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Sony Respects Gamers

Geek Revolt writes "Requiring a constant Internet connection to play an offline game, and paying to unlock on disk content is disrespectful to gamers. These are dirty tactics by publishers—but what about the console manufactures? Well, there’s one thing that Nintendo and Microsoft do that shows a severe lack of respect to everyone that buys their consoles. That leaves Sony, here’s one thing they’ve done with the PS3, PSP, and PS Vita that shows they respect their customers."

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Abash5388d ago

Very true. Xenoblade is one of the few Wii games I actually want to play, but I can't because of region locking and Nintendo's unwillingness to bring it to NA

dark-hollow5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

What Sony faced this gen could make any company dumb the console thing and quit.
But not Sony.
Sure this gen wasn't the best for sony.
But even with all the doubts it's still my favorite console

WrAiTh Sp3cTr35388d ago

Wow, that first paragraph is enough to make me not have to click the link. Why bash other companies to make one look better? Especially when Sony waited forever to tell their customers that they won't be getting cross-game chat.

piroh5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

for me cross-game chat is useless
i want play games not chating

WrAiTh Sp3cTr3 they don't need your hit

SephirothX215388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

Cross game chat is very useful imo. Its not chatting for the sake of chatting. Its about organising a game session among a group of people who may not know each other but who all want to complete something together in a particular game. Seeing as these people might be playing different games at the time, cross game chat allows people to enter conversation instantly regardless of what they're doing or playing. Now if that isn't useful, what is?

Though the PS3 is my favourite console this gen and has been the best imo since 2009. The PS3 is a more open console than 360 and wii. That's why there is Steam integration and no region restriction. Then again, openness can have disadvantages such as more hacking online. CGC is the only thing that the PS3 is missing. Sure Xbox Live is a better online service than psn and I know that from being a gold member since 2005 but you have to pay to play online. Having said that, I would like if the PS3 had better online functionality for games. There are less lag and connection issues on Live.

ChrisW5388d ago

Cross-game chat is useless because you can't have it. If you could have it, you WOULD use it and therefore it wouldn't be useless.

AngryTypingGuy5387d ago

Cross game chat is very useful when deciding what game to play with a friend, or even if you just want to chat while playing your respective games. It's a shame that the PS3 won't have it. It Only Does Everything (except cross-game chat). In order to make the online experience of PSN equal to XBL, it need cross-game chat, plain and simple.

Region free gaming is a good thing. I have a German friend who often imports his games since the American versions often have better voice acting and are not censored in any way.

miDnIghtEr5387d ago

First cross game chat sucks for PS3 sheep. Then they hear rumors that it's coming to PSN, and all of a sudden excitement for cross game chat happens. Update after update for the PSN goes by, every single time, there's post of.. "Hopefully this is the update that brings cross game chat!".... it never comes.

Now the denial sets in... "I never wanted cross game chat. Cross game chat sucks! I want to play games! Not chat!"

So funny reading you SDF die hards comments. Cross chat is an awesome feature to have. Sorry PS3 does everything.. you know, get hacked, get your passwords and credit card numbers hacked... yet it can't even do what it's handheld sister is going to do, and that's have cross game chat.

You all are going to be loving and using cross game chat once PSVita comes out. THat's a guarantee.

Morpheuzpr5387d ago

I don't understand why people NEEDS to have psn the same as xbl why not accept that psn is different and take it as it is FREE online gaming. Keep in mind that on xbl if you don't pay you can only enjoy half of your game. A game you paid full price for.

When put in to perspective cgc is a small price to pay for online play for free. Besides you can always call your friends on the phone or use massages, open a chat room on psn or a million other alternatives on pc while playing on your ps3.

king dong5387d ago

"sony respects gamers"

and blogs4fanboys just lap this wrote-especially-for-n4g shit up. jesus ban this rubbish.

NiKK_4195387d ago

It's not that PS3 gamers wouldn't like cross game chat, or find it useless. It's that we would rather have lots of great games and no cross game chat rather than cross game chat and a few great games.

YogiBear5387d ago

If it was that big of a selling point I wouldn't have bought the PS3 five years ago.

