lol and you on N4G won't help... HDDVD anf your 360 will be crushed by the PS3.

that the current Blue-ray players do not support 1.1 or 2.0, its not like the players wont play the movies...you just won't be able to access the pip features and maybe 1 or 2 other features. I like Hi def because it looks and sounds better, not because it does pip and some other crap we don't even know yet. Realistically how many movies are really going to take advantage of that option, how many movies take advantage of multiple angles on DVD, ummm almost none. But if your DVD player doesn't support that feature it obsolete? The older blue-ray will play all the same movies that the new one will, and if a movie requires a particular firmware to run, there is plenty of space on the disk for it. I am not talking about upgrading to 1.1 or 2.0 as some players will not accommodate this but most should (PS3) as 90% of blue ray out there is PS3.