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ICO Novelization Should Never Be Read

ICO: Castle in the Mist is a prime example of a game being dragged, kicking and screaming, into a medium it doesn't belong.

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thorstein5144d ago

Ignore this article.

Ico is a great read. Bagofgames.com however is not.

Ico is a narrative and therefore it may add to the story of the game. It does so without ruining the story.

Mr_Prest5144d ago

Don't address the headline- address what I actually wrote in the article. Nothing you just wrote indicates you read it.

GamingBuddha095144d ago (Edited 5144d ago )

i dont get it....if the book wasnt bad, why say it was bad? isnt that the point of adapting video games into other media like comics and books? so that way we can get more back story or get a different perspective on events?

Mr_Prest5144d ago

What Miyuki Miyabe set out to do (expand on the universe), she did fairly well. My point is, she shouldn't have set out to do it at all.

ICO's a really tightly bound game. It's relatively short, it's very minimalistic, and while a larger universe and mythology is suggested, it's never explained. For me, that mystery is what MAKES the game.
The book unravels everything, lays it bare to see- and it's dull. I couldn't help but find it dull. It's like learning how a magic trick is done- momentarily interesting, but it spoils a mystery that otherwise would have stayed with you.

antihiroprotagonist5144d ago

no, I actually totally understand the idea you're putting forth here in the article. Other users are too asinine to give it a chance, but your sensationalistic headline was an opening for some fierce debate an ad hominem attacks

Mr_Prest5144d ago

I have brought it on myself haven't I! Thanks for the feedback, it's the closest to positive I've gotten on here :)

I openly admit the headline is there to bring in more readers, but I don't think its sensationalism reflects the tone of the article. Still, got no-one to blame but myself for any backlash.

thorstein5144d ago

How is it not sensational? I imagine you know what sensational means. It is yellow journalism. And as for reading your review. Are you claiming that your review entitled, "Should Never Be Read" actually doesn't claim that ICO should never be read? What are you on about?

The modern term for yellow journalism is trolling. And this is certainly trolling for hits. Whether you like that assessment or not, you wrote the headline for just this reason.

thorstein5144d ago

His article claims people are stupid for buying the book. If that isn't ad hominem, I don't know what is. And the hackneyed way the article moves from one topic to another without really delving into what could have been a good argument for why games shouldn't be novelized is ridiculous.

With phrases like: "I'm [effing] stunned this exists." "...they allowed this." just shows how little the article creator knows about the craft of writing or Ueda's vision.

What is apparent is that this is yet another lame attempt at critique. But, as the saying goes, "Those who can, do. Those who can not, criticize." And when the critic is critiqued, oh do we see the spittle fly from their proverbial pie holes.

GarandShooter5144d ago

Are you actually saying that understanding his premise precludes one from disagreeing with it?

Asinine indeed.

HarvesterOSarow5144d ago

Hey I actually saw this book in the store after beating the ICO/Shadow collection. I waited for the HD pack since it was rumored and loved both of the games when they originally came out too. Over the last couple years my fiance' heard me talking these games up so much, and whenever she would see clips of them she would be mesmerized. After she watched me beat the HD collection, we went out for a night on the town and I saw the book.

At first I was really excited! I loved the minimalistic approach to both games and thought "there is so much to explore this has to be a good read" after keeping my eye on it for an hour as I walked through the store I finally decided. I didn't need to read any back story, character development, or details that weren't in the original game because it was a masterpiece in itself and I had already built my own connections. The story I had crafted in my head was exactly how Ueda had intended it to be. He is quoted saying that he wants to give you tools to let you decide the story for yourself. And that's exactly what I had done with both games, and the connections I formed in the Team Ico trilogy (Last Guardian will be tied in somehow).

So after looking at the book in my hand, I put it down and I told my fiance' that I didn't want any taint on my own interpretation of ICO, whether it was from the fans, an author, or Ueda himself.(which btw I have a signed autograph on the collection box art!)

Overall I completely agree with what the article is trying to say. I did find a few wish washy areas though where you say early on the writing is amazing throughout with beautiful descriptions and then towards the end you are cursing it for being so drawn out and boring. I kinda understand that...I guess. But yeah, good job!

thorstein5144d ago

You should read ICO as a standalone book then. It really is beautifully wrought story and it doesn't go so far off what Ueda created. It adds to it.

