PS3 is one of my favorite consoles I've ever owned and if you have one with backwards compatibility it may be the best.

I think it's #1, but to each his own!

As an analogy, would this be like working with Unreal engine compared to most of the others? Hell, Unreal Editors up to the latest are easier to use than 3DSMax or Blender, yet it's not the best engine out there, just the easiest to use.

I think the PS3 is the closest the console gamers will get to a PC (below budget), but due to the way the cells work, everyone is having problems coding for it. I never dreamed that would ever be the case. I've known that parallel coding was dead since the 90s and had to come back for modern programs, but it seems the software industry can't parallel code for multiple CPUs, let alone multi-threading or cells.

You heard it from the man himself folks.

SO much for them looking the same across all platforms...

Just make sure the game kicks ass, whatever console it's on.

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...but that won't stop anyone from taking this guys word for it.

I suppose that's true for some people...if you can look past the tendency for the 360 to croak.

I always leave mine running for 5 minutes at the dashboard so the fans can cool down the components. I do the same with my PS3 if it's been on for several hours, though flicking the PS3 off in a hurry is far less of a worry.

I'm glad I have both PS3 and 360, however calling a console which has one of the worst failure rates in the history of technology "the best" is utterly crazy.
Of course, this could all be fabricated or misquoted.

I think Carmack is also being a little patriotic here. Weve always known the 360 is overall the better console when it comes to dev tools. This won't change in the future.

He said this months ago.. If people are going to make flame articles twisting this man's words, they should be more original.

What is funny is, what I got from the article was that the PS3 is second best because it's harder to develop on or the dev tools aren't that good which is something I can't/won't understand for obvious reasons. I don't develop games (for those that don't know).

The Author of the article is a [insert word here]. He posted this article to start a flame bait discussion to get hits.

John Carmack is [insert word here]. He did have a great follow up comment but it's not a real reason on why he would call it second best. He could have said that they are both on par but with their own limitations or not commented at all.

Just put your game out and STFU, Carmack.

It's undeniable the differences in ease of development between 360 and hurdles with the PS3. I think it's a testament to all 360/PS3 devs that can make their games look as good as they do. Rage included. It should be expected a software company has better debugging tools, but at the same time, if Sony's going to be in this biz, step it up in terms of dev help. By the sounds of it Vita looks to bridge that gap, but we'll always read things like this regarding the PS3. If they keep the same mindset as they appear to have with Vita, PS3 can finish strong and PS4 could dominate. Nintendo's fumble with the 3DS is a huge opportunity for Sony.

The title and the article don't go well together, not surprising... But to humor the title, the Ps2 was my favorite console because I had the best gaming experiences on it, but I'm sure that if I gave more attention to gaming this gen the PS3 would take the cake. Free online gaming, an amazing library of games, Home, and just add in the extra tidbits of good stuff and the PS3 is one hell of an awesome console. Call me a fanboy if you want, but I think the PS3 is easily the best console this gen for 4 reasons: Reliability, Games, Features, and good ol quality.

now thats funny. Carmack...black listed!!!

Someone gunna be mad...

anyone who really wants to see this game shine should get the pc version. the difference between the two consoles will be negligible. the difference between the pc and consoles will be astronomical.

but as far as bare bones, what console is better, from a gamers perspective, ps3 all the way!!

Bluray
free online
more exclusives
best console graphics all found on the ps3, nothing on 360 compares to god of war 3, uncharted 2, or killzone 2, maybe Castlevania Lord of Shadow, but, that's also on ps3!

If I had to choose today which console I would but it would be the ps3 for the above reasons, luckily I have both and a bad ass gaming rig, I do not like to miss out on good games!

Oh no, heaven forbid someone like the 360 a TAD bit more.

Thats because Xbox did something SONY was too arrogant to do with their "special processor" ideas

MS sat with Devs, SONY got cocky and said you'll use whatever we give you or the famous "next gen starts when we say it does"

SONY lost their way, PS1 my fav system of all time, they looked at Nintendo and said your too kiddo and cartridge like they looked at Sega and said your system is way to complicated

They sat with Devs during the PS1 Cycle back when SONY had real roots, made CD format the way and said our system is way easy to dev for and loaded up on software and hardware sales.

