Battlefield 3 graphics is no where close to Killzone 2 and 3. This game is overhyped piece of crap. Even the PC graphics are horrible i can't stand the low res textures used in this game with such high requirements. Its like telling both my 580's to waste electricity. Instead of using HDR or LDR they are using global illumination on PC making it a resource hog. You run any game on PC with maxed out resolution it will look better than this.

They're shooting for photo-realism? On consoles I haven't seen that achieved yet, although Crysis 2 does a decent job, everything else is stylish or has a specific art direction, Killzone included.

I'm sorry but Uncharted 1 to me is more visually appealing than the Beta I'm playing. The lighting is better in BF3, I'll give it that, but practically everything else is better in a 2007 game IMO.

@GrieverSoul

*Comparing a beta to a game that has been finished and supported by Sony*

*Laughing hysterically!*

^^^^er? NO!

If you took the time to read, you would realize that they're talking about the single player campaign, which as I said should look a lot better than multiplayer.

Looking at the PC single player footage shown so far, and the PC multiplayer beta the single player looks like a completely different game, since it's that much better looking than this multiplayer beta. My guess is that the console versions will be the same. No one hypes a game like this and doesn't have the goods to show off, so I assume they actually put out a really old build of the game, and will blow everyone away with the final product. People who actually seen the game in action are constantly impressed (as far as single player).

BF3 multiplayer looks like cr@p. It seems like it looks worse than MW2!

This game was way overhyped....

I played the "Demo" lastnight for a while, and this game looks so much like Crysis 2 its almost like Dice used CryEngine 3 and tweeked it a bit. The problem with this is that Crysis 2 didn't look anywhere as good at Uncharted 2 or killzone 3. So no, Dice is not pushing the PS3...or maybe they are but with un-optimized code kinda like BC2 on PC.

God guys dont you get get it.

Whats new in this engine is the damn lighting. textures? what did you expect they are still dealing with the same amount of memory. Not to mention THE MAPS ARE HUGE.

comparing this to uncharted is just wrong uncharted maps are much smaller so technically speaking they can cram more texture resolution into the smaller areas, its not so much a storage limitation but a ram limitation the level of detail is limited to area of the map divided by the amount of volatile memory available.

about the lighting engine. WHICH IS THE technical marvel of the new frostbite engine. has to do with the amount of lights that can be computed including the indirect lighting at one time which leads to the awesome lighting you see in the trailers. and what is to thank for this? the new screen space rendering they have ingeniously created allowing for more realistic lighting than anything previous.

this engine is marvelous. it is the hardware not being up to snuff that is bringing out the ps3 fanboys. uncharted is a great game dont get me wrong but what it has in art direction it lacks in technical comparison.

frostbite 2 can render thousands of lights at once all influencing indirect lighting through their clever light volume system. This engine is the first in its class and shines in dynamic lighting situations.

look for yourself your gun is influenced by every light source in the game every rocket cast both direct and indirect lighting as it travels.

Every light has both direct and indirect lighting every frame every time.

so indeed they are pushing the ps3 and the 360, they just dont have enough Umph to do the engine justice; any disappointment you have should be directed at Your hardware choice not Dice.

get with the program or get left behind the technology. that may seem crass to console owners seeing as how they are predisposed to waiting for the next console, simple fact the S$%t you buy gets old.

so seeing as how the S$%t you bought got old, there is a very high likelihood that your S#$t is old, which leaves an even higher probability that your old S$#t Simply cannot handle the latest and greatest engine in PC games today.

get real.

You guys do understand the reason a game like uncharted looks as stunning as it does is because of amazing art direction and production values. Technically its not some "graphical beast".

That is absolutely true, art direction generally makes the biggest visual impact while production value makes the biggest impact on experience next to game play.

i played the beta today. i was soooooooo hyped for the beta, and for BF3 in general. what i saw was very disappointing. it runs like shit, it looks like shit. i have to say though, i had lots of fun. LOADS of fun. much more fun than Black Ops. but anywho, the first moment i saw the game playing in front of me, i immediately assumed that this was an older version of the game. even DICE confirmed that this is older code. i simply don't believe that this beta is anywhere near what we'll be getting on October 25th/28th. open your eyes people.

@aCasualGamer

Rage has good textures because it lacks the complicated AI and physics that you see in other games (like Killzone, Uncharted, or even the destructibility in Bad Company). If you take out those other process-heavy features, then it allows you to maximize on what's left.

@inveni0

Have you played Rage to know that the AI and physics aren't that great or complicated because based on previews I've read both are praised...

Well, look at the efforts. Obviously Crysis 2 blew away anything tha......what? Crysis 2 on consoles was sub-HD, had no anti-aliasing, and had some tearing/FR issues?

Oh. Guess I shouldn't buy into PR BS....

OOOOHHH! Shiny red ball!
*Runs after RAGE*

@JaredH
60fps doesn't change the fact that the "Super ultra-textures" aren't that great looking and often cartoony.

