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Rage: PS3 Version Uses 'Every Core', No 'Nasty Texture Pop-Up'

NowGamer: id Software's Tim Willits gets technical with Rage on PS3.

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Shanks5389d ago

I wish I had the option to fully install RAGE on my PS3. I know there's a big mendatory install but full installation = best performance and minimum loading times.

TimmyShire5389d ago

Always the case, I agree though - I upgraded my HDD, I might as well use it to slow the disc read time down!

meetajhu5389d ago (Edited 5389d ago )

You can request the feature to sir John Carmack right here

https://twitter.com/#!/id_a...

Emilio_Estevez5389d ago

No you can't, Sony would have to implement such a feature. Carmack has nothing to do with that. You were just looking to drop his twitter handle anyways, hun? ;P

DtotheRoc5389d ago Show
nveenio5389d ago

False. Sony just requires the disc be in. It doesn't require a minimum number of game resources be read from the disc. That's entirely up to the developer (unless Sony limits the maximum amount of data a HDD install can use).

zeddy5389d ago

i bet they'd do it for naughtydog if they asked nicely, also didnt sont give guerilla or naughtydog that extra core for more performance?

clarkdef5388d ago

Hey don't call him sir. don't kiss ass. He's just a programmer.

pixelsword5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

@ Stabwounds:

Na-uh; Unreal Torunament III has the option to both partially and fully install on the PS3, so either the option is already there or Sony wouldn't mind at all.

Blaine5388d ago

@ people disagreeing with DrStabwounds:

Carmack said in his keynote that he's asked Sony to allow Id more install space. Don't know why Sony should decide how much space a game can install to *my* HDD, especially when we can upgrade them, though.

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jimmins5389d ago

I agree. They have that option on Xbox 360, so why not on PS3?

nycredude5389d ago

Probably cause it runs just as good with just an 8gb install as the whole 20 gb install on the xbox. Why install more when you don't need it? Stupid if you ask me.

Foxgod5388d ago

Xbox games usually install the whole game onto the hd.
While ps3 installs are only a portion that is used for caching.

RedDead5388d ago

nycredude, most of the time the mandatory install is to keep the game up to scratch with the 360 version. The 360 Install is an option but Vastly improved what you'd expect it to improve

Ranshak5389d ago (Edited 5389d ago )

Thats what i was wondering, Cell has 1 core and 7 SPEs. Cant see how people blindly disagree with facts.

Petro5389d ago

People hate jokes. :P

DJMarty5389d ago

@Arnon - Both PPE & SPE's are cores. Reason SPE's have ther own kernal/ram etc.

rjdofu5389d ago

@Ranshak: disagree fairies are everywhere, don't u know that? LOL

Arnon5389d ago (Edited 5389d ago )

I was aware from my understanding though, that the SPE's were unable to function without commands from the PPE, meaning that they're unable to perform independent tasks that a regular core could accomplish, correct?

RedDragan5389d ago

Sort of, but that is how all multi-core processors work when you dig deep enough to see how they function. Technically you are correct, but it applies to all processors which more than one core.

There is always a controller or the processor would mess things up by the cores fighting for processes.

Even the dual-Xeon servers work this way. Although two processors, each with multi-core tech... they still need to talk to a controller on the processor to be instructed which processor will do the task and then that controller will tell the processor which core will run it.

Big_Dom5389d ago

Exactly. I see you've as many disagrees as agrees. This site is polluted with so many fan boys who literally have zero clue. I suppose they all still think that 7 SPE's equal cores, and that more cores = a better CPU, which is an absolute nonsense.

BrianG5389d ago

I'm sure they meant the PPE and all 7 SPE's, unless we are to assume the main core in the Cell is stronger than the 3 core CPU in the 360?

But of course we don't, because that would be wrong, which is why it is blatantly obvious that when using the word "core" they are referring to the PPE and SPE's.

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Dante1125389d ago

I'm cool with the mandatory install. Glad I don't have to switch between 3 discs though. Just one disc for me.

_Aarix_5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

Your glad you dont hath to switch discs and i'm glad i dont hath to waste time installing it to the hdd. Everybodys happy :)

zeddy5389d ago

this is just damage limitation for what carmack said about about how the 360 version would be superior. carmack obviously doesnt like the ps3's hardware and he really doesnt hide it.

AKS5389d ago

He called the PS3 the second best console ever made and said he prefers the 360 because of the development tools. He's stated that the PS3 is a bit more powerful with optimization. Having a preference for the 360 doesn't mean he automatically "hates" the PS3.

Persistantthug5388d ago

He does an interview stating he doesn't want to see the Cell Arch again next gen.

Little does he know, that that's EXACTLY what Sony's going to deliver for the PS4 because for all intents and purposes, they are locked into it because they are so heavily invested in the PSN.

So Carmack better start learning the Cell Arch. better than he does now.

And before anyone jumps on me, keep in mind, id had to hire PS3 devs and likely had to lean on them for the PS3 specific programming.

AKS5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

@Persistantthug

The Cell architecture itself isn't what makes it difficult to use. The main issue was the small amount of memory made available to each component. That could be addressed in a future version of the Cell should they decide to use that architecture again. They need to provide a big chunk of memory if they want to improve things and make it easier to use for developers.

There's also the issue of the architecture being relatively new. Of course there were few development tools available when they started using the Cell architecture because it was brand new. They couldn't really apply previously existing tools to something that's brand new. This is still somewhat of an issue, but it's much less of an issue now than it was in 2006.

