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Sony Can't Debut PS4 in 2012

GR: Sony is in a tough position. Wait to launch the PS4 and risk giving the competition a head start. Or, start prepping for the PS4 and dilute available support for the PS3 and Vita.

What's the best move for the PlayStation brand? And what's right for consumers?

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doctorstrange5245d ago

It's just hitting its stride, and already people want to bring it round the back the shed and pump it full of lead.

Maddens Raiders5245d ago (Edited 5245d ago )

"....That's a lot of what-ifs, I know. No matter which way you look at it, Sony is in a tough position. Wait to launch the PS4 and risk giving the competition a head start. Or, start prepping for the PS4 and dilute available support for the PS3 and Vita."

They're in a "tough position"? Really? Haven't we all seen what ailments lie in wait for those eager to RUSH things out for the sake of the almighty DOLLAR.

So what if they launch a little later? They launched a little later on 11/17/2006 and avoided things like RROD, HD-DVD add ons, wi-fi adapters, etc... Conversely their machine [The PS3] cost more (b/c of all the new tech & laser diode shortages) and devs found it harder to work w/ in the beginning but I don't think these are going to be the same issues for SNE as they were in 2006.

I believe they [SNE] have learned from their mistakes and will no doubt create a very powerful machine (maybe a bit higher in cost vs MS's machine)that will also be easier to work with dev-wise as opposed to the pioneering PS3. My two cents.

RememberThe3575245d ago

Sony has publicly said that they don't want to let MS get a head start on them again. With the launch of Vita they have put themselves in a tight spot. That's probably on purpose and I have no doubt that they have a plan on supporting the Vita and PS4 equality but it is going to be a tricky balancing act.

IRetrouk5245d ago

they have plenty of devs, enough to support the vita, ps3, ps4 and even psp if they keep it alive, i could see them maybe saying something at e3.

sikbeta5244d ago (Edited 5244d ago )

They should be Really Stupid if they let the competition have the market locked for a long period of time, if they don't launch on late 2012, it shold be early 2013

andibandit5244d ago (Edited 5244d ago )

@Maddens Raiders

let me correct that for you

"So what if they launch a little later? They launched a little later on 11/17/2006 (my insert starts here)and found themselves going from NUMBER 1(PS2 DOMINATION) TO LAST, for the next 5 years."

IRetrouk5244d ago

@andibandit

you need to look at release dates and ww numbers, last? no, more like joint second at worst.

SwampCroc5244d ago

We're all in a "tough position" if the Mayans are correct.

himdeel5244d ago

Well if the PS4 is backwards compatible I personally wont have a problem if it's announced this year. Get a PS4 play both PS3 & PS4 games.

Brosy5244d ago

I just wonder if they will try all the smoke and mirrors about it's capabilities like they did with the PS3. Fake shots and ludicrous statements was the old sony way with Kutaragi. I hope for their sake they take a more humble approach and be truthful, instead of hyping beyond its capabilities.

gamingdroid5244d ago

@Maddens Raiders

***They're in a "tough position"? Really? Haven't we all seen what ailments lie in wait for those eager to RUSH things out for the sake of the almighty DOLLAR.***

They are in a though position in pushing PS Vita so it is next to impossible for them to push PS4 any time soon. Resources such finances and staff is all diverted to existing projects. If the PS Vita does not succeed, they have even less resources to work with.

It used to be that the handheld was a stop gap to keep consumers happy and funnel their money into the company. MS feared this quite a bit during the developmen to of the Xbox 360.

However, the timing is instead a drain.

***I believe they [SNE] have learned from their mistakes and will no doubt create a very powerful machine (maybe a bit higher in cost vs MS's machine)that will also be easier to work with dev-wise***

I wonder if they will stick with Cell as everyone else seemed to have dropped it. Making a high cost machine isn't really an option for Sony, as the current PS3 at $250 is barely making them a profit. That's 5-years later.

