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PS3, Xbox 360 Successors Will Be 'Primarily Disc-Based'

PlayStation 4 and Xbox 720 rumors have been running wild, and it's possible that both will be unveiled at this year's E3 in June. in fact, one developer is expecting new console launches this year. This is good news for leading games retailer GameStop, according to Sterne Agee analyst Arvind Bhatia, because the new systems are "likely to be primarily disc-based."

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donniebaseball5246d ago

I agree. People still won't be ready to go all digital. Give it another 10 years, then it might happen.

Double_O_Revan5246d ago

And even then, myself, and I'm sure many others would still prefer some sort of physical copy. I don't believe in all digital. Plus downloading a game at 50GB each would play absolute hell on internet bandwidth.Not to mention cable companies would never stand for that.

Rush5246d ago

First of all he said give it 10 years meaning current broadband restrictions will of most certainly improved.

And secondly, yes am ready for millions of disagrees...

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR A GAME TO BE 50GB IN SIZE!!

There's about 3 or 4 PS3 games that use the full 50GB file size, not because they needed 50GB of storage simply because they contain next to zero compression.

Look at a massive PC game like Star Wars The Old Republic...

Yes I know it's an MMO but all the content is contained on the discs.

SWTOR features 8 completely different story campaigns each clocking in with over 80 hours of core game play each.

It has 1000s of fully voiced some times in-game scene cutscenes I mean 1000s.

It's more expansive then any console game, it has more content then any console game.

It has graphics that are undeniably better then seen on consoles,(when you force AA) Even without it, it's still a great looking game.

And the entire game size clocks in at 20GB

Am sorry but there is no real world need for 50GB games any time soon. The only reason some PS3 games are 50GB is when you have so much storage you can be extremely lax and sloppy on your compression because it doesn't matter.

mcstorm5246d ago

I have agree with you there but i also think until 90% of the world are on fiber broadband i dont think physical media will disappear for any type of media. I am getting there with my media i have zune pass netflix and all my media is now on my winfows home server but it is still along way before people can drop dvd cd or blueray. He other thing with having games downloading is the size of storage you will need because if each game is 25 to 50 gb a 1b drive will fill up very quick. If anyhing i think once broadband connections are fast enouch gaming may turn thr the cloud but 10 years is a long time amd technology will change again in this time so there my be something even better down the line.

I still think ms will give blueray a miss in there next console and put a deferent format in there like hddvd as the 360 has sold very well with out it and offers more han enough not to have it but i see sony sticking with blueray and putting in a faster drive. But i do wonder if ms and sony will start to make all game have an install as well to help with the load times. I also expect them to offere download versions of the games as well.

BitbyDeath5246d ago

@Rush, there are just too many places that cannot get broadband at all let alone need it improved so even if a game is 1mb it wouldn't matter it will still be unatainable by the masses.

This issue won't be solved in 10 years, it'll likely take at least 50 minimum.

DragonKnight5246d ago

@Rush: PC games use heavy compression and other methods to make size on disc smaller than size on harddrive. That's why the PC game can appear to be small, but once unpacked and installed is easily 20GB or over. As visuals increase in fidelity, so to do the sizes of the games. It's therefore conceivable that games will eventually get bigger than 50GB unless people want to stick with heavy compression methods.

Ares84HU5246d ago

Why won't it be digital download only??

A - Today's internet speeds aren't fast enough. In 10 years time they won't be fast enough because just as internet speeds became faster, game file sizes will grow as well. For example On PS1 a game was about 100-400MB on PS2 a game was 1GB to 5GB on PS3 a game is 5GB to 50GB on PS4 I'd expect a game to be anywhere from 20GB to 150Gb and ten years from now when the PS5 comes around I expect games to reach above the 500GB mark.

B - People will not be willing to spend so much time downloading data and everyone would need hundreds of terabytes of HDD's to store all their games. Right now I got 270 PS3 games....I'd say a good average is 5-6GB...so do the math.

C - Internet providers will never go for this. Even those providers who had unlimited data transfer so far want to limit it in the future just so they can get more money.

D - People like to own physical copies of their games. People actually like to be the owners of stuff they buy.

So, in 10 years time there will be no DD only....but in 20+ years time...maybe.

Double_O_Revan5246d ago

@Rush
Relax. Yes I know games are not 50gb now. I was talking about 10 years from now. But how big do you think they are going to be on the PS4? If we went from high compression to fit on an 8gb dvd to fitting comfortably on a 25gb or even 50gb bluray, then it stands to reason that next gen the average game size will be about 50gb.