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Hicken5388d ago

For Xenoblade, Pandora's Tower, and The Last Story (along with Fragile Dreams), I would have bought a Wii. If the Wii was region-free, I could have imported them. But I won't spend money on a console, have to modify that console, THEN have to import the games.

Gimme reasons to give you my money. Sony's done that. Microsoft WAS doing that- not so much now. Nintendo is not.

gamingdroid5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

I do like region free, but before you praise Sony, Blu-Ray standard is not region free. It's on the same system that Xbox 360 games are, namely optional for movie publishers.

HD-DVD was completely region free down to the specs. It simply wasn't possible to put a region on it and it also forced every HD DVD player to have a network capability.

Sony is also introducing Online Pass which is hardly gamer friendly. MS has yet to put Online Pass on a single MS published game.

So I would say they are all in the freaken same boat with different directions.

Now, should Sony be praised for region free games? Hell yeah! But don't mistake that for the entire company....

kane_13715388d ago

I believe gamepass, although a little sad, is the correct thing to do, If you are a PC-gamer you do know that it has been going on for a while in the industry, although Serial Numbers can be used on different systems, but the lack of it will screw you!
Game passes are just like that, they are there to stop theft, what Game and Game Stop are doing is theft at the bottom line.
So this is the way to let them do what they want, but to also make the profit out of it too.
If game retailers would share of the win they get from reselling this would not happen.

duplissi5388d ago

@kane
um no offence if i buy something and then choose to resell it i shouldnt have to pay the manufacturer a cut.....

there is nothing wrong with what gamestop does, now that doesnt mean it doesnt hurt publishers but it is a fact every other industry endures video games are no different.

Misterhbk5388d ago

@gamingdroid
you do realize that it wouldn't make any sense at all for microsoft to have an online pass considering they already charge you to play their games online monthly.

MrBeatdown5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

I'd say free online play to anyone who buys new is pretty gamer friendly.

Call me crazy, but it's hard to appreciate the fact that I don't need a code to get online in a MS published game, when I can't even get online without paying an additional fee to begin with.

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@gamingdroid (below)

Microsoft is not offering me extra. They are withholding basics to get me to pay for those additional features. If those "extras" really were worth the cost of Live, Micrsoft wouldn't need to bundle basic online play with it. If those extras really were worth the asking price, Microsoft would sell it as a PS+ type service. Limiting choice is not gamer friendly.

"While Online Passes is a leech, that is taking something that you had and essentially reselling it to you with reduced freedom."

Oddly enough, that applies to Live, but not online passes. XBox Live takes the online features built into the game I purchased, and locks them until I pay up. Online passes are given to me free of charge, so they aren't "reselling it" to me.

And it doesn't really matter if other industry's don't get a cut. Those industries aren't games. There's a fundamental difference in the products. There isn't a way for the music or movie or any other industry to do what the game industry can do. Just because they can't do what the game industry can, doesn't mean those industries wouldn't if they could.

gamingdroid5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

I do agree with you on Xbox Live fee, but that boat has long passed. That said, in being fair Xbox Live do offer more than just online gaming with frequent re-investments that other online services do not offer. I can understand some of the extra features don't appeal to you and therefore is not worth it, but they are offering you extra. It's a value add with the bad.

While Online Passes is a leech, that is taking something that you had and essentially reselling it to you with reduced freedom. It's not even a value add, but a value subtract!

At least respect me enough to give me a DLC with that reduced freedom.

The other thing I want to point out is there is no other industry that enjoys a cut from second hand sale. This is a way to get around the first sale doctrine and is BS.

Skateboard5388d ago

Region free games is a very big deal to me.

gamingdroid5388d ago

***Microsoft is not offering me extra. They are withholding basics to get me to pay for those additional features. If those "extras" really were worth the cost of Live, Micrsoft wouldn't need to bundle basic online play with it.***

As I said before, I don't contest that and agree that you have a reasonable argument. I strongly think that far fewer people would have paid for Live (in it's present form) if online play was removed from the offer.