IF The multiplayer for BF3 has the same amount of players as the PC, I would be inclined to believe them (seeing that MAG is pushing this gen's highest number of players in a FPS this gen).

If everything's the same as the 360 (which is a very capable console, so don't be offended by the following) I can't believe them. No offense to the 360 and 360 fans, but although I believe the PS3 or 360 is not being pushed like they ought to, the PS3 had to be pushed to justify the $600 price tag a long time ago.

With games like Killzone, Heavy Rain, Lair, Uncharted, MAG, Warhawk, Ratchet and Clank, god of war, and other games pushing the PS3 to unnatural limits this gen with room to grow, I can easily see how Battlefield can look really good and have the same amount of players as the PC. The PS3 should even have the capacity to carry the PC's 128 to 250 modded servers; but unlike the PC servers, if done like MAG,if possible, the lag should even be a resolvable issue; seeing that Zipper resolved it and the previously modded Source (valve) and Unreal (Epic) engines can't handle 128 players without massive lag, and neither one of those engines have destructible environments.

Everyone on this site hates on multiplatform games for no reason. Obviously exclusives are the only games that are fun or matter. Rage is on a new engine that's made for next-gen but is being used now to show its potential and that isn't just PR BS. Please what looks so terrible about it? Anything that doesn't involve Sony is just bashed to hell on this site and so is anyone who doesn't care if a game has Sony branded all over it.

@GrieverSul *Looks at PS3 and PC*

*Laughing hysterically!*

@SuicideKing: Troll much?

@ Autodidactdystopia

Great post man, I actually learned something from this. Unfortunately though the haters will just ignore the facts that you've stated and keep posting senseless BS. I hate to say it but educating the majority of N4G is simply a waste of time.

@ meetajhu

Are you kidding me? You've obviously never played Caspian Border if you really think the PC graphics are horrible. If you have, then there is something very wrong with you. Besides, although there are the Ultra options in the Beta, it's actually still locked and so you're actually only playing it on High (except for Textures). I'm pretty sure the people who agreed with you are just the haters whining about the beta.

@GrieverSoul
*Looks at Uncharted ONE! and BF3 Beta*

*Laughing hysterically!*

*Chokes* _sad_face.

@SilentNegotiator

I don't understand why you bash Rage in every article you can. I'm pretty sure no video game can have a personal vendetta against you.

Rage isn't just a corridor shooter. It does have open areas and vehicles. Resistance 3 was more of a corridor shooter than Rage looks to be and that's still not a corridor shooter at all. The graphics have their own art style and if it's cartoony for you and you can somehow notice terrible textures when I think the game looks great overall then fine. I'm looking forward to the game and I'm not saying it's gonna be GOTY but the game's not even out yet and you're saying it's garbage everywhere...

@Jared

Well excuse ME for there being so many RAGE related articles lately. If people can praise it to high heaven in multiple articles, I can certainly share my own opinion on the game in multiple articles that discuss RAGE.

The textures often look rather flat (and "cartoony") and inconsistent. And the touted "open world" is very closed up.

You're either "pushing limits" or not. And from the several, several gameplay videos I've seen, they don't push consoles by any way other than decreasing texture quality to improve framerate.

And graphics aside, I don't think RAGE's gameplay or premise is anything special these days.

BF3 beta is one of those good intention that back fired badly! I think they just want to have a load test for their servers (thus the status BETA!) but turns out gamers are taking it as a demo and quickly throw judgement that the final game will be horrible! but can you blame them? KZ3 had a beta and it looked gorgeous! R3 had a beta and it looked good too and turned out looking close to it's final form!

I'm not saying it's wrong on the gamers' side though as EA/DICE should have known better especially EA as this is not the 1st time this kind of thing happen! have they forgotten what happened to Crysis 2 beta? they use the old build for the beta and it performs horribly on consoles like bugs everywhere, glitches, UGLY etc...sounds familiar? why would they do the same mistake TWICE in the same year? stupid much? obviously even being sub-HD, Crysis 2 turns out way better than the beta and I think BF3 will to but why giving gamers the wrong impression? they are suppose to build hype and anticipation not destroy potential sales!

and doing isn't the same. KZ,UC, etc aren't doing the same stuff as BF so his statement is correct

@ Auto: I am sorry but you have obviously never programmed in your life, you have no idea what you are talking about, and you might as well shut up.

Uncharted 2 and especially 3 are THE most advanced games on the market. Go dig up some articles on the tech they use if you want to or better yet play the games and school yourself in computer technology. The water in U2 is still the best water on consoles. The textures are still the best textures on consoles. Their draw distance and streaming tech is unbelievable. To simply say DICE is doing this or that better is preposterous. They have a lighting engine: they also have a blurry shitty low res way of showing off that engine that does nothing to compensate. U3's has some of the best Lighting, Water, SSAO, and of course water in ANY game and that includes PC games for the water. Oh, yeah, and they have THE best animations in the business lol.