I expect Sony to drastically reduce cost and therefore technology. Well at least I hope so for the company's sake

It seems Sony's latest push with PS Vita which looks like a very nice device, but also a very costly to manufacture. I'm not sure if they will be able to compete with 3DS due to pricing. If anything, it seems the handheld war is mirroring Xbox 360 vs. PS3 again so has Sony really learned anything?

***as opposed to the pioneering PS3. My two cents.***

I wouldn't call it pioneering, more of pushing the developers. That is how console development always has been until MS came along.

That said, I'm very curious to see what Sony will do next generation. They always make these very sexy looking devices. My TV for instance still look awesome stylistically.

Trenta275244d ago

We'll just have to see how it goes. =/

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forevercloud30005245d ago

Weren't the PS3 and Xbox360 first revealed to be in the works 2.5 years before release? I remember when they started their "spec" war around that time, creating an arms race between which would be stronger.

Meaning PS4(or the "Playstation Forever", you heard it here first folks) could be let out of the bag right along side 720. My bet is Sony is going to let Microsoft reveal first, because they do not want to show their cards unless they have to. Yet we could very well go this entire year without a reveal from either side. I think both Sony and Microsoft are no longer looking at Nintendo as direct competition rather they want to encompass the niche Ninty has also when they do come out.

Its no different then how Cellphones encroaching on Handheld market or Consoles encompassing DVD/BluRay player market. The lines just overlap. Yet they will not feel rushed to market simply because Ninty is coming in first. Ninty's head start can either be really beneficial or a complete catastrophe.

Scribe815245d ago

Playstation Forever is an awesome name. Bubbles for you.

hellvaguy5245d ago

"My bet is Sony is going to let Microsoft reveal first, because they do not want to show their cards unless they have to"

Wait, why would MS want to show thier cards first? So Im not following that logic.

forevercloud30005244d ago

@hellvaguy
for the simple reason they want to get the head start on Sony for nxt gen. The same reason they revealed first last time.

Mainly Sony wants to hold their cards last(not release last tho) is because they need to not steer media attention from what they are doing with PS3 and soon PSVita.

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showtimefolks5244d ago

this is what i would do and think:

If sony has learned anything from this gen its that ps4 needs to be more devs friendly,price friendly and launch with games and a lot of games. Sony has shown us with VITA they learned from their mistakes with ps3.

to launch in 2012 is so out of the question let's not even discuss it, may i remind you again that ps3 is 250 and xbox360 with actual hard drive where you can save more than 4gb of stuff is still 300 bucks.

Nintendo isn't sure if they will launch wii-u in 2012 but in my opinion they will.

MS could careless about the tech or anything i said above they just want to be the 1st one out in the market so they are dangerous and will most likely launch xbox720 in 2012, but will keep the games on both systems being xbox360,xbox720. just like nintendo has made so many copies of zelda for every console from original game that launched long time ago

now to the most important point:

Sony needs to realize that they don't have to launch now or even with MS just wait it out and see what both nintendo and ms bring to the table than improve upon their mistakes and release a bit of a bugs free ps4. The earliest we will see a new system from sony as in ps4 will be fall 2013 and what sony would actually like to do is launch in 2014. People also need to realize that sony just started making profit on ps3 not that long ago and they are selling the system well also they invested quite heavily in VITA so unlike MS who only have one console sony and nintendo have to worry a bit more about spreading out their launch expenses

wii-u....2012 won't move the tech forward that much
xbox720....MS will launch in 2012 if wii-u launches but they should wait till 2013

sony....they should at the very least wait till 2013 but if MS launches in 2013 than wait till 2014

zero_cool5244d ago (Edited 5244d ago )

Well in some respects sony has learned from their mistakes not all.Like for example limiting their 3gs vita's carrier support to at&t only & offering limited & expensive data plans could come back to bite them on the butt!

Cheers Gamers & Happy Gaming!

DeadlyFire5244d ago

E3 2012 announcement. Even if coming in 2015 if Nintendo is starting next gen. Microsoft AND Sony will both be ready to make it known they are also working on a new console.