***Online passes are given to me free of charge, so they aren't "reselling it" to me.***

Not entirely, if I want additional gamers to use my game (let's say a friend), they cannot get online unless I distribute my account with the token to them. That is reduced freedom and online access to game as you said, is basic.

***And it doesn't really matter if other industry's don't get a cut. Those industries aren't games. There's a fundamental difference in the products. There isn't a way for the music or movie or any other industry to do what the game industry can do. Just because they can't do what the game industry can, doesn't mean those industries wouldn't if they could.***

I'm sure they would attempt if other industry's could, but in other industries there is far more competition as well. Increased competition increases efficiency.

That said, the software companies operate exactly the same way games do and they don't go around charging me when I pass the license on to someone else.

The thing I don't understand is, why protect these companies that use blatant lies to convince you to give up more of your freedom?

MrBeatdown5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

@gamingdroid

"Not entirely, if I want additional gamers to use my game (let's say a friend), they cannot get online unless I distribute my account with the token to them. That is reduced freedom and online access to game as you said, is basic."

Honestly, I don't see this as a problem at all. If I can trust someone with my $60 video game, I can trust them with my account stored on their system. If I couldn't trust them with my account, I wouldn't trust them with my games.

And Sony's incredibly generous with DRM, so it goes a long way in alleviating the problem. Anyone on up to five PS3s can use your content, without using your account, as long as your password is saved on their system (and I believe the password is actually hidden, or required for things like purchases, so it's not a big security risk). My brother can use all of my content on his own account, any time. My PS+ content, Episodes from Liberty City, Red Dead DLC, Dead Nation, and most importantly, all of my online passes, can all be used by him, on his own PS3, at any time. Sure, maybe that doesn't solve the problem for absolutely everyone, but I'd wager the number of people bothered by it are few and far between.

And maybe software companies aren't charging you to transfer your license to someone else (and to be honest, I wasn't even aware that was something software companies commonly allow), but then again, I don't see several nationwide retail chains hawking used copies of Microsoft Office either, so maybe that explains why the software and games industries behave differently.

DragonKnight5388d ago

Wow gamingdroid, could you be anymore anti-Sony? Here's a positive article talking about how the Sony doesn't region lock this gen, and some positive comments from people focusing on that, and you have to be "that guy" that has to bring in whatever negative aspect of Sony's console as a whole to bring everything down. If you want, I can be "that guy" and bring down every aspect of the 360 and the PC? Your call.

Dee_915388d ago

lol u look at gamingdroids comments in the "microsoft unapologetic " article and look at the comments here
it is pure comedy

cooperdnizzle5388d ago

@Gamingdroid. No other industry gets a cut of second hand sales, this is true. But the game industry is the only one that really hurts from it. They only release the game to be sold. Movie's on the other hand release in theaters then on dvd! And then sometimes put on tv where the movie makes even more money! Same with music. They release a cd, then a dvd, then play the music on the radio, then play live shows! All which were they make much of there money. Games however only have store sales to depended on. They can't do live gigs release a game on tv or theaters! They have one shoot to make there money. So yes the game industry hurts with used sales, and has to take other per-cations to keep profit to fund these games. And in the long run it will only hurt us gamers!!!

And xbox live is horrible!! They charge you for what you should get for purchasing the console simple as that. If ya want all the other features then you can pay. But a simple free online plan should be in place. End of story.!

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Istanbull5388d ago

One of the reasons why I love Sony also is that they LOCALIZE the language of the game! Even Motorstorm and Resistance are translated to local European languages! Gran Turismo 5 too!

I have YET to see any 360 or Wii game that has local European languages in it!

Thank you Sony for respecting your customers, and people wonder why some of us are Sony fanboys!

TheDivine5388d ago

Lost Odyssey has at least 5 languages i believe. Just saying. I thinks its due to bluray having extra space for extra goodies athough they could just give free dlc for original languages or whatever.

Imalwaysright5388d ago

True. Im from Portugal and this is PS land. Its almost impossible to find a person that owns a 360 here and its because Sony bets on our market. Every single PS3 game published by Sony that i have is localized to portuguese.

subtenko5388d ago

This is another list of the many reasons why alot of us favor sony's consoles and games over the rest. While we play other platforms such as xbox and PC, we just really like Sony and what they do for the gaming industry.