Then about half way through the PS2 I noticed a change in their attitude, they didnt adopt online fast enough and they just thought they owned the market and competition didnt matter

The game has changed - you no longer own 65% of the market, you now have been defeated in one major territory the NA market. The Good news is I think come PS4, SONY gets it now, online is number 1 working with devs and having an easier system to develop for IS very important. I would love to see them get back to the roots of what they do best, I would pick them, but they lost their way on the PS3, arrogance, priced themself out of market out of the gate, and Ken Kuta whatever, shut your mouth and talk to Devs before you go all nerdy scientist with your ideas next time

Some argue yea but world wide, blah, I live in the US, I could care less about what happens in areas that dont effect me on top of that, I recall people laughing saying MS and Nintendo during the PS2 days at that point would never stand a chance again, what are they to say now, Nintendo will end in 1st and MS took NA, never would have thought in a million and no one else did for that matter it seems

I never knew that this topic will be a big deal for a gamers... Every software engineer or game developers has their favorite gaming console...

It's their own opinion, it's not different from "HIDEO KOJIMA being a ps3 fanboy or TETSUYA NOMURA being also a ps3 fanboy"

And some (not all) of the ubisoft software engineer prefers PS3 for their Assassin's creed demo..

xbox 360 is a good console,the bad thing about it is microsoft.

What I got from his comment was that the 360 is the better system, to develop for. But the PS3 is the stronger one, and generally the one that is better for gamers, between ps3 and 360.

Carmack is an icon so he simply shouldn't blab stuff like that.

i mean there were better consoles, revolutionary ones to tell the truth like the PS1 who pushed 3d games and the Dreamcast with internet connection and a bunch of the best games ever made that's why i think he measure it by horsepower rather than what it did to the gaming industry, the 360 is one of most powerful consoles to date that's why he thinks it's the best ever made to date, if a new console was released before i believe that he would say the same thing, not to mention that i believe he prefers the 360 for it's similarities with the PC and a great online serves.

so in conclusion, Carmack should've been more diplomatic cuz he's one of the icons of this industry and he shouldn't just say stuff like that cuz people will take it the wrong way, its a different time than the time where you say stuff like that is normal.

if u dont hav a xbox 360 then ur missing on alot, if u dont hav a ps3 ur also misssing on alot! xbox 360 is one of da BEST GAME CONSOLES EVER MADE (trust me, i hav a 20gb one, but it doesn't work any more), and ps3 is also of da best GAME CONSOLES EVER MADE! i think xbox is awesome, but ps3 is better!

To me the 360 surpassed my personal favorite, the snes, when I got mine and could utilize custom soundtracks. It was a mind blower to me then, and it's virtually the only system I haven't traded in (granted, I've traded UP).

Owned.

Yeah yeah yeah, take his word for what it's worth.

The end product is all that matters.

John, one of the most influential developers in the world, talks with the interviewer for like 20 minutes and all what he got out of him is this? and he hoped from him to mention the dreamcast?

Dude, John Carmack invents technologies and improves them. He is not a fanboy to a hardware and he is not one of those developers who uses other's engines to create games.

Look at all the little kiddies that dont have a clue what they are talking about and speaking out there ass. People get so uptight and whine like little girls when someone dont like there particular system and spout whatever they can think of even if it doesnt make any sense. The ones talking all the nonsense if it was the other way around they would be like "Oh he sure knows his stuff" or "Hes a god" you guys need to grow the f*ck up. There are much more things in life to worry about than whether someone likes your system of choice. You should see how childish you look scurrying to try to convince everyone otherwise lol poor souls.

looks like Carmack got out of his basement these days /s

Carmack is Legend.

I knew the 360 was gonna be his 1st once I saw the title. I guess from a developers stand point it can go ether way, little more power or easier to code for determine the better system for your game. Also, he said "made", not just "best console ever" which I think let him dodge some bullets, as 360 being the "best console ever" would certainly cause an outRAGE given everything we've seen/played up until now

John Carmack loves 360/pc, Likes ps3. The idea that Doom 4 won't fit on a blueray is technically silly, We probably won't even be buying games on disc in the future lol

I love Uncharted as much as the next guy but as a console with great Dev support, superior online and an extremely big finance wallet behind the MS has boosted the Xbox to number 1 without a doubt. The advantage being they have the worlds top programmers and their core market (Home PC OS and Graphic Technology - Direct X) means they have an advantage over Sony and Nintendo. I am very happy with both purchases and enjoyed Uncharted 1 & 2 but I have only played through it once. I think Bioshock or Dead Space is better than any first party titles on either machine and the fact that MS made a profit very early meant they did not hemorrhage profit like Sony did. I have played MK much more than any other game of late and its the first title that I purchased the DLC for as I am hooked. If Xbox is his number one it is because of the superior dev tools MS give to 3rd parties. When Sony start making PC OS or step into MS main market they will gain a similar advantage, until then (Never) MS will always have a clear advantage over the competition. One they will use to their advantage like any other company would. BTW Sony, I binned move, what a WASTE!

