The movie industry has absolutely nothing to do with the install base of next gen movie players. It has everything to do with next gen actual "MOVIE" sales. Blu ray makes no sense. You pay 500 plus more for more disc space but no improvement on video or audio quality? That ain't going to fly with "most" consumers. Movie "Watchers" want top notch picture quality and sound. At the best price available. Thats why special editions of movies with extra content don't sell nearly as well as the standard movies discs. "Most" people don't care about the behind the scenes footage or bonus content. And both blu ray and HD dvd can hold the movie and much much more. And with both releasing discs that hold more and more data....space will never ever ever be an issue with Movies on discs for both. Blu ray will eventually throw in the towel as far as movies go. Just like the psp movies.

a format can win just by its name

then PS3 would definitly win next-gen race, because of its name!

this argument is idiotic!

you just need good advertisement to create a lot of awareness, and when blue-ray actually have more storage, more movie industry support it could win the nex-gen format race

You can't compare sony as a brand to DVD. Dvd is accepted worldwide by every hardware maker. People can have dvd movies without ever buy a sony product. The name dvd is huge. Ad the HD to it and its name recognition. Sony at most supposively sold 100 plus million consoles. There are 300 million peeople in the US alone and billions of people world wide. DVD is known by anyone with a televion. You can't compare 100 million consumers to billions of people. Sony will never sell 100 million ps3's unless they can get the ps3 down to 199 and under. So blu ray will never have the same name recognition as "DVD". Everyone will see how this plays out. I just hope people don't take it personal when the world as a whole don't accept blu ray as a movie format. Much too expensive to ever catch on in mass numbers like HD dvd is set to do.
Who can argue that the first to hit the 199 mark will win the format war and next gen video game system war. And I'm talking about sales. because thats how you win. Who sells the most. Sony won the console war 2 years in a generations in a row. Largely due to developer support and price. This time Sony's next gen system lacks both key ingrediants. The most I see ps3 selling is 25 million units in 5 years. By that time the price will be 250 or 300 for the core system and 300 to 400 for the premium. We'll see. But sony fanboys need to stop getting so personally effected. Its just video games people. Sony made their bed. Now let them lay in it. Rock a bye baby sony. ha ha ha

On my post #6 I typed the first line wrong. This is what I mean to say.

"What format wins in the next generation has absolutely nothing to do with the install base of next gen movie players."

I agree in your assesment that the format war will be won by how many movies are sold not by how many players. The PS3 influence on the movie format war is overated. First, just because you own a PS3, it doesn't mean you will buy bluray movies, especially if you don't own an HDTV. Most gamers don't buy games systems for movies. Absolutely zero movie buffs buy built-in movie players.

Secondly, the PS3 isn't going to sell like the PS2. It's way more expensive, has less developer support, and has extremely stiff competition. This doesn't mean it isn't going to sell, just not like the PS2. Therefore there will be less PS3s and since only a very, very small percentege of PS3 owners will actually buy bluray movies, the PS3 influence on the format war will be actually quite small.

Price and quality will win the war, since those two things will make consumers buy the actual movies. Personally, I don't think most consumers are going to switch to either format for years. The jump from DVD to the new formats is not as large as the jump from VHS to DVD. Most importantly, however, is that DVD and VHS work on the same TV. People will have to buy new TVs before they adopt either of the new formats. Once HDTVs become commonplace, then people will start to adopt the new movie formats. Until then, all this is a waste of time, including the inclusion of bluray in the PS3.

Now that Jim Ryan is gone just need to remove Herman Hulst from his position! And maybe give Shuhei the position he deserved.

This gen hasn't been the best for games, last gen consoles are still out there and now there's been talk of the PS6 and Xbox Two for a year or so. Many games this gen will be ported to next gen and the cycle will continue. The re-release of the Neo Geo AES+, games on cartridge for £70 ($95), gaming is going back in time. Gaming has gone pricing mad with the high cost of games, consoles and controllers. The men and women at the top are clueless.

It’s always interesting to hear behind-the-scenes stories like this, especially involving veterans like Shuhei Yoshida and leadership figures like Jim Ryan. That said, there are usually multiple sides to decisions at that level. It could be less about not “listening” and more about differences in long-term vision for PlayStation. Yoshida played a huge role in shaping the brand, so whatever the reason, his impact is undeniable.

If true, and I'm inclined to believe it is, it goes to show that Sony lost their way when they became more western/didn't respect the PlayStation origin story. Andrew House and Jack Tretton did great work, but they also didn't try to fundamentally change the PlayStation DNA. Ryan oversaw the death of Japan Studio and a live service direction.

I already figured this, good lord imagine if Shuhei took over instead, would've been a platinum era 😩

I miss the first three generations of PlayStation. The way they turned PS3 around, we knew they meant business. We were all worried for a bit there around launch. Eventually from 2008 they started shifting slowly. But since Yoshida was fired, it's never been the same. Still enjoy my PS5 daily. I got a backlog dating back to PS2 lol So I'm fine but new games aren't as appealing anymore.

It seems like we were thrown on to the worst timeline possible where everything is too expensive and the wrong people were put in positions that makes the world a shitty place. We could have had Shu as the head of PS but we got the shitty alternative. Same goes for everyone in power around the world. Doesn’t matter the company or country the majority of us got the shitty picks and the world is declining like never before. I do think PS can come out of this because of their studios, talent and IP but they need someone more in touch with gamers leading things like Shu was. They’re still the best place for console gaming imo but it could be much better than it is especially without the massive live service failures. The rest of the world I have a lot less hope for right now. Hopefully the pendulum swings back towards the good ole days but I’m preparing for the worst.

There goes illuminati distraction story

So now there's certifiable proof that Ryan was in fact "fired", as opposed to when it was first announced that he "retired", in order to save face.

There's another guy who recently "retired" as CEO of another large gaming company, after doing a dismantling job as lead for well over a decade.

seems legit, the business man, fires the one who has ideas to move the business forward.

Jim Ryan is the reason why we are entering year 6 since the PS5 launch and many of us don't feel like the PS5 has gotten started as yet.

I hope going forward, we will see a return to form.