All this for ONE part of ONE level of a game that'll likely have more then 12 missions and Lord knows how many sub-missions.

People are talking about it like the full game's out already or something. One level on a harsh environment at during a NIGHT invasion is supposed to look like daylight? *Sigh* I don't think logic even exists as an entity in the gmaing community anymore.

I think what really needs to be considered more is the gameplay. The decision of what lighting techniques, or any graphical technique for that matter, should be used depends on how that technique effects the play of the game.

Does the technique add depth, immersiveness visual appeal or does it just (using lighting as an example) seem too dark so that enemies can't be seen, the full scale of the level can't be appreciated etc. ?

These are creative decisions that have to be made and I think at this point (I guess we all agree that the visuals will be great) Guerilla should be focusing on gameplay and playability. Thats the area that can mainly let them down now.

it has a more menacing feel, giving you the feel of the helgahn world. An i dont know why there should be complaints about this when this is the only level we've seen. A beach stage like the one in killzone 1 would stop these posts i guess.

So this should beat the already more then a year old Gears of War on the 360? moahahahaah

By the time KZ2 releases, Gears of War 2 will be looking around the corner also. Chainsawing KZ2's ass seen all the screenshots up till now

the old one looks a hell of a lot better, down to the nitty gritty of war i like it. plus its not a night fight its just the helghast control weather so its cloudy. the trailer shows this when they leave those "mother ships" on them landing craft, quite clearly daytime. although im sure they'l have other scenarios where itl be brighter.

well so far we`v only been exposed to just a single level and i`m pretty confident there`s plenty more variety along the line

that this game is set on the home world of apocalyptic, evil, horrible, lightning-loving bastards known as Helghan, and it is DARK! EVIL! BROODING!

It's called ATMOSPHERE, people!

With a dark setting, you can use light to make for some very rich and striking detail. (Doom 3, anyone?)

The first image is AFTER post-processing.

The second image is SANS (without) -post-processing.

Please, no more xbot posts about an incomplete game being too dark on the PS3!

In fact...MANY MANY MANY graphical comparisons have shown the 360 to actually be the darker of the two when it comes to rendering output!

lol...

Why?

Why?

.......Killzone 2 is going to be the most graphically **CORRECT** game you'll have ever seen, and you find some way to WHINE about it?

Dear GOD!

The lighting engine -ALONE-

**SPANKS**

Crysis....do you people know nothing of what this game is going to do for console graphics benchmarks?

This game is going to make gears of war look like "Toy Gears Brought to you by Bob the Builder"

Ugh, I am sick and tired of nitpicking, especially from a PRE-ALPHA build of a game WITHOUT A SET RELEASE DATE.

ORIGINAL POSTER:

SHUT UP.

so much post-processing. I do CG work, and it's a common pitfall for artists in my field to try and "show everything", mainly because so much time and effort was spent building Environment A, or object B, etc. It's important to not get too attached to your work. The first screenshot looks a lot more menacing, and you have to remember the E3 gameplay where the lightning strikes in the distance would illuminate the environment, and explosions and muzzle flashes also have an illumination effect as well.

It's dark, but not permanently. Either way, Guerrilla definitely has the best lighting system in the industry, and they're pushing it to the limits. BTW, you guys are going to LOVE when the sun peeks through the clouds in this game (already saw one screenshot).

Would you guys stop complaining!

Killzone 2 looks AMAZING! The only people complaining about the darkness are xbox fanboys that can't handle the fact that nothing will ever look this good on the 360.

GET OVER IT!

geow already got spanked by uncharted graphically.where have u been?lost since uncharted i see

no... Its too dark. Or is that to hide the bad textures?

I just got Uncharted and it is without DOUBT the best looking game on the market. Gears does not come close, if you disagree, you have not played Uncharted.

Which do you guys prefer? Which screenshot?

For YEARS I have been wanting a game that will use muzzle flashes to cast shadows correctly like they should!

When I'm standing close to a guy, and I fire my gun at him, I expect the muzzle flash to cast a big ass shadow behind him!