STFU Carmack!
your name sounds like a classic game called as Carmageddon! carmagotohell!! nerd

He knows his stuff.

PS1 is the best console ever made (my opinion) but with games like:

Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, FFVII, FFVIII, FFIX, Resident Evil 1,2 and 3, Silent Hill, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, Metal Gear Solid, Tekken 3, Gran Turismo 2, Twisted Metal 1 and 2, Bushido Blade, Suikoden and a whole bunch of great RPG's it's not hard to be the best :P

But the PS3 is probably my 3rd or fourth favourite console.

The truth always comes out in the end so soon we will all know whats true & not true!

Clicked on the link simply because I didn't know who that guy is.

Now I know.

the end.

PS3 is the #1 console this gen but not the 2nd best ever made. PS2 is 1st, PS1 is 2nd, and PS3 is 3rd.

360 Best console? He is kidding right?

who cares if xbox is his favourite? playstation has way more fans anyway, ps1,2 and 3 alltogether, so far have sold around 300 million units of hardware worldwide. xbox and xbox 360.... 75 million.

I think the idea of 'best console ever made' is subjective.

If you are talking about power or potential then for me, and this is just my opinion, the PS3 seems to have more to offer here.

If you are talking about the best console ever made then I think there are many more factors to consider that raw power.

I have owned every console and most gaming computers over the last 30 years and to say which was best really is a tall order.

I know that the most fun I have ever had was with my Commodore Amiga, but could I really put this above the PlayStation1 or 2? I just don't know, I have loved all of these formats.

I think on the basis of the amount of amazing games I personally would plump for the PS2, but will always have a soft spot for my SuperNES and most of all, my Amiga.

The PS3's dev tools are known to be very bad. I know from a friend that DICE actually used the 360 dev tools to make the PS3 version of Bad Company 2. So it's not just Carmack.

Its crazy how many "uninteligent" people are here. He is a dev and from his standpoint, its best thing happend (to him) in console devices. This really isn't about exlusives, online services, etc... I don't know about you, but I am gamer, not a software enginner. So I really don't care. I just respect Carmack, because he is kind of legend.

I would trust a person who makes games for a living before any of you keyboard warriors.

As somewhat a programmer myself, It wouldn't surprise me if X360 has better developer tools than PlayStation. Microsoft seems to know what they are doing with windows developer tools. Visual studio IDE for example is most likely the best IDE I have used (haven't used that many tough).

Xbox was made to compete with Sony to get people to go back to the games using Direct X. Thus X (direct x) box was born. With that being said MS wanted games to work cross platform with PC so people still used Games for Windows and purchased Windows PC, is a big business tactic that worked really well. And thus Xbox is "easier to develop for" because nothing is foreign and everything is common.

Meanwhile Sony can't put out a similar product and needs to change things up a bit, which they did. And like Carmack stated, when you know how to use it the PS3 is a beast and does wonders. However its the simple fact that its "foreign" to developers that makes things so hard. That's why PS4 probably won't change much, Sony doesn't need to. They just need to add more power under the hood and keep things "similar" to what they have now. Thus less developers will feel uncomfortable with it, and more will jump on board early on and push the limits faster. They already showed this through PS Vita, a system that isn't too complex and easy to grasp for the developers.

However calling one of todays current consoles the best console ever made is a huge stretch, so much so that I don't think you should go there. It was more a choice of words in my opinion, and like stated several times, its ALWAYS taken out of context to get hits.

Most devs say the same thing as Carmack. That even though the PS3 is more powerful than the 360. Pardon my expression " its a bitch to code for". So in the end both consoles are about the same. What matters the most to me are the games. And to me thats the area where the PS3 has the 360 beat. However when talking about the social aspect of online play XBOXlive is better than PSN.

i'm not sure if carmack talks shit or not.. because ive seen alot of rage demo footage and it looks quite away off uncharted 2 and killzone 2 in the graphics department..