MkaY5143d ago

I think the question is the same when movies change your view of a book. If you're ready to accept that it may change your view, then you should read it.

I read lot of books. I.e. Dragon Age - The Stolen throne was mediocre book, but it was still entertaining to get little more out of the DA universe.

It is very hard to try compare different formats, but I clearly see the writer's point of view in this aspect. People don't have to agree with it, but it is still interesting angle to the subject. :)

piroh458d ago

There's too many games to choose from

No Metal geat solid 1,2,3,4?
No Resident evil?
No Silent hill?
No Midnight club 3?
No NfS Underground 2?
No Final Fantasy?
No Burnout 3?
No Dragon quest 8?
No Days gone?
No Ace combat?
No Tekken/Soul calibur?......
just from the top of my head

PS1 era was full of great RPGs, PS2 was racing generation i would pick top 200 and even that would be just a fraction.

FinalFantasyFanatic458d ago

30 is way too low over the entire history of Playstation, I just wouldn't be able to narrow it down that much, I would pick 100 at least.

Storm23458d ago

Yeah...really odd list. I get that it is personal preference and I love most of the games listed, but my list would definitely be different. I agree though, it would be incredibly difficult to come up with just 30.

lockedongamer1458d ago (Edited 458d ago )

I only picked first-party titles. Otherwise, I agree!

EDIT: Except for Days Gone, I don't get the love for it but you do you!

Chocoburger448d ago

I didn't like Days Gone either, it doesn't deserve to be on any best of list.

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15 Amazing PS2 Games That No One Remembers

They may not be as remembered by the vast majority as other classics, but these PlayStation 2 titles are still significant.

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Christopher967d ago

A good number of these games are pretty well-known in the gaming community. I don't know who this 'no one' is, but they might not have been a gamer during the time of the PS2. ICO? The Warriors? BULLY?!? C'mon now.

FullmetalRoyale965d ago

Certainly not as interesting as a spoon controversy, right?

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Terry_B967d ago

Not one of these is pretty "forgotten". But what you can forget are bad lists that need 15 clicks.

Terry_B966d ago

edit..why the fuck was this shit approved by 2 guys after all?

luckytrouble966d ago

Because the approval system is fundamentally flawed. The amount shouldn't decrease for approval over time, nobody should be able to have more than one vote, and pending content should be more visible so those measures don't feel necessary to push through less immediately popular pieces.

The number of ways this system can be intentionally or accidentally abused so crap like this can get through has been ridiculous for ages now.

Petebloodyonion967d ago

The title is misleading, it should be 15 best ps2 that you always ignored (hence the title of the video).
These games are not unknow but often left out when talking PS2 great game.
The warrior is a great game but let's be frank just mention it in a discussion amongs friends and half the crowd will go " OMG I forgot about that! "

Christopher965d ago

I think that's just a factor of time. Most movies from the 80s/90s that are great are like that with me as well. They're still great, just been so much between now and then that you can't keep it all at the forefront of your mind.

banger88967d ago

15 games on 15 pages? F*** that. I'll save you a click:

The Thing
Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution
Deus Ex: The Conspiracy
Fatal Frame 2: Crimson Butterfly
Twisted Metal Black
ICO
Psi-Ops: The Mindgate Conspiracy
Transformers
Silent Hill 4: The Room
Red Dead Revolver
War of the Monsters
XIII
Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction
The Warriors
Bully

remixx116966d ago

Good man, keep up the work homie

Leeroyw966d ago

Agreed. Some heroes put on their pants one leg at a time like the rest of us. Thank you.

MrNinosan965d ago

I remember and know all the game exceot War of the Monsters...
But maybe my name is "no one"

Phoenix76965d ago

Last time I checked (a year ago) War of the Monsters was available to buy as a ps2 classic on the ps store. Know I've still got my disc copy and fairly sure it's in my digital library

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Abnor_Mal966d ago

This video game journalist must not know any gamers, not be on any gaming sites, and is probably young only know of these games because of an older sibling.

None of those games are forgotten and most are spoken of fondly fairly often.

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[ICO 20th Anniversary] Congratulatory comments sent by creators all over the world

On the 20th anniversary of its release, Famitsu would like to introduce all the comments from top creators around the world to "ICO" that were delivered across the boundaries of the industry.

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