infamous says hi, and red dead redemption had no lag problems either

Its true playstation vita shows that there catering for gamers and developers now

Yea it's partly because of the split RAM, but honestly they could find a way around it..they're just lazy and are still using an almost decade old engine just with a new skin. I mean Fallout 3 for the 360 even had the problems Skyrim is having on Ps3, this time they just optimized the 360 version a little better because it's similar to a PC.

Like gribble said their have been open world games on ps3 that run just fine, admittedly they don't have to keep track of items the same way but like I said there are fixes for that.

Im not defending them or saying bethesda is correct, but even with all the issues they've had with the ps3 (oblivion, fallout, fallout NV) gamers STILL demanded skyrim on ps3. You would think most would be a little cautious. Yet, every time its the same thing with complaints, bugs and glitches. At some point you have to be a smart consumer, I dont mean you, just generally speaking. People expect their games to run at a functional level, but this is not a perfect world.

Its as if gamers have two separate standards that only apply to gaming. If you purchased a product and it always had issues, why would you continue buying it? I find gamers complaints rather shallow seeing as how this is the fourth time bethesda (and obsidian) had an issue with the ps3. I dont blame them. I blame the gamers and consumers for repeatedly buying their game then handing out the same complaint 4 times in a row.

@christheredhead

You're right in that the average Bethesda gamer should have known about the history of Bethesda software and the PS3 not always playing well together. If you've known anything about the history and that Bethesda prefers the 360 then you should have been extra cautious or wary of buying this game for the PS3.

But what if you were a casual gamer recently converted to more serious gaming and didn't play past versions of TES games? (Hey, it could happen...) You would pick up the product, in this case for the PS3, get it home and maybe start having serious issues with it 60, 65 hours into the game. The average consumer would expect the developer or manufacturer of any type of product to either reimburse their money or fix the issue. Agree?

On another note, Obsidian did such a good job of porting Oblivion to the PS3 that many argue it was even better than the 360 version, in small ways. I would listen to them on this issue because it seems they know what they're talking about better than Bethesda.

And I still can't wait to play this game...on the 360 :)

Not likely, their state would probably only need to be loaded when they entered the same area, but whether they are in the vicinity or not could be checked against data on disk once in a while.

Seems logical enough to me. I'm not a programmer, though, so who knows?

That is the problem. You should not have dead bodies from when you are lvl 10 to lvl 62. The loot they drop is bad and is a burden on the system. On the 360(which I play it on) they usually disappear after 120 skyrim hours.

that doesn't matter when you go away from the bodies your piling up they aren't still there and being computed they are numbers and saved to spawn when you return. that's like saying i have a load of game saves so it will affect all my other games because there's to many? (kind of lol)

and there are many more games that are much more demanding on ps3 than skyrim, i dont play it on ps3 i play on pc but i also play alot of ps3 games and i still say if some of these other games can do it on ps3 its bethesdas problem

I find that extremely hard to believe because we have seen JRPG's like Lost Odyssey that are larger and way better than FF13 that have towns. ANd why is it that FF13-2 is just one disk on the 360 and has towns?

FF13 was already at an advanced stage before the 360 version was announced which means the design decesions in the game had already been made.

If anything was cut its only square enix that knows but it aint anything to do with the the 360

1. FFXIII cut out towns so they could make FFXIII-2. Nothing to do with platforms.

2. FFXIII-2 is only one disc on the 360 because they are removing cut scenes and dialogue that goes with it. They are pretty much cutting back on video and audio elements, which is what takes up most space on the disc. This is definitely a sign of them developing for the lowest common denominator, but they are also doing it because they are cheap and won't have to pay voice actors or graphic artists to make those scenes.

In all honestly, the gamers are losing out because SE wants to make more money for less work.

Side note: They did remove the option for Japanese voice overs with English subtitles from the PS3 version solely because it also wasn't going to be available on the 360 version. This is about all you can say was removed from the game due to the 360.