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Microsoft 'Clearly Concerned' About Games Looking Better on PS3, says Analyst

Sony's Rob Dyer recently voiced his strong opinion that Microsoft is "protecting an inferior technology," and that's why the company's content submission and release policy appears to be so restrictive for developers and publishers. Analysts IndustryGamers spoke with aren't all that surprised by Microsoft's policy, and one did note to us that Microsoft is afraid of seeing games look better on PS3.

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fluffydelusions5384d ago (Edited 5384d ago )

Aren't analysts supposed to go by market trends and numbers? How does this analysis in anyway relate to that?

EDIT: Sorry only read the first paragraph before leaving a comment.

Shaman5384d ago (Edited 5384d ago )

And he obviously doesn't know what he is talking about...I mean,it would have make sense in 2009 with UC2 and KZ2 and 360 had nothing,but this year PS3 best looking exclusive came out at beginning of year(KZ3) and another one is coming at the end of year,UC3.But there are also amazing looking games,mutliplat and 360 exclusives.Battlefield 3,RAGE,Gears of War 3,Forza 4...

Ulf5384d ago (Edited 5384d ago )

BF3 and RAGE both look better on the PS3, according to the media, and frankly, according to my own eyes at PAX this year. The 360 version of RAGE was clearly lower rez than the PS3 version... that or someone smudged their greasy hands all over the 360 station's TV that I was standing next to.

This was PAX, so the greasy smudging is not out of the question. ;)

Shaman5384d ago

Well,according to developers both versions run at same resolution and are exactly the same,PS3 version is shown to media because its marketing deal as said by DICE.For RAGE,I dunno,we will have to see,but I seriously doubt PS3 is going to look better.

Hellsvacancy5384d ago (Edited 5384d ago )

^^^^And when are games ever "exactly" the same? all devs say that, they can hardly say "get teh 360 version, is the better one to get"

Wake up man!

LOGICWINS5384d ago (Edited 5384d ago )

"BF3 and RAGE both look better on the PS3, according to the media, and frankly, according to my own eyes at PAX this year."

But the question here is whether M$ cares or not. For the past 2 years, the 360 version of a COD game has been the best selling game of the year between the PS3/360.

Last time I checked, MW2 and BO are sub-HD games. Do you really think that Microsoft cares that much about visuals considering that the biggest moneymaker on the PS3/360 is a sub-HD game...that happens to sell more on the 360?

BrutallyBlunt5384d ago (Edited 5384d ago )

ULF said: "BF3 and RAGE both look better on the PS3, according to the media, and frankly, according to my own eyes at PAX this year. The 360 version of RAGE was clearly lower rez than the PS3 version... that or someone smudged their greasy hands all over the 360 station's TV that I was standing next to. "

The thing is to most consumers there really isn't that much of a difference. A high end PC can produce much higher resolutions with smoother gameplay. The differences in the XBOX and Playstation 3 are much more minor. This isn't like the Wii to the XBOX360.

The real benefit to the Playstation has and always will be the blu-ray storage capacity. However most games on the XBOX 360 can counter that easily enough by having multiple disks.

Ares905384d ago

@Pixel_Pusher
It's Starhawk!!

karl5384d ago

the difference between multiplat games.. are insignificant..

but as little as they are .. they are enought fuel the fanboys...

ps3 exclusives look far better than 360 games

and both rage and battlefield 3 .. look expectacular on PC .. not 360

360 and ps3 will look almost the game..

the edge the 360 has is insignificant

Pixel_Pusher5383d ago (Edited 5383d ago )

@Ares90

|It's Starhawk

ಠ▃ಠ

TreMillz5383d ago

Can't wait till next years exclusives man, Twisted Metal, Last Guardian, and the sequel to one of my favorite PS3 game, SpaceHawk....SPACEHAWK > ALL!

DaTruth5383d ago (Edited 5383d ago )

Damn... some of those screens almost look like real life!

I've mostly been hyped up for Dark Souls to the exclusion of everything else, but I'm suddenly real excited for UC3!

da_2pacalypse5383d ago

360 > ps3. this article is pretty funny though, this guy is a moron

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donniebaseball5384d ago

Huh? Clearly you didn't read the article. It's David Cole of DFC Intelligence, which is a very credible research firm that does market forecasts on a global scale for the games industry. This is DFC's site: http://www.dfcint.com

Ulf5384d ago

fluffydelusions says:
" I'd like to know how credible this analyst is since the article fails to mention his name."

From the article:
""In the case of the Xbox 360 it is an older system and clearly there are concerns about content looking better on the PS3," commented David Cole of DFC Intelligence."

