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PS4 and Xbox 720: Backwards compatibility, disc vs digital

Sony shocked us all yesterday when they announced that the PS3 would now be backwards compatible. However, the PS2 games will not be in a physical format, but via PSN. This now leads us into something very interesting wondering if the PS4 and Xbox 720 should support backward compatibility, and if it should be disc or digital?

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FlareDReborn5353d ago

i think i'd rather digital so i can just buy it from the PSN store.

Prophet-Gamer5353d ago (Edited 5353d ago )

No, it'll either be disk based or I'll have a really hard time buying one because I'll always prefer a physical copy over a digital one.

There's already a ton of control over disk based games, imagine if things went fully digital.... it'd be crazy. just look at origin's dumb terms of use, it's absolute nonsense.

The only reason I support digital downloads on PC is because of the great deals on steam. If it weren't for steam I'd still be buying boxed PC games.

BrunoM5353d ago

I donna maybe I'm just to much of an old school gamer but I like my games with cases so I can see my collection lol ..

I'm all up for same time ( day ) release of games in stores and online so for who ever wants it one way can get it and I can get my physical midea as well ...

Plus nothing beats a nice stack of games lol

Persistantthug5353d ago

Why?
Because of PSN and XBOX LIVE.

There's no guarantees, but in order to play PSN games that you bought and to keep selling current games next gen for publishers and developers, the next PS4 will have to have a Cell Processor and/or Cell Processor compatible CPU.

With the PS2, Sony didn't really have a solidified network that they had to carry over. Now, that they've committed a Billion or 2, they're as committed as we are as consumers and publishers/developers and other vendors.

It's not guaranteed, but the signs are likely for B/C next gen.

Jocosta5353d ago

You just made a very concise point that I had not thought of in reference to BC, that is very true.

kreate5353d ago

how bout both disk and digital?

Neoninja5353d ago

I rather disk. I like physically having my games.

Corax5353d ago

Disc and Digital both have there pluses. There are some games I'd rather have digital and there are some I'd rather have on Disc. Depends on the Game really, like MGS series I'd rather have on disc. Looks nice on display.

feelintheflow5353d ago

How about letting me play the games that I already own, instead of charging me for something I have already paid for. Sounds like something MS would do, not Sony. I am disappoined.

KingSlayer5353d ago (Edited 5353d ago )

If it sounds like something MS would do, explain XBL? They charge you to use Netflix you already paid for and can access from your phone and PC for free, play online, chat, send text messages...but they won't charge you for something you already paid for? ooooookay ;)

kreate5353d ago

i think similarly, Microsoft has been doing this where they sell u digital forms of original xbox games u already paid for.

so yeah its a Microsoft move and Sony thinks its a good idea.

raytraceme5353d ago (Edited 5353d ago )

ps3 25-50gb downloads lol @ that

yesmynameissumo5353d ago

My local ISP offers 50MB down, 5MB up. That's completely doable.

raytraceme5353d ago

TWC Wideband? That is what I currently have but the issue is cost. I work at TWC so wideband costs me $30. Now for the regular customer wideband costs $100 which not everyone can afford on top of their cable and phone bills. Plus the coverage for these speeds is very low and only a few counties support it so far. Until costs are lower, speeds are faster, and availability is everywhere, then I have no problem. A lot of people I know still use dsl. SO there is a long way to go. I estimate 2-3 years till the technology can be available to everyone at a decent cost.

KingSlayer5353d ago

Entire city of Cincinnati and a great deal of surrounding suburbs have wideband. BUT, $100 a month just for net access is high. 50MB down is still kick ass. Working at TWC, you know the Extreme and other broadband tiers. 10 or 15MB is still sweet. Price is an obstacle though.

yesmynameissumo5353d ago (Edited 5353d ago )

I don't know about Cincinnati, but I know Fairfield Township has wideband and it is $100. I have Zoomtown DSL running 5MB down. I'm switching to at least TWC Extreme.

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot33d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle33d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7733d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay34d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn234d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn234d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown34d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay34d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay34d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac33d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger34d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300034d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde34d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde34d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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FuRyu teases new game ‘Project Alice’ to be announced on April 25

FuRuy has opened a Twitter account called “Project Alice” teasing a new game announcement on April 25 at 20:30 JST.