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How Could Generations New Eclipse This One?

Jeff from Volatile Mode explains how this generation has done so much to push the industry forward, yet leaves nothing for the eighth generation of consoles.

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xX-StolenSoul-Xx5386d ago

Besides graphics i don't know what future consoles can do. The Wii U control looks very innovating and that will be a real changer. Xbox And Ps3 may need to look at something else. Xbox does have the kinect to fallback on and they can possibly perfect it, but Ps only has the move at the moment which is basically the same as the wii so it's not very innovating.
Online gaming was easily the best feature of this Gen i don't know if anyone can top that.

iamnsuperman5386d ago (Edited 5386d ago )

I can't believe this is going to be the second time I have to post this in 7 days

"The nunchike and navigation controller are similar but the actually motion controllers are done by different technology. The Wii uses IR along with 3 accelerometers . The Move is "The colored light serves as an active marker, the position of which can be tracked along the image plane by the PlayStation Eye. The uniform spherical shape and known size of the light also allows the system to simply determine the controller's distance from the PlayStation Eye through the light's image size, thus enabling the controller's position to be tracked in three dimensions with high precision and accuracy.The sphere-based distance calculation allows the controller to operate with minimal processing latency, as opposed to other camera-based control techniques on the PlayStation 3" (wiki) along with "a three-axis linear accelerometer and a three-axis angular rate sensor, are used to track rotation as well as overall motion. An internal magnetometer is also used for calibrating the controller's orientation against the Earth's magnetic field to help correct against cumulative error (drift) by the inertial sensors" (wiki)"

So in short it is not the same as the wii and is innovative because it is totally different tech.

I think it is going to be a graphics jump and not as big from SD to HD. I can't see the tablet controller being that successful or that useful but if Nintendo release the right games it could force Microsoft and Sony to follow suit.

mamotte5386d ago

So you take the controller in your hands and wave your arms and point at the screen to get motion controlled games.

Yeah, pretty different.

Seferoth755385d ago

You do realize that they work using almost the exact same method right? Wii has IR cameras in every controller that read the IR shot out by the sensor bar. The only way in which Move really differs is the camera is placed on the TV and you hold the sensor.

HeavenlySnipes5386d ago

imagine a next gen where NPCs do more than stand around and awit for you to talk to them, dynamic weather (No I don't mean just rain or sunshine, I mean actual seasons being in the game) AND day/night cycles, more effects (better lighting, destruction in almost every game, better physics, etc..), larger player/NPC counts (yes, I believe ARMA has like 100 of people on screen, but it'd be nice to have it on consoles)

All of that stuff will make games much better than they are now because devs don't have to worry about sacrificing certain stuff in order to make their game look better.

vishant1015386d ago

just wondering have you played mojora's mask?

limewax5386d ago

I think you were close with your first point, AI.

It has a limit due to current systems, When that limit is lifted AI will improve and that is where the next gen lies, it could actually be a bigger leap than this gen as it could bring games much closer to the movie genre they are often compared with.

And before anyone says why isn't it done on PC if it's possible? Well they have robots that can tell chairs from tables and stools, and hive-mind bots that can learn tasks and share them with any robot sharing its network. I'm sure better AI in games isn't hard to imagine.

N4g_null5385d ago

How about some creativity instead of realism. It's not even that realistic any way. How about animation because it's cool. How about new effiencent ways to control things and system that barely do hd and a system that does it plus more easily.

This next gen is the snes gen and you'll see why. Lots of games where praised for graphics alone now they will actualy have to play well. That along will make us forget about this gen as if it was the atari gen before the collapse.

Filthcardia5386d ago

I don't think the Wii U's controller is really innovative. It's a novel idea, but not revolutionary. The controller reminds me too much of the tablet, and essentially shares the design. A tablet with buttons.

jacen1005386d ago (Edited 5386d ago )

i dont class it a tablet with buttons i class it as a control with a screen, because it has all the classic controller features that are being used at the moment and all the buttons are in the correct place still , only reason it gets the tablet tag is because its shaped like one but it has to be so fit the second screen, and like iamnsuperman says i can see the rest doing there versions of it if we start to see some interesting ways it can be used

Titanz5386d ago (Edited 5386d ago )

Better online service
HD visuals
(improved)Third party support
Traditional controller(with a twist)

Fanboys probably won't buy the Wii U, but everyone else(who can), will.

Micro_Sony5386d ago

WiiU Zelda and Nintendo has my money day 1.

PCE5386d ago

I'll buy one, although I won't line up day 1 for one. Waiting for all the Nintendo exclusives to stack up before I dive in.

The Wii U is quite promising though.

limewax5386d ago (Edited 5386d ago )

I will buy Wii-u as and when nintendo deliver an experience I feel is worth its price point. Same as every user should and will. I was late on Wii because there wasn't much to lure me in, when it fell to £150 I bought in. If Ninty deliver a higher end experience again then I will buy the console much earlier in its lifespan as I have with every Ninty console before the Wii, if that means a much higher price point is less of my concern

f7897905386d ago

You don't seem to know what "fanboy" means. A fanboy will buy a product regardless of how good or bad it is.

Shackdaddy8365386d ago

He means Sony/Microsoft fanboys.

TheFirstClassic5386d ago

They better finally release pikmin 3 on it. I've been wanting that game since the pikmin 2 came out. Also, I'm really wondering about the price.

mike1up5385d ago

I am not certain of who said it, maybe Miyamoto, hinted that Pikmin 3 would be available for the WiiU at launch. I dont have the interview anymore, wish i did, i would post it here for you.

Completely feel the same way though.

UltimateIdiot9115386d ago (Edited 5386d ago )

WOAH WOAH, aren't you just assuming they will have better online service? We don't even know what their online service will be like. They barely got their shit together for online store on the 3DS. As far as we know, we don't know what the third party support will be like. I remember at the beginning of this gen, there were quite a few devs excited to work on the Wii and what do we have now? Lots of shovelware and barely any worthwhile titles.

What's this traditional controller with a twist you're talking about? If it's the tablet controller, the WiiU only supports 1 which makes you wonder what the other controllers will be like and how local multiplayer would work.

So let's not get too ahead of ourselves here.

As for me, I'm going to wait and see. Nintendo hasn't exactly have the best track record for anything outside of their first party title nor am I a fan of their wiimote. I have a Wii at home but the only one who plays it is my dad with WiiSport.

Also console sales don't make $$$, it's software sales. I'm pretty sure most of their money comes primary from DS software sales and not Wii software sales.

Point is, Nintendo has a long way to go to change people's opinion.

Silly gameAr5386d ago

Yes, it's the fanboys that won't buy them. The people that no interest in the Wii-U must be fanboys.

Brilliant.

Titanz5385d ago

I was addressing that fanbase.You're right about the fanboy generalisation, and I apologise for that.

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Kee5386d ago

I thought this was a google translate article when I read the title lol.

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot42d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle42d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7742d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay43d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn244d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn243d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown43d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay43d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay43d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac43d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger44d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300043d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde43d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood43d ago (Edited 43d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde43d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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FuRyu teases new game ‘Project Alice’ to be announced on April 25

FuRuy has opened a Twitter account called “Project Alice” teasing a new game announcement on April 25 at 20:30 JST.