BABY-JEDI5388d ago

Carmack might not like the PS3 architecture, but you can be sure that he wants your money.

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subtenko5388d ago

I rather have nice textures than nasty textures. I'll be picking this up for the ps3.

Agree or Disagree if you Agree

WetN00dle695388d ago

Then you should be picking up the PC version.

hiredhelp5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

Most devs use the cell processor with whats powering it.
Just the case of how much time that devs wants to put into it and making the best from the cell broadband thats why youll find the likes of naughtydog gurilla games, even santamonica god of war. take every advantage of this wonderfull chip because they are there for 1 platform.
i dont beleave carmack and his devs. had the time like a first party studio. people talk about carmack like hes a god. but understand this he maybe good at what he does. but there are other devs just as good and started way back the the day just like him.
If you listened to his speach like i did end of the day he liked that sony sent him a SDK development kit witch helped him and his work out alot. were as sony's tech was very differnt i suspect gave him and his workers more of a headache. but i think thats good cos maybe they have learnt alot from working with the ps3 now.

or maybe im just talking from my ass.! you decide

lil Titan5388d ago

Id needs to make this engine available to every 3rd party developer out there. unreal engine needs to die a quick death.

likedamaster5388d ago

If Uncharted 2 has pop-in, Rage will have pop-in. It's just minimized.

showtimefolks5388d ago

that would allow us to install full games. Other than that now we will get another article by xbox360 community on how rage is still better on their system in the end of the day

ps3 and xbox360 version will look the same the only difference being one is on one disk other on 3 which isn't a big thing since changing a disk every 8hrs or so shouldn't be an issue for anyone

I just wish that people stop caring about such minor things and just enjoy the game

rage was built to use each system to its max and its showing that

madjedi5388d ago (Edited 5388d ago )

Sorry but unless they can prove a significant load time ect decrease, installing the full game is a waste of space for ps3's, unless your worried about the optical drive wearing down.

I would be more worried about one of the discs, breaking, getting scratched up or disappearing than changing a disc every 8-10 hrs.

Now if multiple disc doesn't bother 360 owners(like you guys have a choice) good for you, however that doesn't change the fact that it's a tedious leftover from last gen or before, that should have been discarded already.

When you need 3-4 discs for a game due to space limitations, it's well past time for a new format to be used.

But ms may have already released it's next console by now, if the economy didn't go south like it did.

"rage was built to use each system to its max and its showing that"

I seriously doubt any multplatform game will likely ever use a system to the max like uncharted ect has done. Because the engine has to take the other consoles limitations into account, instead of fully utilizing one consoles strengths and none of the others weaknesses.

But sorry this is n4g, if your not praising multplatform games and downplaying exclusives, the gaming masses will disagree with you.

Better than the idiots(blogs and n4g posters) pushing smartphones and tablets as the next huge thing for gaming. -_- I am never going to spend $300-500 every year to upgrade to a slightly better phone. I'll never understand how a $500 console or $800 tv is too expensive, but 300-500+ phone or ipad is reasonable to people.

showtimefolks5388d ago

i am also getting on ps3 i was just trying to make a point that its not that big of a deal. Yeh but given the option i will always go with one disk.

and you are right no game will take advantage of a console like 1st party exclusives

novcze5388d ago

what is faster, loading just from HDD or loading from HDD and blu-ray simultaneously? ehh... :)

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TimmyShire5389d ago

If anyone was going to make use of the SPEs of the PS3 cell chip it's going to be John Carmack.

THC CELL5389d ago

erm Nd used em for uncharted 2.

FlintGREY5389d ago

Not for a multiplat he won't....

skyward5389d ago

Full install FTW. Might have to pick this up on PS3 if what Carmack said about texture pop-in at QuakeCon is true...

Dante1125389d ago

I'm getting it for the PS3. I don't have enough space on my X360 (21-22 GBs) and I really dont wanna have to switch between multiple discs in a somewhat open world game.

Feckles5389d ago (Edited 5389d ago )

Don't care how good this game looks, the AI looks like it's going to be awful. Enemies doing forward rolls to avoid attacks? What is this? 1997? LOL!

xPhearR3dx5389d ago

That's one type of enemy, the AI is actually really good from what I've played of the game.

Eiffel5389d ago (Edited 5389d ago )

You do know each type of AI in RAGE has it's own unique form of combat right?

MOTY5389d ago

When defending, you should always be attacking.

Forward roll allows you to dodge incoming attacks while quickly closing the gap between you and the enemy having to force your enemy to change his style of attack quickly thus causing your enemy to possibly make a mistake and open himself up for a counter attack.

Art of war 101.

Fez5389d ago (Edited 5389d ago )

MOTY is captain of the Armchair Army, 5th Battalion. After having served 3 tours of duty in his mother's basement he is one of the most experienced and fierce combatants alive today.

MOTY5389d ago

It was 4 tours of duty and was in the attic.

:)

YoungKiller255389d ago

Did someone say Call of Duty?

iagainsti1205388d ago

@Fez that was awesome i laughed pretty hard. Bubs+

_Aarix_5388d ago

Unless they shoot low and kill you while your rolling...:p

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DtotheRoc5389d ago

dude i think the game will be great but i coudnt' help but compare those rolls to the stupid ones from Goldeneye on n64 lol hence why you said "1997" yes? ahah nice dude.

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