I expect nothing less from Wii U than what is possible on today's PC tech. Still an impressive upgrade.

E2M5244d ago

your right it is getting that momentum but its just too late, they arent the industry leaders anymore. They have to make sure there launch is around the period microsoft decides to put out a console. Centrally they must make it affordable, they don't control the gaming market anymore so they have to sacrifice. AAA titles will also be needed for launch.

They cant repeat their mistakes

fallingdove5244d ago (Edited 5244d ago )

It would actually be great for everyone.

- Sony is still going to have great first party support for the next 2 years while they transition their teams to the PS4.

- From Sony and Microsofts perspectives - An anouncement of the PS4/Xbox720 this year would make the Wii U DOA as it would again be an unperpowered console with gimicky controls.

- Personally, I am ready for the next generation. I have played more in this generation than I have in any previously. PS360 gamers have been bombarded with quality content for the past 5 years. Probably the equivalent of the entire previous generation.

Next gen? Bring it on.

Boon Tarkas5244d ago

The PS3 t may have hit its stride but it also hit too many hurdles early in a race that is now over. Quite the show animal the PS3 but its been limping along for quite some time now.

Biggest5244d ago

Limping faster than everyone else is running. Pretty impressive, huh?

hihosilver5244d ago

I don't want a ps4, I could care less about the Xbox. But people are ignorant, Sony had 10 years with the ps2 why would Sony release the ps4 in less then 6 years??? Their are plenty of great games that people haven't played yet( last guardian) so why rush the next gen, not only that but Sony wants the ps3 to have 10 years just like the ps2.. everyone relax enjoy it, all people care about is the next Gen for graphics not gameplay.

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Lifewish5245d ago

I think they could show it off in 2012, with a late 2013, early 2014 release maybe?

Kurisu5245d ago (Edited 5245d ago )

I think they should show the PS4 at E3 2013 at the earliest. Focus on PS3 and Vita for now. PS3 still has a lot to give, especially with games the mythical Versus XIII and Naughty Dogs The Last of Us still to release, and the Vita hasn't even released world wide yet.

OcularVision5245d ago

After seeing BF3 on my console compared to my cousin's high-end PC, I'm begging Sony for a new console that won't be bottlenecked by the low amount of RAM.

mcstorm5244d ago

I think Sony will bring out the PS4 12 months after MS and there next Xbox as I see MS going into 2013 all metro with a new Windows phone 8, Windows 8 (PC laptop, Ultra book and tablets) and the Xbox 3 with a new improved version of Kinect.

Out off all 3 I think MS will be in the best place because of how the company is starting to work and bring everything into one UI and have all the devices connected to each other by one way or another.

Sony and Nintendo are still fragmented with the way there devices connect but I cant wait to see the Wiiu in action and what both Sony and MS have to offer us for the next gen consoles and services.

I think this gen has been one of the best as all 3 had a different approach to the market and they have worked for therm all but they have all been trying to out do each other over the past 5-6 years and I see all 3 pushing each other even more next gen which for us gamers will be a big + as we will have some amazing games on all 3 consoles and also different experiences on each machine too.

sikbeta5244d ago

2014 is too damn late, Wii-u is coming This Year, why they'd let the competition have so much time alone in the market? doesn't make any sense...

DrFUD5244d ago

WiiU is getting my dollars.
The power difference between WiiU and the next Playstations and XBOXes isn't going to be noteworthy regardless of what fanboys think, and therefore I'll go WiiU and PS4 later since WiiU is going to have major 3rd party support and between Nintendo and Sony I'll have enough first party exclusives to game on.
I don't see Microsoft as a viable option since games are going to be developed on WiiU first and then ported over to the other consoles when they release and at that point PS4 will at least have its first and second party

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D3stinySm4sher5245d ago (Edited 5245d ago )

Good God, I'm sick of this "next-gen" talk. We don't NEED a new run of hardware yet. The portables? It makes sense, it's been a while, they ARE outdated a bit.

