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Xbox 720 Will Be A 'True Hybrid Console,' says Analyst

Xbox 720, if you believe the rumors, could be on the market as soon as Holiday 2012, which would put it in direct competition with Wii U. What kind of system will it be though? Xbox Live has been at the heart of Xbox 360 and digital has become hugely important. Now Microsoft is strongly hinting at cloud gaming tech for the 360's successor. What does it mean? IndustryGamers chatted with analysts.

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SignifiedSix5310d ago

I think it would be a great idea for them! I, myself, prefer digital much, much more than a physical copy.
Steam is the only way i purchase games for my computer, and this would be the only way i purchase games for my Nextbox.
I like it that way, because i hate having a clutter of games (like i do now) all over the place.
I'll know a digital copy would be much safer. Don't have to worry about it being scratched, or stolen! :)

donniebaseball5310d ago

There's still too much money on the table for MS to ignore physical software sales. So as the story title mentions, it would have to be a hybrid that still allows consumers to buy physical copies and not be forced into all digital.

SignifiedSix5310d ago

I wasn't opting out the physical copies.
I meant it would be a good idea for them to do it the hybrid way.
I just prefer the digital world. :P
Besides, retailers would probably go into rage mode if they got rid of physical copies. xD

T9005309d ago (Edited 5309d ago )

Personally i think Consoles going 100% digital would be a very bad idea. Reason being console and PC markets are different.

On the PC you have so many networks competing, you got Steam, D2D, Origin, Gamersgate, GFWL all of them competing over one platform, this also helps to create a competitive environment. Competitive environments tend to push prices lower, as can be seen on constant sales and low prices on these networks. AAA games are sold at very cheap prices few weeks after launch.

When it comes to console things are different you only have PSN for Sony and you only have XBL for MS, there is no one to compete with MS on XBL same goes for Sony. Since there is no competition there is also no need to slash prices. If Sony and MS were to have a pact on not to drop prices, it would be beyond anyones control to stop them. Both of them are companies after all and are in this for the money.

Hence i would think it would be in the gamers best interest that the retail on consoles survived.

GrumpyVeteran5309d ago

That's very true T900, but what you just said, price inflation with nothing to stop it, would be enticing to both MS and Sony, thus it might be something of reality.

kaveti66165309d ago

"Hence i would think it would be in the gamers best interest that the retail on consoles survived."

Why would it be in the best interest of the gamer for companies like MS and Sony to agree not to cut prices?

You're not making any sense. You wrote a paragraph explaining how the digital market for games is so competitive that digital copies of games get huge price cuts just weeks after launch, then you go onto say that this doesn't happen between MS and Sony.

Why is it good for gamers that Sony and MS don't cut the prices for their games?

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Alos885309d ago

I don't know, I don't like the idea of never truly owning te things that I buy, and digital seems to imply that direction.
Also, what about rentals? Will they even still be possible in a digital market?

gamingdroid5309d ago

Technically you "own" the digital copy on your hard drive. You can download the content onto your console before the provider shuts down their services.

The difference is really a double edge sword, while the network is active you can always transfer it between machines, but once the network is offline, the game is tied to the console. Dics on the other hand is easily transferable between machines, but if you loose or damage it, you are SOL.

ECM0NEY5309d ago

More bandwidth would be needed. Im talking faster then Steams 3 to 4 MB. Letting us predownload days before would be an easy fix though I guess.

Iamback5309d ago

I am jumping in next gen. Nexbox will be my first non sony system in last 3 gens. Tired of Sony tbh

DeadlyFire5309d ago

This article has wasted 5 minutes of my life. Its natural progression for console to shift towards more digital support. Physical media is far from disappearing.

GUNS N SWORDS5309d ago

when games start weighing 70 to 80 gbs what then, do we sit and wait for them to finish downloading?

no, there is no point for that. a tortuous can get me a game faster.

I think the only "Hybrid xbox console" i really want to hear, is one that can play 3 generations of gaming (xb,xb360, and xb3.)

as well as ruining the new windows os to play pc games that will probably never land on consoles.

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steve30x5309d ago

Having an option to download a game digitally or have a hard copy is a great Idea.

GribbleGrunger5309d ago

cloud gaming isn't downloadable games. cloud gaming is accessing the game via the internet and playing it on your home console

Godmars2905309d ago

Its not actually owning a game, its streaming it. Leasing it.

Laxman5309d ago

Cloud gaming has the same levels of licensing as purchased copies. If you read the booklets to games you buy, you dont actually own the game, just the license to play it, same as Cloud.

BitbyDeath5309d ago

@Lax, you do own the disc it is on which gives you the rights to the software. As opposed to cloud where you don't own anything physical and don't own the software meaning it can be taken away from you at any time.

000000000000000000015309d ago

You never own the game no matter what. When you purchase a disk copy you are only purchasing a license to use one copy of the game.
I see not very many people read/understand the End User License Agreement.

Agent_hitman5309d ago

LOL too many rumors and speculations about 720, yet none of them were confirmed by MS. LOL tiring rumors!

Fishy Fingers5309d ago

Of course they won't confirm them, they'll likely still hold some specifics close to their chest even after its been unveiled. They won't even entertain the notion yet, for fear of hurting the 360.

Fishy Fingers5309d ago

Lol... "hybrid", pretty fancy why of putting it I suppose. Your best bet is to probably look at PC trends, the bigger shift towards digital/cloud storage. A safe bet would be to assume they'll cover all bases.

It's basically just and expansion of ideas they've started to introduce late into this gen.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio30d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing30d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9230d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit30d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing30d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9230d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay32d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn233d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn232d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown32d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay32d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay32d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac32d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger33d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300033d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde33d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde32d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7534d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_31d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.