And I expect HIS gun's flash to create ANOTHER big friggin shadow behind him, just like it should!

This is going to be the first game to get my lighting FANTASIES right!

The first thing I'm gonna do with this game is rub it all over my nutsack and claim it as my very own.

Then, I'll do a naked worship dance in praise of the awesome amount of work that went into it.

Then I'll play the crap out of it, and hope I don't nut in my pants out of sheer excitement while doing so.

This sarcasm (or is it?) brought to you by Coeus frickin' Titan.

Can anyone say Gears of War. That game was dark, but still great. Even Uncharted looks dark but only when your in a dark area. You want dark areas too look dark and bright areas to look bright.

like all the ps3 exclusives .. this will be one of the best games ever.

can't wait.

i need new stuff - not some old BS like Gaylo 3.

Meus Renaissance, in all his intelligence and glory, thinks that something was ADDED to the second image.

When in fact...the lighting engine was stripped away.

HEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! !!!!!!!!!!!

Duh!

"However, here is a screenshot which compares the exact same scene - in typical Killzone 2 fashion, in darkness, with what seems like the implementation of a technique to add considerable lighting to the scene."

You contradict yourself in your own post.

Nice going. Here's a link to an official developers video walkthrough to "enlighten" you.

http://onaxis.blogspot.com/...

*slaps meus' forehead for him again*

I think the game looks great.. And that's from a xbox 360 owner..

it would be cool if you could change the settings in the game and make everyone happy. Like someone said earlier some HDTV's have poor handling of contrast and blacks(LCD especially)which may make the first screen unplayable. it would be good if you could adjust the lighting in game rather than on your tv for this. I hope this game is good, I am looking forward to it.

of course the first one, with filters on, lol, without doubt. anyone who have an idea of this topic knows that. xbots stop falming and go play halo color 3. by the way noone complained about gears of war being so dark. morons.

This is obviously a decision given in the direction of the artist involved with the games development.
Im worried about this being the whole look of the game.If so Id pass on it.
If they have varied environments with different lighting and environments (lush green or nature)then I would consider this game a visual masterpiece.
THe lighting would have to change from bright to dark at times to appreciate the graphics, so hopefully they varied the lighting cause it would be a waste if everything was dark all the time...THis isn't doom is it?

I wonder just how much the framerate would drop if they added color, 5fps? LOL the box art will have more color than the game. I think "Pong" had more color.

the 2nd one doesnt capture the sense of war..the first one gives it that feeling that war is grim and ur fghting in a dead city...this game is gonna be soo wicked..

for all the xbots on here - shut up with ur stupid comments...it was ALL of u last year that said " PS3 will never come close to the CGI - its not possible" and u guys got kicked in the cunt...now u guys are saying "oh oh wait until gears 2" or " please this doesnt even compare to gears one"

1st off - its kinda sad that in its 2 years the only game u guys look back on is gears which launched a year ago - kinda shows u the power of the xbox 360 if after one full year after gears no other game has matched its graphics lol

2nd off - gears looked good..but lets take a look at why...less then 4 ppl on screen...not a whole lot happening around u...and it was GLITCHY as fuk..now watch the dev video when he explains whats in KZ2 - lighting - destructable enviroments - react hit system and soooooooo much more...so please..who are u trying 2 fool? u guys are still hanging on to gears after a year hahahaha thats just sad..

and 3rd - HS/Drakes/R&C/COD4 have already washed its a$$ with gears of war - so just face it...things wont get better for the 360 - they will just remain the same and maybe ull get abit more games that run at 720p - just maybe lol

M.E.D.I.O.C.R.E franchise. Poor PStards.

I myself like the dark feel more. But may be there could be a day and night feature added for people that like it more bright. So the longer you stay on that level the better chances to could become day or night.

It's cool to see post-processing effects used properly. The second image (presumably the "original") looks pretty uninteresting, there's no character to it at all. The first image has a darker, creepier feel to it - being able to convey tones or moods visually is a neat trick and hopefully something we'll see more of in games. Light is something so key to the way we perceive a scene that as it's used more effectively things are going to start looking very nice indeed! I love driving in the snow ('Winter Sunset') at the Nurburgring in PGR4, somehow the devs really captured the look and feel of a cold, snowy winter's day - it's awesome.

