This is why I don't buy anything he says anymore, yet a good majority of you are still willing to think everything he touches is gold...

Last I checked, Rare was also once a top tier developer, and what are they doing these days?

Oh god I remember when I read an article claiming that carmack got 60fps from an intergrated intel gpu. What hype and no substance. High end amd cards are having issues with framerate and no freakin advance graphics options. Guess what folks, this is the crysis 2 fiasco all over but in this case worse.

well he is right
PS3 do have “Tight memory, Poor IO Performance”
but what about PC ??
does that have “Tight memory, Poor IO Performance”
oh i got it its the "beta drivers" falut
o im sorry :)
now here is a song for you mr carmack
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Thing is Rage is a multiplatform title. Not Just PS3.

Then again, we're five years into one console cycle and talking about another. With rage being talked up around the beginning, there's no real point in complaining about developing now.

RAGE will not take any awards this year, and I am sure Uncharted 3 will take quite a few. Maybe you should learn to PS3 and quite dissing it.

Wow. Sounds like all you commenters are mad. People asked his opinion about the consoles and he answered. If you think the PS3 has no faults, then you know nothing about hardware.

mad troll props to carmack.

RAGE looks better than Uncharted 3 and runs at 60FPS. I know you're in denial because you can't accept the fact that a multiplatform title looks better than your precious exclusive Uncharted, but get over it. It's not a big deal.

carmack irl trolling

Did I miss something? I admit I haven't followed Rage at all because it doesn't interest me but I thought it was supposedly phenomenal from the previews and comments that have come out. Did it get downgraded or something? I thought it was supposed to put all other games to shame running at 60fps and all. What happened?

WOW just login to N4G see this caught my eye.
Well thats the final nail in the coffin Spend more time to study ps3 youll realise you can do good with it like many others.

Get your head out of ms A** Soz guys way i feel to think he had my respect and his company ID for long time.

Bad enough hes chosen to not work on his lead platform like he has done for years. its even worse you gota start talking trash AGAIN" to another big company.

Is everyone on this site a troll or something. He's not dissing the ps3 he just answered a question honestly. The ID tech 5 is made for next-gen consoles not current ones. It's not that he doesn't understand anything about the ps3. I'm pretty sure if he was given the Uncharted 3 engine he could put out a game just as good looking as Naughty Dog can.

The fact that he actually explains why the ps3 version is not perfect isn't like Gabe Newel at all who just said he didn't like the ps3 for no reason. He doesn't say he dislikes the ps3 at all actually he just gave technical reasons for why the game runs worse.

For the id tech 5 engine with megatextures, 60 fps, physics and ai that aren't from ps2 gen like half of you are saying the ps3 has a problem running it with the reasons he gave. It's not like it's an engine that was made for ps3 or even 360. It's for the 720 and ps4. None of you realize that though.

I can't believe people call him a "Coding genius".

There's nothing groundbreaking about RAGE. They gave the game muddy textures and no AA with plenty of pop-in, and thus were able to make it 60fps. TA-DA! More talented developers have done things more amazing than that. If everyone else used the same "technique", then most console games could probably be 60fps.

What impressive things has he done in the last DECADE? Pretty lighting in Doom 3? Whoop de doo. iD are has-beens.

meh I kind of agree... even Gabe is still not a big fan of PS3, the only reason he prefers it to the xbox is because of the fact that he has more freedom on the ps3.

Carmack knows more about the PS3 than any of you. So Carmack is no longer crediable because he isn't bowing down to you Sony worshipers. I'll tell you this Id take his words over any of yours. You guys need to grow up and stop acting like spoiled children. The PS3 isnt some magical machine that spouts rainbows and unicorns out of its ass because of its limitless power. If you want to be mad at somebody be mad at sony for building their processor around their house owned blu-ray format.

lolol that was funny

Typical fanboy response. PS3 proven by THE technical expert to be the weakest link and suddenly he has no credibility! HA! Sorry but it is you guys who have no credibility to any rational observer! How many times have we seen this? The best looking games on consoles perform better on the 360 (Crysis and Rage etc) and everyone here vociferously and repeatedly DENIES it and DISSES the developers. And then they go back to their usual driveL about Uncharted or Killzone being better...

But the truth is NO your exclusives are NOT better! I have both consoles and agree that the production value of PS3 exclusives are good and have superior artistic style, BUT they are NOT technically better. Even if you disagree with this, at the very least they are NOT, as many of you like to claim, significantly better than other good games, be it multi platforms or 360 exclusives. It was said from the start of this gen that the architecture of the 360 is better suited for gaming and, no surprise, that is still proving to be true. Your relentless denial, false logic and siege mentality won't change that fact.