Kinda seems like his name might be David Cole. You should read the article before making such inflammatory comments.

darthv725383d ago

by 1 year. It isnt like it is older by 5 or something like that. And to be honest, both ps3 and 360 use old tech by the time they get released. You have to figure both have a development cycle for them to get things figured out on the specs.

PS3 is just as old as the 360. Where the ps3 is better is in the dedicated development department. 360 will be king of the 3rd parties and ps3 will be to the 1st parties.

Sony developed their system to be taken advantage of by in house and really close companies. MS went the opposite. They made it to be taken advantage of by the 3rd party companies.

Yet in the end both are more alike than they are different.

lelo2play5384d ago (Edited 5384d ago )

Last generation it was the other way around... the Xbox was a much more powerful console then the PS2, and look what that got them.

Biggest5383d ago

Xbox's lack of success can not be compared to the PS3's current success. The PS3 is still on track to sell more than 100mil consoles. The Xbox sold. . . ?

gamingdroid5383d ago (Edited 5383d ago )

But if we look at it from last generation to this, the picture changes a lot.

The king is no longer the king, rank ha shifted for some and the biggest looser is the new king crowned by the people all over the world.

It's amazing how things change so far, a far cry from 6-7 years ago.

pixelsword5383d ago

@gamingdroid:

Not really; if Microsoft and Sony both wish to extend this gen, Sony will not only be on track to make 100 million, but Microsoft may actually be outpaced if this gen is extended.

EdwardS0875383d ago

The difference between the Xbox 1 and Ps2 was immense. The difference between the Ps3/360 hardware-wise is very minor. The 360 offers a online experience very well (it is indeed superior to PSN). I know many ps3 owners who get the Xbox version just for Xbox live.
Look at the exclusive round up, Gears 3 will outsell UC3--online play is a big part of that. However nearly ALL the huge hitters this fall are multi-plat. Skyrim, BF3, MW3 ect...Exclusives play a part in driving console sales; MS proves that you can out do the competition in other areas. Ms has excelled in the motion gaming department, online play, marketing ect.

kikizoo5383d ago (Edited 5383d ago )

Lol, the online is free, and almost the same (and sometime better : dedicated servers !), and graphics/.animation/sound/IA, distance, etc are not "minors" there is a real gap beetween uncharted 2, god of war, heavy rain, the user content of lbp, etc etc and xbox, only xfanboys try to downplay the reality (and in the same they are exagerating minor to none differences in multiplatforms, ignoring each time the ps3 is better)

by the way, it's incredible too see almost the same mentally disturb guys from 2006, in total denial, denying the reality, despite the fact that all devs are saying since 2006 that ps3 is more powerfull (almost the same gpu, but way more powerfull cpu, used for supercomputers !! and better ram) all players (not only the 600 $buyers) can see that best sony exclusives are not possible on xbox, so stop spreading crap to the world misinformed or just delusional fanboyz.

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kingdoms5383d ago (Edited 5383d ago )

Who ever said these things sound like they're spewing angry and desperate damage control.

"BF3 and Rage both look Better on PS3"

These games have never really been compared in public before and in one case no one has seen the 360 version at events. LOL Sony knows something they're frustrated about. Another Crysis 2 incedent would be devastating to PS3 and Sony's credibility

ULF is Full of Shiet

TheMyst5383d ago

Which is why he said according to the media that has actually seen both and according to his own personal experience (particularly with RAGE).

Venjense5383d ago (Edited 5383d ago )

Crysis 2 looked worse on 360 due to the grain glitch that was never fixed. I made the mistake of buying it on 360 because all the comparisons said it looked better but after the first raining level the game looks like a low quality video is streaming in the background, either that or like it suffers from a bad case of bad cable reception.

Crysis 2 graphics on 360 go from 9/10 to 5/10 half way through the SP - it made me wish I got the 8.5/10 all the way through PS3 version.

Boody-Bandit5383d ago (Edited 5383d ago )

Yeah kingdoms Sony is shitting in their pants because they barely have any support or exclusives to push their console.

They have been struggling bad the past couple years to supply their consumers with a plethora or games to play that you can only find on their hardware. Struggling even more so to provide new original IP's this generation to capture the minds of the gamers and media alike.

A system that requires everything to pass a certification process and fee, all perps to be proprietary and most of all hardware that it took them 5 years to work most of the kinks out because of abysmal failure rates.

I think they should be most embarrassed about charging their consumer base to pay to play online and show the industry milking gaming consumers dry with DLC is the future of gaming.