If it runs smoother in a couple of spots on the ps3, that leaves many more spots that they would run as equals or would favor the 360.

wow I feel more and more embarrassed to be a N4G member after reading comments on this site. I think I'm 15 years too old to understand why the children are all arguing

PS2 is the best console ever made.

We all know the 360 is essayer to develop for but I'd say its an over statement to say its the best, just because the 360 is essayer shouldn't take away from the fact that taking full advantage of the PS3 has hardly been done and when it has the games look and play great! Just look at MGS-4.

Really the console that's easiest to design games on doesn't mean the console is "the best", so why would he say such a thing?

The best console is gonna be irrelevant when atoms replace polygons. That's when graphics and gameplay are gonna go outta control and every game is just gonna look great.

The memory on the PS3 is gimped. People have said this for 5 years. It's split in two whereas Xbox is got double effectively since it is not split. Doesn't have much to do with the SPUs of the Cell VS the Xbox it's just that the memory for loading models / texture is split in two on the PS3. The other big complaint about PS3 is the latency of the blu-ray disk.

Xbox box biggest problems were the circle scratch, RROD and maybe the Kinnect latency if you want to be picky. You could criticize Xbox as all the games looking too similar too since everyone uses Unreal engine.

Carmack is a genius he is not saying anything that hasn't already been said already.

I wonder how many people wont buy the game now out of disgust for what's been said. With the line "wasn't going to buy this shit anyway" of course

PS3 has a little more power but so what when games for both these machines looks bloody brilliant

360 is the best console to develop for. PS3 is the best console to play on. Imo of course.

I wonder what he'll think of the PS4.

If Sony has learnt from their mistakes.....and they have (look at the PSV and how it's the easiest Sony platform to develop for) then I'm sure Sony will make the PS4 developer friendly.

As people have mentioned Carmack knows that the PS3 is powerfull it's just (to him) not easy to develop for. If it was easy to develop for like the 360 I bet it would be his favorite choice.

calling the 360 the best console ever is just pore fanboyism, dont matter who says it

So as far as I can tell he's saying the 360 is better because of the dev tools. Well that's just a lousy cop out if you ask me. That says I think this one is better because its easier for me to pump out a video game because xbox is nearly a straight port over from pc. whereas in a ps3 game you have to redo the ports all together to get it to work right. Jeez man have some pride in your work. "this ones better cause its easier" if it was easy everyone would do it.

You'd have to ignore RRoD for the 360 to make the top 5.

I expect guys like Carmack to say things like this. The 360 is PC's little brother, and Carmack is a PC guy. I'm sure he felt the same way about last gen's Xbox.

I'm sure we'll see this again when Will Wright has a game coming up.

It is a disappointment that he based that opinion on how hard it is to program for the system vs how powerful the system is. I'm curious to see how he is going to solve the storage problem for Rage on DVD.

He basically have been telling something we should already understand, 360's take the lead in terms of GPU and memory architecture and PS3 have the best CPU,no two ways about that,not much difference between them in terms of power as both have their strong points and shortcoming.The problem is the dev tools console manufacturers send to developers and Sony's crippled developer support, they should just sit and listen to what guys like Carmack have to say,if they had done so the PS3 wouldn't be the pain in the a** that it is to develop for.

I would say the Nintendo Entertainment System is the greatest console of all time cause it pretty much single handily saved the video game industry.

Second would be the Sega Genesis. Sure the SNES was far superior but the Genesis brought more mature themes to gaming and showed that you could make M rated games (Blood Gore Death etc.) and still turn a profit without being 100% kiddie plus it was hands down the best platform to play sport titles on.

Third would be the PS2 cause it simply took console gaming to great new heights and ruled the industry with an iron fist for years and is still going strong ten years later.

Oh oh....

Looks like another Sony fanboy boycott session is about to happen....

I guess all the Sony Fanboys on the internetz better get their virtual pen ready to sign the "John Carmack thinks the Xbox 360 is the best console this Gen so we are boycotting RAGE" petition.

Oh well, look on the bright side Carmack, it's not like they actually believed your game existed in the first place...being multiplat and all.

This has been posted before. Epic fail.

I don't care how developers rates the consoles. Their position is based on how easy it is to design and code for each console. I just care about the end product, and at this point in time I play on my PS3 more than I do my Xbox.

Yeah Carmack did say he preferred the Xbox development over the PS3's months ago. I don't know if this is just "Re-assurance" or what, but a similar situation came with battlefield devs, saying they were upset at the console(PS3) crowd, and when he was asked the question what console do you prefer? The devs said the Xbox.