I wonder how much strain these effects put on the hardware? KZ2 has it's PP effects, Mass Effect has a grain-filter and something else (if I've been told correctly) and COD4 has it's "rag time warfare" & other modes. All this stuff has to be processed on top of the models/AI/physics; maybe it's less strenuous for the consoles to "half make" the picture and give it to another core or SPE to finish off with post-processing while the next frame is being made than for a frame to be finished completely by one core/SPE?

I like the dark gloomy look, gives the game character you can keep your shiny graphics, I want gloomy.

I thought that the second looked a lot more better and I liked it because it has a lot of contrast and you can see a lot more detail but it kind of looks boring too. I pictured the the trailer without the dark feel and didn't feel scary or thrilling at all.

this game automatically is the best looking console game ever made. hands down.

They used post-processing to make it look darker in this instance. This is in order to set the proper mood. If they so wanted, they could use the post-effects to actually make the scene BRIGHTER.

It's an artistic choice, not a technical limitation imposed by post-processing.

this game has the best lighting of any game to ever hit the market. The reason its so dark is because its under the thickest of clouds. AKA so the sun is completely blocked out, its not at night its just the way the planet is.

What you little b@astards are complaining about is that the lighting is to REAL for your taste. Get over it, this is the 3rd level of the game, so what are the first two? they have to be from a different environment given you are just landing on the helghast planet in the 3rd level. Look to be amazed when you see the first pictures of a sunny level.

My only worry about the graphics is how the stylized realism (gritty war-like atmospheres) will mix with such real lighting. What effect will it give? Will I actually get immersed into the game? all questions that need to be answered.

It's called deferred-rendering. Read about it.

exact same screenshots a while ago on the ps3 forums. I took it from a killzone 2 video explaining the lighting technique called post processing as some of you guys know.

In my whole hearted opinion, this screenshot looks better with the filters off. But in other areas of the game, I can see the filter making up some beautiful effects. I don't know, hopefully the developers will allows us gamers to toggle some of these lighting effects in game. That would be sweet.

Dev conference pdf...

http://www.develop-conferen...

I like the darker look but the game is by far more impressive lighter because you can see all of the textures, with the darkness it's a big muddy mess, oh well lol I'll play it either way.

The darker picture looks better to me

sony should get rockstars opinion on what needs to be fixed' to make it FUN' ......since rockstar's not owned by Micro$ like bungie

or maby ask infinity ward what its lacking .....to assure the best game possible

to me it looks alot better when it is darker

360 owner here and personally i think the darkness adds to the mystique of the game. The first shot looks better IMO. THe 2nd one has too much lighting and looks like a tv with its contrast at 100. And to tocuh on the people who say Uncharted looks better than Gears? I disagree. Its not so much that Uncharted graphics aren't good, its simply that when you deal with darker colors there's a certain realism that is achieved better and flaws of the game are hidden better. Gears > Uncharted, and from what I've seen KZ2 > Gears.

To turn the filter on/off. e.g. like the static in Silent Hill games.

Give both options.

Yeah they could have given you the option with the 360 version of gears, they didn't.

But on the pc version they did. And here it is.

http://members.aol.com/xgme...

it is definitely better darker. Having lighting like that will take the player away from the game.

the darker is better as it makes more sense. they are supposed to be on a dark hostle planet.

The darkness adds to the atmosphere, resulting the player too be more in the game... i dont know about you, but i like it when im drawn into the game.

The dark picture looks awesome, but my TV seems to have trouble showing dark areas. Some games have areas that are so dark I can't see anything on my TV no matter what the TV's settings are on. So I just pray that this game allows you to adjust the brightness. Every game should allow you to adjust the brightness.

hard to say... there is a big difference in seeing a screen shot on your computer and what you end up playing on your tv screen.

Not every level will be as dark as the demo. That is why they have all those adjustable light filters.