They spend billions of dollars on marketing their product instead of purchasing or building studios to give their consumers newer and better games to play all the while pushing a perp that isn't geared towards their core userbase.

I personally am sad for Sony to have fallen from grace so hard this generation. </insert the heaviest sarcasm ever put forth on this site here>

Seriously, how do you still have an active account?

On topic:
Microsoft is finally being exposed for shady business practices that most sane and rational people knew they were not only capable of, but suspecting them of doing all along. Yet most fans of their products cling too conspiracy theories from the opposition because the truth makes them feel dirty. Mean while back at the ranch, most of what people thought is in actuality reality.

MS is not good for the gaming industry. The only thing they have done right is XBL but they charge us for it. And this is coming from a person that games 70% - 360, 20% PS3 and 10% of the time on the PC.

I am just being brutally honest.

dabri55383d ago

@Brutallyhonest

One could argue that because of MS choices, Sony has been forced to step up their game to compete. Because MS has such a good service with XBL but charges, Sony has had to implement more features and keep it free to compete. I seriously doubt they PSN would be as good as it is now if it didn't have XBL to compete with. Same can be said with the hardware and how hard Sony has had to work with developers 1st, 2nd, and 3rd party, to understand and ease the development process of the system.

If not for other companies like Apple and Nintendo, Sony's NGP would probably be half the power and twice the price. Competition is good for everyone. No one should wish it away no matter what side they support.

Jumper095383d ago

u can watch the 360 version of rage at gametrailers... e3 2010...
The game looks nice on 360.

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SIX5383d ago

SPACEHAWK is going to be so epic!!!!!!

caperjim5383d ago

The lowest common denominator are consoles in general. Lets not forget PC is a platform also.

dabri55383d ago

Microsoft SHOULD be concerned. For everyone's benefit, they should try and make the most powerful system next gen. It will force Sony to try and top them thus creating great hardware for everyone no matter their preference.

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Godmars2905384d ago (Edited 5384d ago )

This actually just speaks poorly of Sony's choice to go with difficult system architecture. If it had been easier limitations would have been reached and expanded on, PS3 exclusives would have looked far better and MS would be green for other reasons than advertising choices.

Also more than likely devs who had "abandoned" the system wouldn't have.

lorianguy5384d ago

I'm not sure if its possible for PS3 exclusives to look better lol

gamingdroid5383d ago (Edited 5383d ago )

Sony's mistake is designing and imbalanced system, have poor tools (relatively speaking) and not supporting their developers early on.

MS sent out engineers to third parties to support them. In fact, MS had the forethought to keep their OS to a maximum of 32MB RAM. On the PS3, it was a massive 100MB that they now reduced to around 50MB. They didn't even leave enough RAM for cross game chat.

Heck interacting with Sony's backend API for PSN shows a way different picture than MS clean interface.

Sony is a great hardware company with a long heritage (I personally like their TVs and own a Sony Bravia), but software not so much....

pixelsword5383d ago (Edited 5383d ago )

@ godmars:

I kinda see your point, because with better dev tools, Factor 5 still wouldn't have the only 1080p/60fps game on the PS3 that's nearly all corridors; but the abandoning of devs was going to happen anyway after Nintendo went retro because most devs who jumped were Japanese and they see the 360 as an "american" console (which they both are actually and basically Chinese, if you follow me) and they wanted to get a bigger chunk of the american market.

Godmars2905383d ago

A lot of devs who jumped still weren't ready for next gen. Were making bargain bin PS2 games for $60. Otherwise MS would be dominating Japan. Wouldn't be all but pushed out now.

The PS3 hasn't done well up to know because of price and programming. But if the latter hadn't been an issue that MS tried to capitalize on, if the JP games we're starting to see now had been out sooner, people would have paid $600 gladly.

It was MS who told them that they could easily cash in on the Western market on their system when the PS brand already had a firm hold, and that's exactly what they tried to do. In the most lazy and uninspired manner possible.

units5384d ago (Edited 5384d ago )

dont you mean rage looks better on 360? anyway gears 3 and forza 4 will show what the 60 is capable of

Pixel_Enemy5384d ago

360 exclusives just don't compare to PS3 exclusives visually. Face it

palaeomerus5383d ago

PS3 exclusives are really nothing very special at all. Never have been. Fanboys just make a lot of noise about them like fools.

The Iron Sheik5383d ago

^^^Downplaying FTW!!!

They're not special according to you, a 360 fanboy. Big surprise.

bumnut5383d ago

Im a PC fan but have owned both 360 and PS3.