Agree or Disagree if you Agree

Solid_Snake-5388d ago

got metal gear solid 4 import and guess what.......online play disabled due to region.

PS3 is only region free on most single player games. multiplayer is usually region locked.

badz1495388d ago

I imported my games all the time! I'm using AUS account, living in Malaysia and always import games from US, EU and JPN and all of them working no problem! I also download demos and betas from US account all the time and I play them on my AUS account with no problem.

BISHOP-BRASIL5388d ago

You couldn't be more wrong. Most multiplayer games that I know are completely region free, not just single player games. And as for Sony, PS3 simple don't have any region lock enabled, it only have a region tracking feature so if publishers want to region lock they can, it's their call, not Sony's. Your only region concern with a PS3 should be to download any content your game offer or require from it's matching region Store. So if you have a European console and bought a japanese game you have to download anything for it from the Japanese Store or it won't recognize the content as part of itself, despite it being playable in a European account.

And even through the option is there to lock, I don't see any publisher opting to do so. And if they don't lock the singleplayer, I don't see why would they lock the multiplayer, making the problem you claim to have all the more strange. But the whole Konami ID stuff was strange to start with.

Are you sure you didn't screw it in some way? Have you tried matching Konami ID region to the game and/or console? I'm asking because I have friends who bought it imported from Japan on release and we used to play along just fine, most of us living either in Brazil or USA and having consoles from both Japan and North America. My copy was a match to the region of my console (MGS4 from USA and console from Canada) but I used a Portuguese Konami ID (it wasn't available for Brazil) and I was playing it on a Brazillain PSN Account... So yes, I doubt it's region locked in anyway. But as it's not running under PSN, you should look at what Konami have to say, maybe they changed it after some time (I doubt it).

The only multiplayer problem I have faced because of region was the game locking me to it's region servers. I had this problem with the first Motorstorm which I have a japanese copy and my friends had american ones. The same is true for Demon's Souls, as some of my friends that bought a Japanese copy early couldn't play with me. But the multiplayer worked all the same.

I have European, Japanese and American games in my collection so I'm quite aware of this kind of problem. PS3 wasn't officially released in my region 'till last year, games started to come officially here some 6 months before that. So there wasn't any standard, you could find games and consoles of any region here... In fact you still can as imports are cheaper than the local product.

TacoTaru5388d ago

Is the PS3 dvd player functionality region locked? I know I had a PAL DVD of We're No Angels - old Humphrey Bogart movie - that the PS3 refused to play. It did, however, play just fine in the 360?

dragonyght5388d ago

It wasn't Sony it was koonami end they completely lock down MGO sever to the point you had to have different login id other than your PSN id to play it was an annoying process that's why the game never took off

BISHOP-BRASIL5388d ago

@TacoTaru

Yes, when we talk about region free on PS3, we only mean PS3 games. It's region locked for other medias.

This includes backward compatibility. Disc based PS1 and PS2 games have to match the console's region, since the disc themselves require it to riun. The PS1 classics at Store and PS2 HD remakes don't apply as they are software designed for PS3 already free of region.

For DVD and BD movies it's locked to only read disc of matching region. But so is 360 (unless if hacked). Some discs are multiple regions or, despite what says in the box, don't hold any region code. But in any of those cases the PS3 should read it too.

Assuming that your 360 isn't hacked and that your consoles are from your region and the DVD is an import, either your 360 is crazy or your PS3 is broken. LOL

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showtimefolks5388d ago

in 2006 every thing was all doom for sony/ps3. Each gaming site was bashing sony and some still are at a price of 600 bucks ps3 still sold in amazing numbers compare to consoles which was half its price.

than started coming the games it all started for me with MGS4 and since than it has been non stop exclusives.(We want GOW 1-2 in HD we got them we wanted ico/sotc we got them). Games like heavy rain and upcoming last guardian are huge risky games but sony takes some of the biggest risks and it usually pays off

PSN:

anyone who has been on psn since 2006 knows just how far along has psn come and its still free lag free gaming.

psn downtime:

sony made up for psn downtime in a huge way we all got free games and bunch of free content but some people still complained i guess its hard to please everyone.