Wii U? It makes sense, Wii was a little behind the times out of the gate, they're just doing what Microsoft and Sony did last year - catching up with the competition's tech.

But I really don't think the economy or the industry would be able to handle a new run of consoles yet. It's a good idea to plan it, obviously, but no use announcing it until it's in a good state where they're ready to launch it soon, and now would be too soon IMO.

AgentWD405245d ago

I have to disagree, every time I go to my friends house and have a go on his PC the more I realise how dated these current gen consoles are. I think an early 2013 release date is perfect, even christmas 2012.

stevenhiggster5245d ago

Since I upgraded my PC for BF3 (which I don't even play!) I've hardly touched my PS3.
Even a few months back I would've said keep the PS3 going longer, but now you realise it's time for a new console generation.

BattleTorn5245d ago

I'm a console gamer, and I'd be more than willing to pay upwards of $700 to have a native 1080p, next-gen console.

vortis5245d ago

I like console gaming but I'm sorry I just can't keep playing "new" games on the old consoles while I have an up-to-date PC. I can literally see the six year difference between 360 titles and PC titles.

It's not even like it's just a "graphics" thing it's a gameplay thing. I want games with more destructibility and physics options not less. When I played Vindictus it was a real eye-opener of just how outdated console games have become...when you see a F2P title with those kind of visuals and physics and visible character damage it lets you know that the consoles need a upgrade...badly.

Christopher5245d ago (Edited 5245d ago )

The writing on this is all over the place. You talk more about releasing ahead or behind the competition more than you do the topic brought up in the title.

You say 'can't' in the title, but you mention absolutely no reasons why they can't.

You go on to talk about how this gen of consoles they've faltered and, if I follow correctly, it's vitally important they release in step with their competition going forward. Well, if a new 360 is announced this year, doesn't that mean they need to announce this year as well? And I didn't see anything to negate the chance of this happening.

And all of this from a one-line statement saying that they are not contemplating talking about any possible future console. Which, last time I check, was the same as saying, no comment. This doesn't prove or disprove the ability to debut any such item this year either since it's the same thin they did prior to all their other console releases.

So, honestly, you lost me on the whole article.

dbjj120885245d ago

I'd like for them to wait to reveal.... but I know I'll be disappointed.

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(For Southeast Asia) New Price Changes for PS5, PS5 Pro, and PlayStation Portal remote player

For Southeast Asia, new price changes.

Prices effective starting May 1st, 2026.

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BeHunted23d ago

Looks like PlayStation took a hit with Marathon and is now quietly adjusting prices worldwide to recover the losses

andy8523d ago

Lets be honest raising prices doesn't do that when no one's buying it. I imagine the profit it greater selling 10 times more at a lower price

Pergele22d ago

Whatever you say buddy, let's all wear the tinfoil hats.

IceKoldKilla22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

LMFAO Your comment alone says a lot more about you than anything else. When has one game not selling 10 million copies made a company raise the prices of their console? Then Xbox would be costing $5000 by now lol. You remind of the crazy drug addicts on the street rambling on about conspiracies. xD You sure you don't need a hug, buddy?

ChunkyMonk22d ago

One game that Sony payed $200 million for. lol
Also, you sure were quick to get triggered. Maybe your the one who needs a hug?

Eonjay22d ago

If nothing else, we should be united against the real issue here. AI and unnecessary tariffs that are effecting all gamers.

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Athlon10123d ago (Edited 23d ago )

The price increases are due to the RAM demand associated with AI and the US-Iran war. You can look to any business news website and local news to see that. Heck, even the 2026 Asus Zenbook Duo I've been eyeing has faced delays and has had a price increase of $400; that laptop has two specs. Asus is doing a staggered release with per-orders for the lower spec now and shipping in May and pre-orders for the higher spec that I'm eyeing starting in June. Basically, all computer manufactures are affected. It'll most likely start affecting smart phones too if it hasn't already. I can't remember the last time any major console maker (Nintendo, Sony, Sega, etc) increased the price of their console mid cycle outside of Microsoft just to make more profit.