PS3 exclusives look much better than anything I have seen on 360, GOW3, Heavy Rain & Uncharted looked great.

Ulf5383d ago (Edited 5383d ago )

Nope. RAGE definitely looked better on the PS3 at PAX. It looked to be full 720p, whereas the 360 version looked to be 640p or so -- it had that smudgey CoD look, whereas the PS3 version was crystal clear. However, I did notice the occasional frame tear, when on the quadbike outdoors on the PS3, and I didn't notice it on the 360 -- that may imply a more steady framerate on the 360, which you'd expect, given a lower rez image. The texture streaming was better on the PS3 as well -- no pops, absolutely pristine. The 360 version just had the occasional pop-in, etc. It wasn't a big deal, but there was a diff.

Far from a technical analysis, but I feel pretty confident with the resolution observation -- it was that noticeable when you saw the games running side-by-side. I may be off on the actual numbers, but I'd be willing to wager that when the game comes out, the technical analysis will be pretty much what I said.

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TheMyst5383d ago

I love Gears and I even prefer Forza over GT this gen (not afraid to admit it) but even I will tell you that there's no way. Gears 3 looks just slightly updated from Gears 2 and Forza 4 just looks like a slightly updated Forza 3. That compared to PS3 powerhouses like KZ and UC, yea not even a comparison. Ps3 wins hands down.

_Aarix_5383d ago

Yea...no gears 3 had a huge graphical overhaul. The textures, lighing and the colors in general are breath taking. It being "slightly updated" is a complete lie.

2pacalypsenow5383d ago

nope im sure he said it looks better on ps3 and forza 4 are there any in-game pictures? and gears 3 looks really good but gears 1-2 look great too

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stonecold35384d ago

thats why im not impressed because the 360 is holding ps3 multiplats back and they have to keep both version equal

PCE5384d ago

rofl

The 360 does not hold the PS3 back. Don't blame another console just because your PS3 isn't unleashing the POWER OF TEH CELLZ on multiplats. The developers could easily give the 360 the short end of the stick if they want to but many times the PS3 has been getting it. Look at RDR for example.

lorianguy5384d ago

No, stone cold is right. Black ops for example was made for the 360. It was then ported over to the PS3, therefore only allowing it to run at the 360's power level, and not maximising the PS3's potential. However battlefield 3 is being developed individually for each platform, so PS3 will be pushed (and will show it's capability - also just look at Uncharted if you want to see a well-made graphically game), as will the 360 and most PCs.

dgonza405383d ago

FFXIII says hi.

They had to cut out parts of the game for it to fit on 360

>.<

baodeus5383d ago (Edited 5383d ago )

@dgonza40

yeah the cut out parts are now called FF13-2 with towns, exploration, npc interaction and cinematic battle sequences. Are you sure it was because of the 360 disc space issue or Square just want to make more money?

Remember, it even comes out before FF13vs, so you know the real reason why they have cut contents.

Previous FF games have been on multiple discs and they were fine, so why suddenly it was because of DVD that FF13 can't have world map,towns,npc interaction? Other games like Skyrim, Fable, RDR, Assassin Creed, etc...all look amazing and they ran on 1 discs so why can't FF13?

bozebo5383d ago (Edited 5383d ago )

GTA4 was limited by the DVD formet (it's open world so it can't be multiple disks) and Skyrim will be the same, as with the future GTA5.

DVD was fine last gen for huge environments because the texture storage and file sizes in general were a lot smaller but with the higher quality graphics which current gen hardware is capable of pumping out they are struggling to fit content on the disk. (if they gimp graphics to replace the space with actual content then less people will buy it because it won't be marketable in the current consumer climate)

A lot of games can be multiple disks without any problems, but it is often obvious that the disk limitation has caused design decisions that would otherwise not have been made; when a game is on multiple platforms - one of which has a vastly larger backing storage medium, there will be a platform which has not reached its potential.

That is what the 360's tiny last-gen DVD has done to the PS3 and PC. They can't even allow multiple disks to be installed to a contiguous data bank on the HDD because the installation on the 360 is simply a disk image emulation and not a proper software installation made by the developer like on the PS3 and PC.

Again though, it only matters for a small number of games - but the creative limitation may have messed up a lot of plans which developers may have had which have never seen the light of day because of that.

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lelo2play5384d ago (Edited 5384d ago )

I'm more concerned that the X360/PS3 are holding back multiplat games on the PC. It's about time to release new consoles. Developers are expecting it for some time. I wish some other company (cough ... cough ... Google, Apple, Sega...) would enter the console race, and make Microsoft/Sony move their as*es.