I mean it's ridiculous. You have no facts, you generalize U2 like it was some kind of one off game by some company who has no idea what they are doing. Get a life dude. Their game is far advanced beyond BF3 it's a joke to be even talking about. Nevermind KZ3 makes BF3 it look like a PS2 Game with its 'horrible' deferred lighting engine.

Autodidactdystopia

I am sorry using the maps are huge card is BS copout. I played the beta and it doesn't look better than MAG which had maps way bigger than BF3 maps with freaking 256 players.

! swine

Lol, everything you said was Absolutely wrong. :) so I have taken the liberty of letting you know; I will annotate your lowly post.

" I am sorry but you have obviously never programmed in your life, you have no idea what you are talking about, and you might as well shut up."

I have programmed my entire life. in C, c++, c# (the best) python, actionscript 2-3,
Basic, as well as unrealscript and many others. shut your dirty hole.

"Uncharted 2 and especially 3 are THE most advanced games on the market."

sure.

"Go dig up some articles on the tech they use if you want to or better yet play the games and school yourself in computer technology."

For the last 10 years my profession has been in both windows linux unix x86, and mac ppc. repair-reflow troubleshooting and upgrade. as well software repair, reformat, bootsector repair etc.etc.etc you will NEVER EVER IN YOUR WILDEST DREAMS KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT COMPUTERS stop your idiocy.

oh wait theres more

The water in U2 is still the best water on consoles. The textures are still the best textures on consoles.

Ok good best on consoles go ahead have double standards whatever its ok.

Continued in next post

@ SWINE

"Their draw distance and streaming tech is unbelievable."

No its not it was but its not. draw distance is nothing more than a setting its about the actual code for shaders and vertex shaders.
streaming tech is good, yay that is to compensate for lack of physical memory. if you have physical memory that is not a problem.

"To simply say DICE is doing this or that better is preposterous."

wrong again. go ahead I can do this all day.

"They have a lighting engine: they also have a blurry shitty low res way of showing off that engine that does nothing to compensate."

that blurry shitty low res way is called the ps3 and 360. the hardware just isnt there. If compensation is what you need to do to show off then theres a problem.

wrong what is that 4-0?

"U3's has some of the best Lighting, Water, SSAO, and of course water in ANY game and that includes PC games for the water. Oh, yeah, and they have THE best animations in the business lol."

screen space ambient occlusion is computed in screen space, which means that actual ambient occlusion was too resource intensive so in order to meed performance limits somewhere in the middle a "Screen space post process filter that uses combinations of zdepth and other api functions to simulate ambient occlusion which is light being absorbed in areas where it would be likely to bounce between objects that occlude or come close to occluding others. by definition it is not the best because it is outclassed by the real thing. Frostbites lighting engine is far superior to Uncharted's proprietary tech, uncharted's environments are BAKED! they mix in a few dynamic light sources in order to suspend disbelief.

Wrong again.

"I mean it's ridiculous. You have no facts, you generalize U2 like it was some kind of one off game by some company who has no idea what they are doing. Get a life dude. Their game is far advanced beyond BF3 it's a joke to be even talking about. Nevermind KZ3 makes BF3 it look like a PS2 Game with its 'horrible' deferred lighting engine."

You are still wrong, not gonna bother my Wife is laughing at you.

anyhow I have built little physics engines and worked and produced levels and all other types of crap in many engines including Unreal3, CE 2, source and others.
this includes mesh gen skinning texture work uv mapping lighting animation scripting and so much more than you could ever imagine. I am also an electrician, a Registered EMT and I can cook like no tomorrow.

this post is to let you know that you are a NOOB and you made yourself look like an A hole *

heres a couple vids I made over the past 5 years. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Just because I dumb things down for easy consumption does not mean I do not know what I am talking about.

You F&^*#$G get a life. Or know what your talking about.

They ain't even coming close to pushing the Ps3's limits and that's the truth.

Dark souls... NBA 2k12 ... I'm skipping rage nothing against the game,it's just not for me

@Ghoul

" a tank rolling engeneer squad with ace health supprt by the medics and plow through the map."

I don't know why but I like this sentence.....

BF3 will be sweet, some visual aspects is all that need improving, The gameplay and dynamics are just what I want from an FPS...

its still nothing compared to the amount of physics calculations done in bf games. ex. trees falling, bullet drop, destructible walls, collapsible buildings, tank physics, helicopter physics, etc.

all of that done on a WAY bigger map where there are hundreds of those objects/multiple vehicles

What exactly do you mean by nothing? Oh, wait, again, you are 16 years old and you have no clue how to program or what any of this tech really means. You just generalize your favorite game and throw out words or theories you heard on a site but for the life of gaming you have no real idea what you are talking about. Mmmmk.

BF3 maps are just as small as KZ3 maps on consoles there big guy. Just food for thought. As well their AA is horrible, their animations are ugly, and their resolutions are laughable.

if BC2 maps are we can go by then i dont see what you're talking about. i highly doubt BF3 maps are going to be significantly smaller. it takes 10min+ for you to run through harvest/oasis/etc from beginning to the end of the map. how are KZ maps bigger exactly?