Somewhere in between.

WOW!

Darker is more moody, but gotta love the attention to detail which sadly is barely visible in dark version. They should try to find a bit more interesting approach to lighting, dark but detailed world.

Unless of course they need to get rid of the details to make the gameplay smoother, but I don't think they would use lighting excuses for lowering the need of details... or would they?

I am excited for this game and I will be getting it for the PS3, however I am still waiting to see how good the gameplay is, I don't expect it to do anything innovated and I can tell its pretty linear like most shooters but I don't cae, I love playing FPS's. ^_^

Also there is no such thing as pre pre alpha lol. It goes pre alpha, alpha, pre beta, beta, then its the final months until it goes gold and is sent off to manufactures to print the disks. I do belive that GG is probaly in pre-beta for Killzone 2 seeing as they keep on hinting at a Beta coming soon.

I can only see one screen shot. Can someone tell me why?

Sony really does need another mainline shooter franchise. They pretty much gave up after the PS3 generation, and I'm really surprised they haven't tried at another high-profile, singleplayer-centric shooter; even if it weren't Killzone or Resistance.

I miss Killzone while I can see why they still do Horizon has some really good things but I do think that Horizon is overrated imo.

Or how about studios focus on projects that they feel passionate about, and not be forced to make something they have little interest in. It shows in the final product.

It’s still got potential for the modern era. The DNA is all there. The install base is there. The interest is there. The time is now.

Killzone 2 and 3 were farkin brilliant and way better than halo

Too bad they've abandoned em smh, then theres sony barely even acknowledging what us fans want. Every time they sale a certain high amount it get like that with them smh

Because Killzone games are awesome, that's the reason.

New ip after 3'rd horizon please 🙏

Give it to Bungie. The Helghast are awesome enemies and Bungie could make something really cool

not enough interest to keep it alive

I’m beating a dead horse here… but Resisitance FOM gun lay out was so fun, multiplayer was one of my top favorite experiences. Insomniac nailed it and I would love a remaster and maybe a redo with Reisistance 2. They listens to players who were wanting a Halo killer and it kind of lost its character from the first.

Warhawk, if they had just remade the first one not Starhawk which offered nice things like the build and battle.. but Warhawk was the best arcade shooter I ever played. Back when you didn’t have battle passes and you actually had to get certain amount of kills or ribbons to unlock different paint skins on the Warhawks and armor for your player.. Look at the success of Helldivers 2, it’s a fun game and it reminds me of Warhawk in a way. I’ve been wanting a remake or sequel since the beginning of the ps4 gen.. it’s hurts to have hope nowadays. Even with the demise of the studios Sony has a steady fan base.

Killzone game after Killzone 2 play style would be nice

Motorstorm would be epic with the visual upgrade, maybe this game would be a harder sell with the genre being not as popular nowadays..

Resistance franchise, Motorstorm and Dirt 2 which was fun as heck. Add Dead Space 2 as well.

I quickly looked and only saw the words PS5 Remaster and a picture of Fall of Mans logo

Ahhhh shit, well maybe one day

Resistance 1-3 remastered with online

Kill zone 1-3 remastered with online

God of war PS3 games and PSP games collection

Infamous 1-2 with all dlc please we need this. It’s such an underrated franchise and so much potential. In this age of super hero media craze Sony should utilize infamous

White knight chronicles 1-2

Warhawk and starhawk

Motorstorm series

MGS4

Easy money would be to remake Resistance and Killzone series, rather than just a remaster. And PS5 desperately needs some couch co-op shooters so this would scratch that itch.

Infamous 1+2 and KZ 2+3

Deus Ex Human Revolution

GTA IV needs one.
Still stuck on PS3 and 360.

PS3 ended up been a beast of a console, slow out of the gate, picked up steam, smashed through the finish line. The 1st PS3 slim is still one of my favourite consoles. So solid, great games, by the time GTA5 and the last of us had come out it was a clear winner for me

Nice to see that they included Pupetteer in this list.