Just a side note: it would be funny to see a 1000€ Apple home console.

kreate5383d ago

console games are not really holding pc games back.
there's no policy to keep pc versions same as console versions like there is on the ps3 and xbox.

most console games are designed for consoles.

for example...

bf3 is best on pc. nothing really holding the pc version back.

or blizzard may bring starcraft or diablo to consoles. but there's no reason for them to downgrade the game just so that they can have it on consoles.

bozebo5383d ago

€1000 would be quite cheap for an Apple product if it actually had good hardware in it. More like €5000 but then it wouldn't sell to idiots unless it had a big list of bad touch screen games to not even take advantage of the hardware :/

If Apple ever entered the console industry, expect something like the Wii every gen.

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Demented_Sadist5383d ago (Edited 5383d ago )

So True And Assassin's Creed 2 also says hi. Ubisoft had to cut alot of content from AC 2. You see originally Florence was suppose to bigger and the entire city of Rome was suppose be in the game as well. Now the PS3 with its Blu-ray disc could've easily included all that, but again it wouldn't of fitted on a single 360 DVD9 so Ubisoft decided to not include it and cut all that content from all versions of the game. Assasins Creed 2 would've/could've been even bigger, but the Xbox 360 with its DVD9 got in the way.

Not too mention RAGE was suppose to have a free roam mode, it would've easily fit on the PS3 blu-ray but not the 360 DVD9, so ID decided to cut it from all versions of the game.

And That right there, both examples are one of just many instances/examples of the Xbox 360 holding back the PS3 and games in general.

GraySnake5383d ago

also didn't Alan Wake cut content? It was supposed to be free roam right?

If This is wrong just let me know.

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Titanz5384d ago

I wonder how they feel about the Wii U, then.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai35d ago (Edited 35d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio35d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing35d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9235d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit35d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing35d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9235d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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(For Southeast Asia) New Price Changes for PS5, PS5 Pro, and PlayStation Portal remote player

For Southeast Asia, new price changes.

Prices effective starting May 1st, 2026.

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BeHunted38d ago

Looks like PlayStation took a hit with Marathon and is now quietly adjusting prices worldwide to recover the losses

andy8537d ago

Lets be honest raising prices doesn't do that when no one's buying it. I imagine the profit it greater selling 10 times more at a lower price

Pergele37d ago

Whatever you say buddy, let's all wear the tinfoil hats.

IceKoldKilla37d ago (Edited 37d ago )

LMFAO Your comment alone says a lot more about you than anything else. When has one game not selling 10 million copies made a company raise the prices of their console? Then Xbox would be costing $5000 by now lol. You remind of the crazy drug addicts on the street rambling on about conspiracies. xD You sure you don't need a hug, buddy?

ChunkyMonk37d ago

One game that Sony payed $200 million for. lol
Also, you sure were quick to get triggered. Maybe your the one who needs a hug?

Eonjay37d ago

If nothing else, we should be united against the real issue here. AI and unnecessary tariffs that are effecting all gamers.

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Athlon10138d ago (Edited 38d ago )

The price increases are due to the RAM demand associated with AI and the US-Iran war. You can look to any business news website and local news to see that. Heck, even the 2026 Asus Zenbook Duo I've been eyeing has faced delays and has had a price increase of $400; that laptop has two specs. Asus is doing a staggered release with per-orders for the lower spec now and shipping in May and pre-orders for the higher spec that I'm eyeing starting in June. Basically, all computer manufactures are affected. It'll most likely start affecting smart phones too if it hasn't already. I can't remember the last time any major console maker (Nintendo, Sony, Sega, etc) increased the price of their console mid cycle outside of Microsoft just to make more profit.

S2Killinit37d ago

Its not the war. Its the RAM issue.

jznrpg37d ago

War is causing gas prices to rise. Transport of everything requires gas so the prices of those items go up as well. So it does have an impact

Athlon10137d ago (Edited 37d ago )

The blockage of the Straight of Hormuz due to the US-Iran war has affected raw components used in semi-conductor manufacturing such as bromine, aluminum, and helium. Iran had attacked the liquified natural gas (LNG) plant in Qatar which is a large producer (1/3 globally) of helium which is used in semiconductor etching. So it's the both the war and the RAM crises.

badz14937d ago

Oh no...should I get the Pro now before the price increase?

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay37d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn237d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers37d ago (Edited 37d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn237d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown37d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos37d ago (Edited 37d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay37d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay37d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac36d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger37d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300037d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde37d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood37d ago (Edited 37d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde37d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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