S2Killinit22d ago

Its not the war. Its the RAM issue.

jznrpg22d ago

War is causing gas prices to rise. Transport of everything requires gas so the prices of those items go up as well. So it does have an impact

Athlon10122d ago (Edited 22d ago )

The blockage of the Straight of Hormuz due to the US-Iran war has affected raw components used in semi-conductor manufacturing such as bromine, aluminum, and helium. Iran had attacked the liquified natural gas (LNG) plant in Qatar which is a large producer (1/3 globally) of helium which is used in semiconductor etching. So it's the both the war and the RAM crises.

badz14923d ago

Oh no...should I get the Pro now before the price increase?

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Former Xbox Exec Says Developers Didn't Want a Sony Monopoly

Former Xbox executive Ed Fries comments on the early days of Xbox, the opinion of Japanese game companies, and more.

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Reaper22_36d ago

I dont think that'll ever happen. But i must say back in the day, they were definitely trying because they were more cash rich than their competitors.

CosmicTurtle36d ago

I think MS were and still are the richer company. They tried to acquire Sega back in the day (and considered doing so again more recently), they obviously bought exclusivity to Halo which was originally shown as a Mac title. I don’t think as a company MS can claim the moral high ground here. It’s a wilful lack of self awareness.

Of course Sony would try exactly the same if they had the resources, but when the PS2 dominated the industry was in a much healthier place with an abundance of great third parties.

This has been a depressing generation as far as first party decisions are concerned. The fact we are debating business plans rather than which game is better is a sad reflection of the state of things.

Darkseeker36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

There was Nintendo as well, Sony wouldn't have had a monopoly. In fact, the world would be better today if Xbox never existed in the first place. They pretty much brought all bad practices we have today. We might have gotten all of it either way, but not this early. In term of franchises, I don't think there is anything Microsoft released that would actually be missed if it didn't exist. Even Halo the world wouldn't notice if Halo didn't exist.

S2Killinit36d ago

MS was definitely a bad influence on gaming.

raWfodog36d ago

I think almost everyone will agree that a monopoly is not good for the industry. But that being said, the competition needs to be smart and strategic with their business. Simply buying up publishers and traditional third-party studios just to keep them out of the other companies reach is not a sustainable practice. That goes for all parties so don't think I'm just referring to Xbox.

I'm no business guru by any stretch of the imagination but I firmly believe that the best way to drive consumers to your software and hardware is to invest smart in your first-party studios. Give them full support and guidance in making unique, fun games that are only available to play in your ecosystem and the gamers will come.

Reaper22_36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

But first party studios aren't enough. They only make up a small portion of the industry. Without 3rd party there would be no industry for Microsoft or sony.Developing games take time and money and sometimes you gotta make moves to stay competitive.

raWfodog36d ago

Nah, I never said first-party was enough. I said it’s the ‘best way’ to drive gamers to your platform. 3rd-party is a free-for-all and there’s no guarantee that gamers will use your hardware to play the game. If you want to push your own software and/or hardware you need first-party, or at least exclusive deals with third-party studios.

SimpleDad36d ago

They Shure did a great job... 25 years later Xbox is dead.

Reaper22_36d ago

Then why be so emotional and continue to talk about it. Xbox will never die be ause it stays in so many people's head.

lodossrage36d ago

How can you even see him being "emotional" in that comment?

If anything, you're the emotional one, constantly trying to go at anyone that says anything against Microsoft. So when you call him emotional, it comes off as deflection

Elda36d ago

I own an XBSX & I can say it's becoming irrelevant out of the 3 current consoles.

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Sony Shows Off 20 Minutes of Crimson Desert on a Base PS5

Sony uploaded gameplay footage of Crimson Desert on a base PS5 running in what appears to be Quality Mode at a stable 30fps at 4K.

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BlazedKong62d ago

looks god awful on the base systems