I believe they even said they had a a certain rendered lighting system for the Xbox version specifically . You gotta admit Xbox is not a bad console to develop for.

Oh no he diii'int!!

keep in in mind that its his opinion and its according to "HIM" the opinion of one man and how he feels about a console is not fact just opinion . like i said if he doesn't get the tech thats fine but statements about "lack of " or whatever is simply hard to belive when devs like naughty dog, gerrila games, sony santa monica etc. prove otherwise . if games like those didn't exist then his point would be valid but at this point looking at all the amazing exclusive games out for it doesn't matter to me one bit what this man says. to me he just comes off as another lazy dev complaining. and yes i know hes a scientist bla bla bla that doesn't mean he knows the ps3 . we will see how rage fares against the juggernaught that is uncharted 3 this fall

Everyone flame him and question his ability to make games now because his opinion isn't the same as yours.

Insufferable fanboys...

A console with a %50+ failure rate is NEVER 'the best' console ever made'.

So whatever is easier and not what is the most powerful is the best to him. The best things life most of the time take serious effort and work. Some just can’t handle that.

People don't read the article do they? (rhetorical) He states his basis for why the 360 is the best console, based on ease and accessibility of development, and yet there are still people up in flames over which console has what games, blah blah blah. Carmack is one of the smartest, if not THE, smartest engineers/programmers in the industry. Don't take it as a grain of salt because when when someone like him makes a statement like that there is validity behind it whether we like it or not.

Clearly the writer of this title knows the N4G audience....

I love both the ps3 and xbox360, but I really.can't wait until the next Xbox is released. I was a ps3 fanboy but I got a Xbox slim s model.and the service and games are amazing compared to the ps3. Don't get me wrong I love the station to death but the interface.feels last gen.the Xbox took things to a new level I really can't se why people even myself.was hating on the Xbox I mean Xbox can run God of war with no problem I think I got hook on the PS systems from the past but the ps3feels like it has an updated interface of the ps2 compared to the Xbox live system Microsoft did a good job and next Gen I will be the first inline to get the next box

2nd best and still destroyed by the better gaming option: a PC. Even gaming laptops destroy the consoles.

Anyway, when this guy says anything, the gaming world, including you, the consumer, had better bloody listen.

He's like..I dunno..the Yoda of the gaming world. This guy bloody well invented the FPS genre, so dont dare question him.

What he says is true.

Carmack is one of the most knowledgeable and honest developers in the industry, and I've always had a respect for him.

At least id took up the challenge, and continued to work with the PS3 until they overcame it's hurdles. I think it says a lot to a developers dedication to their craft when they can tackle complex architecture and come out on top.

Not all developers can do this (sometimes it's a time/budget/manpower issue), but some of the larger studios that bitched and moaned about PS3 development, and gave up can kiss off.

It'll be interesting to see what the PS4 and the next Xbox will be like as far as development environments go. I imagine the Xbox will be business as usual, but I wonder if the PS4 will be like the PSVita is rumored to be; a lot more developer friendly.

All i have to say on the matter is,next gen will be amazing when both sony and MS release there next consoles. lack of RAM will not be a problem for the next gen consoles.

Who cares if it's the 10th best. PS3 plays the best games and gives the best overall experience.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!! !!
I was honestly expeecting him to say that the PS2 would be the number 1 system of all time but the 360!?!?

KEEEP DREAMING FANBOYS!! KEEP DREAMING!! Ya'll got no games!! Enjoy your GOTY Jersey shore kinect title!!

let the fanboy war begin

Wow!!! Alot of butt hurt PS3 fanboys commenting in this article. Who cares which console is number one or not, its all down to personal preference. It aint you making the money at the end of the day, fanboys are sheep!!!

The PC is video gaming's best platform ever.

A man who is basically a PC dev praising what is, basically, a modded cheap PC.....ok. While he does have some points, its just a opinion. An opinion that is absurdly biased by the years he spend developing for a similar platform....

And as some have said, a console that has the worst failure rate in the history of ANY eletronic device SHOULD NEVER be said to be the best anything. It is F*CK YOU to all users who got burned by it.

lol seriously

He thinks the 360 is the best console ever

That's impossible because its not above the PlayStation or PlayStation 2

not to mention Nintendo as well, they got some sick consoles above the 360 as well