And with things going the way they are with cable companies Trying to charge more for higher bandwidth usage and Trying to put caps in, its easy to see why 100% digital will be hard or even impossible. No, I dont believe that the cable companies will succeed in getting the Net Neutrality laws changed, but it is a possibility would have deep impact on the future that games are moving toward.

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darthv725246d ago

we are all still thinking games will be in the sizable format they are now. Raw data on a dvd or bd is in that format because of the medium its on. If we take out the physical medium and look at a digital variant it would be akin to comparing redbook audio on CD's to mp3....etc.

Movies have shown over time that improvements to the compression can mean minimal differences in quality when compared to the physical source. Its no surprise that to alleviate load there are points of redundant data on discs. Points that arent there taking up space in a digital version. Not to mention that we are all basing the quality on the current hardware involved with compressing and decompressing on the fly. That hardware has improved over the years and will continue to do so.

It would not surprise me if MS and Sony have been working on new audio/video/data techniques that would take what amounts to as a 25gb data file in one format and make it into a 2gb file in another with no quality loss. I know that seems strange. Taking a raw 10mb+ audio file and making it into a 192k mp3 was strange at one time too but that is why you need to stop thinking on current conventional means and more digital means.

We have seen companies working to decrease the size of things to the point where instant on and full streaming of high def content could eventually be possible on a watch or over 56k dial up. Technology hit the peak of making everything bigger. Now its all about making things smaller more compact and mobile.

A perfect example is to look at a game cartridge from the n64 and compare that to a game card for the vita. Physical size has been greatly reduced and can be reduced even more with better technology. They are two different formats but the idea is the same. Only so much can be achieved in one format that its time to create a new format that can do more in less space.

zeddy5246d ago

you cant queue up outside a shop at 12am with your friends for a digital download. tradition.

yesmynameissumo5246d ago

Downloading is just a bonus if you have Internet. Consoles will be reliant on physical media for quite some time imo.

Dante1125246d ago

I wonder if they'll both use blu ray.

Megaman_nerd5246d ago (Edited 5246d ago )

I bet MS is gonna do the same as Nintendo and create their own proprietary high capacity disc for the sake of not giving a single penny to Sony even when going with blu-ray should be cheaper.

Series_IIa5246d ago

@Megaman_nerd

Why would they need to pay Sony? They don't own Blu-Ray...

WiIIiam5246d ago

I'd also be inclined to think MS would create their own disc format just to spite Sony, but that would prevent their console from playing Blu-Ray movies, which are actually a major selling point for the PS3. Most consumers want an all-in-one entertainment device, and a proprietary disc format just doesn't lend itself very well to that ideal.

Thecraft19895246d ago

Blu ray is owned by numerous of companies, Sony and Panasonic the main creators, but guess what Sony and Philips designed DVD too, does not stop them using it in the xbox.

Megaman_nerd5246d ago

Well they did put quite the fight with the HD-DVD. MS payed studios for HD-DVD exclusivity and they lent a hell of a lot of money to Toshiba and even made an HD-DVD add-on for the Xbox instead of simply going with blu-ray, the obvious winner. I mean, the blu-ray had the most support from manufacturer brands to movie studios. It was: The World vs Toshiba and MS. <_<

Why were MS and Toshiba pushing the HD-DVD so hard when it was so inferior to blu-ray? We'll never know. And not only inferior but they were fighting that battle basically alone.

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GanjaMan5246d ago

So do I, since us british have shit internet speeds, games would takes days to download ;)

GanjaMan5246d ago (Edited 5246d ago )

No shit sherlock

@ above hahaa same time, guess great minds think alike

GribbleGrunger5246d ago

it's not exactly going out on a limb lol

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Gamer Tries to Sell PS4 Pro to GameStop, Ends Up Being Asked to Pay the Store

A gamer tried to sell his PS4 Pro to GameStop USA and found out that he would actually have to pay the store.

Lionsguard436d ago

Gamestop: And I'm taking a huge risk here.