I still believe by the time its all set and done ps4 will again be the last console out on market and ps3 will outsell wii,xbox360 in the long run.

SONY WAS THE KING OF GAMING THAN THEY WERE BROUGHT DOWN TO EARTH AND NOW THEY KNOW THAT CORE GAMERS CARE ABOUT THEM SO I KNOW THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF US BIG TIME UNLIKE KINECT FEST WITH XBOX360(WATCH THE LAST 2 E3'S AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT)

whether you like sony/ps brand or hate em this story and ride has been amazing fall to amazing rise again and its not over yet by a long shot

Nathaniel_Drake5388d ago

@wraith

It is not about the companies but us as gamers. Region lock only hurts us and if that makes them look bad good because then they might change it and it would benefit us? See how competition is good? And I would take exclusive games over cross game chat any day of the week

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SandWitch5388d ago

True, I love that Sony consoles are region-free and that you are able to play online for free too, unlike on XBL.

ger1015388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

You make it sound as if all Sony's consoles are region-free when, in reality, the PS3 and PSP are their only region-free consoles.

The PS1 and PS2 weren't region-free.

Edit: How could anyone disagree with facts? Or did Sony bring out some new region-free console that I wasn't aware of?

Honestly, the PSP & PS3 are region-free and the PS1 & PS2 are not. How can you disagree with that?

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Jihaad_cpt5388d ago

DK286K

Are you not aware that people were complaining about the price of the PS3 so they did the only thing they could to lower the cost

a_squirrel5388d ago

I'm just glad Sony at least learned from region locking.

Besides that, DVD has region locking on it, it was part of the problem. Still, DVD was the best thing out there at the time.

tarbis5388d ago

ger101:
Then get out of your cave. PSV is region free.

DaTruth5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

They didn't remove BC, my 60gig still has BC in it... unfortunately my 60gig is no longer functioning, but if I cared so much, I would have got it fixed instead of buying a Slim!

BC is under my bed right now collecting dust!

DragonKnight5388d ago

Dk286K: Butt hurt much? My 60GB original PS3 and it's ability to play my PS2 library say hi. You wanted BC, you should have paid for it. My guess is that you are/were one of the people whining about the price and then complained about how Sony was able to lower it. But I bet you don't have a problem spending $600 on a GPU right?

stvn_k265387d ago

of course de ps2 was region free!! I'm from Mexico and I bought a ps2 in Canada a few years ago. All my games run with out any problem!!

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dark-hollow5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

In all honesty, I think xbl deserve the subscription.

Global invites
Free demo for evey xbla game
Cross-game chat
Party chat
The ability to join in game-session without the need for an invite from your friends.

But psn is shaping up very nicely.

Stephmhishot: yes they are free and every sliver account could download them.

stephmhishot5388d ago

is a demo free if you're paying for the right to play it?

NoobSessions5388d ago

@Above
Access to demos of every single XBLA and indie game. Better?

I agree that XBL is better. I already have an Xbox, and recently got a PS3. What everyone says that PS3 and XBL online is the same is half true. The gaming online itself is pretty much the same, but everything else is definitely not. I'd prefer to pay $35/year for the entire experience that XBL has over free PSN.

Just my honest opinion.

Objective5388d ago

You don't need a gold membership to do demos, don't hate what you don't know about.

TheDivine5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

I also like that every 360 is backwards compatible. Its a big deal to me especially since xbox games still look darn good.

I wish sony had more demos and more psn features for the community. More stuff to make friends easier, tournaments, exc that kind of stuff. For bieng free its pretty good but even with plus xbl has more features. Sony has done good by me though considering their online was an afterthought.

Yea all demos are free on xbl (no membership required), psn you acually need ps plus for many demos so its the other way around. I have both.

scofios5388d ago

@dark-hollow

Stephmhishot: yes they are free and every sliver account could download them.

But a silver account can only download them after they been 2 weeks on the marketplace for the gold Subscribers.

nightmarex1215388d ago

@The Divine
WTF are you talking about you can get any demo free as well, psn plus is for betas, full game trials, and early demo access, like mortal kombat it came early on psn plus but free after 1 week on psn.