"PS3 may not have been the strongest generation"

Meanwhile...just looking at exclusives alone and not even third party titles

Uncharted was born
Demon's Souls was born
Metal Gear Solid 4
God of War 3
The Last of Us was born
Little Big Planet was born
Warhawk
Killzone 2 and 3
Infamous was born
Resistance was born
Motorstorm was born
Gran Turismo
Heavy Rain
Journey
Shadow of the Colossus returned paving the way for the remake in the PS4 generation
PS Plus was born

Sorry bud, but the PS3 generation was amazing and featured the greatest console comeback in history.

That said, I'd love it if Warhawk returned or Metal Gear Solid 4. It needs to not be shackled to the PS3 generation anymore. A Killzone 2 remake would be insane with modern graphics and that art direction.

I really miss this gen of gaming. It felt like the last truly "great" era for videogames before the modern approach really took hold.

The PS3 was such a glorious console. The UI, the games, the free online...just incredible.

Add Mag to that list.

I would pay good money for a Warhawk remake. Socom too. The last Socom game just didn’t do it justice. Folklore could use a remaster or remake as well.
Several other titles I would like to remade with the amount of visual fidelity the current gen has over the past consoles it could help articulate the games that we’ve loved growing up. I would love even some ps2 titles to remade.. Dark Cloud from ps2, Legacy of Kain series but don’t know what will come of it sense it was bought by Embracer group and all there layoffs.

This strategy is exactly what helped ruin Xbox. Sony more than Microsoft know when to let a franchise go and that is important to keep things fresh. The old games are there if you want to play them.

Resistance series and Killzone 2 & 3 remasters/remakes. Make it happen. They will print money.

FF13 is top of this list for me. No matter your opinion on it, it being the only numbered offline FF out of all 16 not to be on new consoles is odd. GTA IV would be great too

The only reason my PS3 is still connected is because of the Resistance, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm games that I still love to play. I am for remaking or remastering them.

Would absolutely love a remastered collection of the resistance games

Resistance 1-3 and Killzone 1-3 too. Folklore and 3 Dot Heroes are underrated gems.

Why remaster games that ps5 players can't access when you can remaster a 4 year old game like tlou2 that was already patched with ps5 improvements

Would love a remake of the first Resistance game and also Tools of Destruction.

A gem of a gen, imo! So much IP to pluck.

Infamous 1&2 will sadly always be ignored by Sony, not even a ps4 remaster the whole gen, smh but uncharted, horizon, even days gone had next gen upgrades sheesh 🤦🏽 mane even tho Sony is still doing pretty good in the console business they are a lil big headed lol, I never played the resistance series but it would of been dope to see those games updated as well, we fans get lil surprises here n there but things we really are into having and being vocal about gets passed over like a mf 🤣😩

Remasters are a waste of time and developer resources. Real Devs make new games.

God I would live a Killzone or Resistance collection. Really hoping for a new one in either franchise down the line, loved both series.

I’d say new sequels instead.

Got be resistance /prototype as well

How much prefer the killzone universe to that of Horizon's.

Killzone again pls 🥺

Gratz Guerilla, amazing Studio and engine, love Decima!

I was never a huge fan of Killzone, but thoroughly enjoy Horizon. Guerrilla are superb developer and easily up there with the best of the best.

Need a killzone 2 remake from the ground up.

One of the most creative studios out. I hope they keep it up.

Great studio, loved the Killzone series, I wish they would do a remake of the first three games. Horizon is a real step up and truly put Guerrilla Games on the map.

Too bad I never got a chance to play Shellshock: Nam’67 would have loved to try that game out back in the days to see what were their beginnings.

Bring back killzone (maybe in 3rd person perspective)

It would fantastic to see what they could do in Killzone after the lessons learned through Horizon.

Or heck, give us even a short linear FPS from the people who designed Cauldron THETA in the Burning Shores expansion. Even just flying into it (after gliding around and finding its opening amongst the lava and Sunwings perched around it, with other bigger machines just along the path toward it) was an incredible experience.

Great work until now. Keep on this path

Hope they get the opportunity to create a new IP this gen as well.