Oh dear, it seems some of you have had your feelings hurt by Carmack talking about your dear little ps3. Oh diddums, grab a tissue and wipe away your tears.

I think he knows what he's talking about more than you lot. He was just answering a question, nothing more than that.

Coding genius failed? You mean he didn't deliver 60fps and high quality graphics on PS3?

He previously said that PS3 MORE POWER, but it requires tons of work to get them because it is hard to code for. Also, cause it lacks development tools. and etc.

this is the same "TECHNICAL EXPERT".

Also, you shouldnt say Crysis 2 and technical at the same time. you just proven your self an obvious- rtard- troll.

Crysis 2 suffers from tons of technical issues. SUB HD, Frame rates, Pop ups. low poly counts and etc. go read it on DF or LOT. it looks good, but it is not "technically" better. no where close.LOT did a comparison on this. KZ3 and UC2 looks better than C2. I lol at your denial.

Also, i laugh at how you get off at tiniest difference between multiplat games. With 360 not having any exclusives, i guess fanboys need something to get excited about.

Also, Rage isnt the best looking game on console. it lacks too much polygon, lighting, and jaggfest on consoles.

He's just stating his professional opinion it happens to be unfavorable for ps3 and now of course you kids want to slam him. lol, John Carmack, credentials include Respected dev/ genius coder, Father of the FPS, recently made Rage, which although had issues is still 1 of the best ever looking games on consoles, with very good gameplay.

So when it comes to creditability its not even close.....John Carmack>Infinite fanboys.

It's 5 year old hardware, and older if you consider the development of the actual system and he's complaining?

What the hell does he want? The PC version which is basically unlimited, cant even run properly on most people's rigs.

It's amazing how the ps3 people on here think they know more about game development and hardware than the legendary John Carmack. Wow. Where is this place? Is it the ps3 twilight zone or something?

Seems Carmack's wisdom has these birds' wings flustered. The guy has more tech know-how in his finger than all of you put together but the drones hive mentality wants all hands on deck--typing criticism about the good sir for stating facts. You all should save some of that venom for Doom 4, when that RAGE engine drops down to 30fps and crush every competitor out there and make you believe your money wasn't wasted on that plastic you worship, lol....

@xPhearR3dx

You wish, guy. The textures in Rage are child's play when compared to Uncharted 3's.

What year is this? Oh yeah its 2011... for a half minute there I thought this was another lost Gabe Newell rant that somehow resurfaced on N4G....

If KillZone can show us realistic dynamic lighting then why can't rage?

I don't mean to insult the creator of First Person Shooters... But why is Carmack the only one complaining now? Looks like someone is 5 years to late to the PS3 hate party.

Sorry mates, kind of ot noob, but i just got PS3 and i´m thinking can i sign in two gamer profiles at the same time (like 360 style) and earn trophys for both while playing split?

After 5 years only with 360 and now shitfaced with "little" vodka snaps on while trying to learn PS3 OS is pretty hard lol, maybe I just need some more juice. But ty for the help anyway =:P

Drinks on me!

What's IO?

@Objective

"i own both consoles" yeah what a load of crap. pretty much every 360 fanboy says that. tell the truth, you have NEVER played killzone or uncharted.

Why don't we just let our games do the talking?
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Anyway, as I recall, he said the PS3 had MORE peak power/performance than 360. BUT it is harder to utilize.

Have any of you fanboys even seen RAGE on PS3?
Both versions are virtually identical. So I don't see why people are getting riled up when the 360 version is really no better:
http://www.lensoftruth.com/...

PS3 is a tricky old thing to master no question. What he says about the platform is also technically true. However, what most people seem to be annoyed about is that RAGE has not really lived up to the hype as a technical tour de force.

What is worse for him is that the PC version was bodged to start with. There is NO valid excuses to be had for the problems on PC, no moaning about technical limitations.

Unfortunately when he says his studio can't improve on the games performance that is really a comment on the lack of ambition, ingenuity and expertise on hand inside the developer surely?

Sounds like somebody else needs to go cap in hand to the first party sony studios to learn how to build games better for PS3.

Carmack is not the first person (no pun intended) to complain about the PS3, when it comes to programming for games hardware he knows what he's talking about, he's also a rocket scientist in his spare time so I'm going to go ahead and trust his judgement.