Their a lot ps3 feature that get easily overlook like sharing psn game and dlc, blue tooth compatibility, video editor & up loader and stuff like that.

kane_13715388d ago

although SONY is going for a win with the all above abilities plus some more on Vita for free (probably)
Although I wonder, why did SONY underestimate the challenge in the beginning.
Did they really think to big of themselves or they didn't think some things would be necessary?

fluffydelusions5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

@kane_1371 well you also have to remember that Sony is more about hw and less about sw which is basically the exact opposite of what MS is about.

OT, As an owner of both consoles I agree that XBL is the better service and the fall update will make it even better. PSN is still good though.

Tito085387d ago

@ TheDivine 360 isn't fully Backwards compatible, because I tried to play some games on it and they never played on it, for example, SNK vs Capcom:SVC Chaos!!!! PS3 isn't BC with PS2 games, at least it can play some PS1 games!!!!

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Rhythmattic5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

DLC is not always region free...

Otherwise I'd buy most of my online games much cheaper.

Unfortunately cheap games from the US dont support my region... NO PSN card advocates, please...

It just isnt as simple as I wish it was.

Peaceful_Jelly5388d ago

Is not like they are perfect because they have done some stuff wrong like the $600 PS3 and the removal of features through updates. But between the 3 brands Sony's the one that that learns from their mistakes the most fast and probably the only one that really listens to their fans.

On top of that their 1st party devs aren't just really good but their listen the the fans too. Just look at the online MP of UC3 and Sucker Punch with inFamous. Now if other companies like Capcom were more like them...

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ShinraE55388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

Sony doesn't "respect" their customers any more or less than MS or the big N do.

Sony manipulated the playstation faithful to shoot out a 600 dollar system which was more or less a trojan horse for BR, which they needed it to be successful. They have continually stripped features off of the system over the years (features with the OS and backwards compat), essentially downgrading since launch. They had a somewhat poor handling of the hack situation regarding intel to the fanbase and they didn't come out with the truth regarding why the PS3 couldn'd to party chat for years. Region locking (or not locking, in this case) doesn't make me belive they "respect" any consumer.

Note: I didn't list all of the reasons why I believe MS and the big N don't respect their consumers either (there are plenty, believe you me) as this article is about the Sony brand of gaming. If they did the same on Ms or N, I would post a similar comment.

Businesses only want your money, few to no companies actually "respect" anyone.

nightmarex1215388d ago

But at least they redeem their self and not like who give a fuck kind of altitude, they learn from their mistakes.

GamersRulz5388d ago

the time PS3 was $600, Xbox 360 was $500, and you know which one is better Value for the money especially when you look at early xbox models no wifi, no hdmi, no hard desk.
the PS3 had a BD, in 2006 BD player alone cost 700-400 dollars.

pricing PS3 @600 was LOGICAL at the time.

there is a point that everyone forget, PS3 is the reason Sony won the format war, and that more important to sony than selling a billion PS3 units.

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ShinraE55388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

I didn't forget that point, that is ONE of my points.

Sony wanted to win the format war. And you are right, it was more important to Sony.

Sony USED the playstation fanbase (which rightfully respected Sony after phenominal PS1 and PS2 generations) to sell an insanely priced system for the intent to win the format war.

That does not respect gamers at all.

Also, as mentioned above (by DK) the most expensive 360 model was 400.

Lastly, as mentioned, I am NOT in ANY WAY saying MS and N respect the consumer. Trying to bring them into it is pointless. This is an articile referring to Sony's respect for gamers, which is why i only focused on them

scofios5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

@DK286K

Yes 399$ + 50$ gold to play online + 100$ for wifi
+ 30$ for the rechargeable controller battery pack
.
399$
50$
100$
30$
= 579$
HD DVD not included in that price thats another 199$.

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madpuppy5388d ago

"They're nice extras, but they are by no means mandatory."

