power and memory, and combined with 3d, it is entirely within the realm of possibility that if new consoles were to release LAST YEAR as many people had wished, that games would look very much the same vice the resolution difference. Let's not forget that another limiting factor is cost, which I can assure you won't be forgiving considering the state of the world economy.

My hope is that the next crop of consoles will release when they are truly ready, unlike the current gen. If waiting until even 2015 means that I can have lag-free 60fps 3D spllit-screen games in 1080p, then so be it. I've got plenty to do until then.

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