PS3 is a great machine with some very nice exclusives, I just hope Sony learn from their experience and makes the next Playstation easier to develop for. After all, who cares which machine has the better multi platform games as long as they just keep making good games for us to play.

lose the positive connotation of the Ps3 being a pain in the ass to code for already. He isn't the only dev to touch on it either.

Yet again, Gabe Newell, though not tactful, wasn't wrong about his criticism of the PS3 at the time.

Sony had a lousy first couple of years, and Newell pretty much said flat out that the architecture was needlessly obtuse and the development tools weren't all that great.

The PS3 was not the most worthwhile system to own back then. It's obviously improved, which was why Newell, who is very very good at the business side of things, didn't shy away from what amounted to a solid market for Portal 2.

@malol

Actually the problem with PCs is making the game work across multiple configurations... which is a nightmare compared to making for a console with a single configuration (for the most part).

You have to think of being able to work with Vista and 7, and sometimes XP and what about those that have Mac? You have to work with multiple drivers and issues with each in respect to what they can or can't put out.

I've had to revert back to old drivers for some games because new drivers give me a fault with a certain game.

How many chipsets and graphic cards do we have to deal with? It almost gets to the point where you have to have multiple games on each disk and then just choose which version works with your system. And no matter what you are always short handing one PC configuration over the other.

I remember the days were I had to have a specific graphics card just to play a game. Not to just play it well... but to actually play it. PCs have their advantages but their disadvantages are just as many when you deal with all of them together.

maybe he should apply for an internship at Naughty Dog

i thingzz you learn need to spellz properly.

He's is basically saying that the HDD is to slow to stream the textures to the RAM (hence the poor IO performance comment). And he is also saying that if he had more RAM he could have also have fixed the problem that way. Hence why he says that its got "tight RAM". If you's use a Solid State Drive it'll get rid of all, if not, almost all the texture pop-in/up. Sony and MS should also implement a defragmenter, as that might help situation out some

more like 5% 720p and 95% sub hd there is "dynamic resolution" for ya.

That depends on the platform you are on:

"The top shot is just a cut-scene showing your new buggy inside the Hagar settlement garage. It seems to be running at 640x720 on PS3 while Xbox 360 is in the region of 896x720. In the bottom shot, we're again seeing 640x720 on the PlayStation 3, while 360 renders the same scene at 1152x720."

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

... that said, there is still no other game I can think of that is multi-platform, runs 60fps and looks better than Rage.

Graphics or not, the gameplay is actually kinda boring.

Well, as much as I can respect what id has brought to gaming in terms of the technical stuff...

I've never really been uber-thrilled by their gameplay or (especially) narrative.

I bet the people at Naughty Dog would hire Carmack in a heartbeat if they could get him, and I suspect they look down on you silly ignorant PS3 fanboy types and the obnoxious idiotic stuff you post with a sad sense of disgust and contempt. I bet they think Rage looks and runs amazing and are proud of Carmack for his role in it and looking forward to Doom 4.

Because unlike the typical N4G nerd herd Naughty Dog is not made up of angry, small minded, dishonest bitter, little idiots with an axe to grind, who have NO IDEA what they are spewing crap about 95% of the time (including now).

Naughty Dog like John Carmack are respectable, educated, highly skilled game devs with a record of excellence who know good stuff when they see it and respect it.

Naughty Dog have far more in common with a John Carmack than they do with the babbling chumps who muck up this aggregator site that mostly just posts bad lists and opinion pieces from kids with barely updated blogspot sites, who pretend to be game journalists, in a sad quest for occasional free review copies, trade show access, and swag from naive, uncaring, or distracted PR types.

Grow up moron. Why in the world would Naughty Dog hire Carmack? He hasn't made a great game in years. Doom 3 was pretty bad. Rage is nothing special. He just isn't keeping up.

@BrianC6234

quote:

"The PS3 is a powerful system".

Right on brotha, my PS3 is a supacomutar it has 8 SPU's running at infinite LolloHertz, and a dynamic hardware that gets faster as time passes by.

@Jazz4108 Dont bring physics up it makes you look completely ignorant.The processor in the PS3 is far more capable with physics then the 360 CPU.BF3 should actually have better physics on the PS3,should but will not.

It's pretty much beyond argument that the CELL is a physics monster. Check youtube for examples. Sure it lacks in other areas but it's not even debatable what kinds of physics ops it can pull-off.

@Baby343 Yea the cell is a physics beast.Just find it funny people think the 360 CPU can compete with the PS3 CPU it can't.Did you know the 360 CPU uses anywhere from 15% to near 50% of its power decompressing data.