@DK286K, Neither are A/C, heat, a radio, power windows and locks and a rear defroster on a car but, who would want that featureless POS?

net1234565388d ago

@Gamersrulez

In 2006 the cheapest Bluray player was 1200 Dollar not 700 or 400.

Sony lost 300 Dollar per console at the time.

@shinrae5

Sony used PS 3 as Trojan horse but thats not all there is to it. They knew DVD was not enough in the future and as it turns out Bluray is benefical. Besides having a (good) Bluray Player in 06/07 was sweet. Actually this was the reason why I bought a PS3 and not the 360.

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tarbis5388d ago

scofios:
Please add the extra hdd too.

scofios5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

@tarbis

The 399$ Xbox came with a 20gig hdd .
it was 299$ core (the arcade) model that came without a hdd a 20 gig hdd at launch cost 99$ .

forevercloud30005388d ago

Point 1:PS3's $600 price at launch due to BD Trojan Horse?
A: Yes it was a trojan horse for the BD format but the system did also cater to what Sony believed to be great advancements for gaming. PS3 had the Cell tech as well as BluRay, both of which were before their time really. The system was also actually selling at about a 200 dollar loss at that price. 600 was actually a STEAL!

Point 2: Sony removing features such as the Other OS and Backwards Compatibility?
A: The Other OS was removed due to Piracy using it as a gate way to pirate games. It was also fairly not useful for most that bought PS3s for gaming. If You were using a PS3 to run a server or whatever you actually could just never update because any new features pertaining to games don't effect you. As for BC, if ppl didn't keep whining about the price tag it would still be there. BC was a love note from sony that was costing them about 65-80 bucks a unit.it was basically a PS2 Motherboard attached to the PS3 one.

Point 3:They didn't hanlde the PSN breach very well?
A: I think people just like to make this into a bigger spectacle than what it is. Why do you think schools do not announce there is a shooter in the school over the intercom? Because it causes histeria and panic, not to mention alerts the perpatrator that officials are on to him/her and might allow him ample time to get away. In effort of actually apprehending the hacker, Sony had to keep quiet until they knew exactly how/who/when/where it happened. They responded just right to the issue honestly.

So yes, Sony does care deeply about gamers but they are still a company after all. They have to stay in business so they have to charge for certain things or cut other things we might like, its all with much consideration for us tho.

GamersRulz5388d ago

+ bub for the best comment I have ever read.

net1234565388d ago

Lol If I had read further I wouldnt have written an answer because you already said everything.

stunkilla5388d ago

if ur going to get at party chat and saying sony couldnt do it for years then why cant XBL be free oh and wait sony been doing that for years.... trolling fanboy

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(For Southeast Asia) New Price Changes for PS5, PS5 Pro, and PlayStation Portal remote player

For Southeast Asia, new price changes.

Prices effective starting May 1st, 2026.

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BeHunted24d ago

Looks like PlayStation took a hit with Marathon and is now quietly adjusting prices worldwide to recover the losses

andy8524d ago

Lets be honest raising prices doesn't do that when no one's buying it. I imagine the profit it greater selling 10 times more at a lower price

Pergele24d ago

Whatever you say buddy, let's all wear the tinfoil hats.

IceKoldKilla24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

LMFAO Your comment alone says a lot more about you than anything else. When has one game not selling 10 million copies made a company raise the prices of their console? Then Xbox would be costing $5000 by now lol. You remind of the crazy drug addicts on the street rambling on about conspiracies. xD You sure you don't need a hug, buddy?

ChunkyMonk23d ago

One game that Sony payed $200 million for. lol
Also, you sure were quick to get triggered. Maybe your the one who needs a hug?

Eonjay23d ago

If nothing else, we should be united against the real issue here. AI and unnecessary tariffs that are effecting all gamers.

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Athlon10124d ago (Edited 24d ago )

The price increases are due to the RAM demand associated with AI and the US-Iran war. You can look to any business news website and local news to see that. Heck, even the 2026 Asus Zenbook Duo I've been eyeing has faced delays and has had a price increase of $400; that laptop has two specs. Asus is doing a staggered release with per-orders for the lower spec now and shipping in May and pre-orders for the higher spec that I'm eyeing starting in June. Basically, all computer manufactures are affected. It'll most likely start affecting smart phones too if it hasn't already. I can't remember the last time any major console maker (Nintendo, Sony, Sega, etc) increased the price of their console mid cycle outside of Microsoft just to make more profit.