1Victor435d ago (Edited 435d ago )

Well there’s no stop like GameStop I’m surprised they didn’t go deeper into the hole with their USED cables and controllers prices.
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For those that don’t know if you go to trade a console you need it to be ready to go with all the controllers and cables if you don’t have them they ask you to buy them and deduct the price from the monetary appraised for the console

Gamingsince1981435d ago

That makes perfect sense really, why would you be selling your console without all the things it came with and needs to actually be used.

jznrpg436d ago (Edited 436d ago )

eBay.. not having anything for it makes it seems stolen though

Profchaos435d ago

Not always I've seen plenty of refurbished units go cheap because people have picked them up broken then repaired and onsold with no controller or cable. When they are this old many people just want to replace the main unit

jznrpg435d ago

I doubt those people are selling at GameStop

BeHunted435d ago (Edited 435d ago )

In the UK, eBay has removed selling fees, letting you list and sell any item for free.

andy85435d ago

Correct. This is why day one games cost me practically nothing now

Eonjay435d ago

They are gonna take that same console and sell it for $300.

Inverno436d ago

GameStop era ended in the teens. Let it die bruh.

S2Killinit435d ago

I love gamestop. I still shop there. I prefer buying a game from a game store than a department store.

Inverno435d ago

I preferred goin to Circuit City but that died out. Years back I'd go to Best Buy cause of Gamer Club, now Best Buy barely sells games and doesn't sell Blu-rays and looks dead most of the time. Same with GameStop, these stores look like a barren wasteland of Funko Pops and anime figures. These retail stores don't seem to care about pulling in customers. Those figurines are neat, I collect them too but they ain't pulling me into a GS. Rather than attracting gamers they've pay walled everything behind a subscription. As if they weren't already cheapskates back then with their trade ins.

FinalFantasyFanatic435d ago

I still go in there and browse, but never buy anything, the video game section is getting smaller and smaller, even the PS5/Series X/Switch game selection is getting tiny.

tiron8435d ago

I miss Best Buy's Gamer Club, I used to get pre-orders for like 20% off often with other discounts then get points I could trade into discount rebates. It was so good, getting day 1 games for like $30.

When they shut that down I stopped buying games day 1 almost completely.

raWfodog435d ago (Edited 435d ago )

I stopped going to GameStop when they no longer let me use my monthly $5 rewards points towards PS network cards.

Knightofelemia435d ago

Weird I live in Canada and the Gamestop near me says you need the console, controller, controller cord, and an HDMI cord before they will take a console on trade. And if the console shows signs of being opened they still won't take the machine. And if you upgrade the PS4 HDD from 500 gig to a 1TB they will count that machine as modified and label it as a 500 gig model. Better to just sell it on Facebook Marketplace.

clevernickname435d ago

I also live in Canada. I had a similar experience trading in an Xbox One S. Gamestop would give me a pittance for it, so I sold it on Marketplace for almost as much as the original selling price.

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GameStop plans widespread store shutdowns after closing 300 locations last year

GameStop has announced plans to shut down stores across the country after closing 300 locations just last year.

The popular gaming retailer says net sales have fallen 20 percent, now sitting at $860 million - a drastic change from its $1.08 billion in 2023.

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PRIMORDUS522d ago

Also giving you about $5.00 off for buying a used game is just bullshit. For example: https://www.gamestop.com/vi... New is $59.99, if your going to sell it for a used price it needs to be at least $10-$20 less. I hope GameStop just goes away.

OtterX522d ago

Same nonsense they were doing 20 years ago. 🙄

Time to take old yeller out behind the shed...

Grilla522d ago (Edited 522d ago )

One of the reasons I went digital. I used to trade games in back in the day when money was tighter. Trading a game in for 10-15$ isn’t worth the trouble. Especially when they turn around and sell it for almost full price.

RhinoGamer88522d ago

Not surprising, but sad. WooT is killing it with their game discounts...on new games.

raWfodog522d ago

This is just market forces adjusting for GameStop’s long-time practices of nickel and diming the consumer. I feel bad for the workers though. It’s not good that they have to lose their jobs over this.

P_Bomb522d ago

Unfortunate for the staff, but not unexpected.

46player522d ago

Not too surprising. Lots of people buying digital.

And GameStops trade in and resale pricing strategy is awful for customers. I will miss them when they are gone though.

Most I will miss being able to trade in a console, get a couple hundred towards the new model like PS5 to PS5 Pro.

SonyStyled522d ago

I’ll miss the midnight launch parties. Standing in line with strangers sharing our excitement about a video game. Digital took that from us. I wish younger audiences could experience how joyful it was

Kombatologist522d ago

I often think about times like that and how good we had it, before social media and smart phones gave way to a generation that expects instant gratification.

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GameStop Retro: Too Little, Too Late? | 1-up Geeks

GameStop is one of the last remaining relics from a bygone era where stores like Blockbuster, Game Crazy, Hollywood Video, and many others were found on every corner. If you…

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