S2Killinit23d ago

Its not the war. Its the RAM issue.

jznrpg23d ago

War is causing gas prices to rise. Transport of everything requires gas so the prices of those items go up as well. So it does have an impact

Athlon10123d ago (Edited 23d ago )

The blockage of the Straight of Hormuz due to the US-Iran war has affected raw components used in semi-conductor manufacturing such as bromine, aluminum, and helium. Iran had attacked the liquified natural gas (LNG) plant in Qatar which is a large producer (1/3 globally) of helium which is used in semiconductor etching. So it's the both the war and the RAM crises.

badz14924d ago

Oh no...should I get the Pro now before the price increase?

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Former Xbox Exec Says Developers Didn't Want a Sony Monopoly

Former Xbox executive Ed Fries comments on the early days of Xbox, the opinion of Japanese game companies, and more.

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Reaper22_37d ago

I dont think that'll ever happen. But i must say back in the day, they were definitely trying because they were more cash rich than their competitors.

CosmicTurtle37d ago

I think MS were and still are the richer company. They tried to acquire Sega back in the day (and considered doing so again more recently), they obviously bought exclusivity to Halo which was originally shown as a Mac title. I don’t think as a company MS can claim the moral high ground here. It’s a wilful lack of self awareness.

Of course Sony would try exactly the same if they had the resources, but when the PS2 dominated the industry was in a much healthier place with an abundance of great third parties.

This has been a depressing generation as far as first party decisions are concerned. The fact we are debating business plans rather than which game is better is a sad reflection of the state of things.

Darkseeker37d ago (Edited 37d ago )

There was Nintendo as well, Sony wouldn't have had a monopoly. In fact, the world would be better today if Xbox never existed in the first place. They pretty much brought all bad practices we have today. We might have gotten all of it either way, but not this early. In term of franchises, I don't think there is anything Microsoft released that would actually be missed if it didn't exist. Even Halo the world wouldn't notice if Halo didn't exist.

S2Killinit37d ago

MS was definitely a bad influence on gaming.

raWfodog37d ago

I think almost everyone will agree that a monopoly is not good for the industry. But that being said, the competition needs to be smart and strategic with their business. Simply buying up publishers and traditional third-party studios just to keep them out of the other companies reach is not a sustainable practice. That goes for all parties so don't think I'm just referring to Xbox.

I'm no business guru by any stretch of the imagination but I firmly believe that the best way to drive consumers to your software and hardware is to invest smart in your first-party studios. Give them full support and guidance in making unique, fun games that are only available to play in your ecosystem and the gamers will come.

Reaper22_37d ago (Edited 37d ago )

But first party studios aren't enough. They only make up a small portion of the industry. Without 3rd party there would be no industry for Microsoft or sony.Developing games take time and money and sometimes you gotta make moves to stay competitive.

raWfodog37d ago

Nah, I never said first-party was enough. I said it’s the ‘best way’ to drive gamers to your platform. 3rd-party is a free-for-all and there’s no guarantee that gamers will use your hardware to play the game. If you want to push your own software and/or hardware you need first-party, or at least exclusive deals with third-party studios.

SimpleDad37d ago

They Shure did a great job... 25 years later Xbox is dead.

Reaper22_37d ago

Then why be so emotional and continue to talk about it. Xbox will never die be ause it stays in so many people's head.

lodossrage37d ago

How can you even see him being "emotional" in that comment?

If anything, you're the emotional one, constantly trying to go at anyone that says anything against Microsoft. So when you call him emotional, it comes off as deflection

Elda37d ago

I own an XBSX & I can say it's becoming irrelevant out of the 3 current consoles.

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Sony Shows Off 20 Minutes of Crimson Desert on a Base PS5

Sony uploaded gameplay footage of Crimson Desert on a base PS5 running in what appears to be Quality Mode at a stable 30fps at 4K.

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BlazedKong63d ago

looks god awful on the base systems