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Kinect “not about precision” – Tsunoda

Kinect experiences are “not about precision”, Microsoft’s Kudo Tsunoda admits – but if games are “built from the ground up for Kinect it will feel better than with the controller”.

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Veeger5392d ago ShowReplies(2)
NukaCola5392d ago

Kinect “not about precision” – Tsunoda

Glasses "Not about shade" - Tsunoda

miDnIghtEr5392d ago

You're right! Some are made for vision improvement! But if made from the ground up to be true SUN glasses, then the sun glasses will work better, than if it was made from regular glasses that weren't made with shaders.

gamingdroid5392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

It actually isn't about precision. It is really about the experience!

If you think about it, why is Bioshock such a fantastic game while Haze was a poor one? They both have the same precision available to them both! Why is the Wii fun, yet lacking sorely in precision?

How many of you play a game because of the precision or the experience?

SilentNegotiator5392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

If Kinect was “built from the ground up....[to] feel better than with the controller”, then it's lack of precision is a hindrance to that goal.

Stop trying to sell the people of N4G Kinect with PR talk like "It's an experience *exclamation point*"

If Bioshock had terrible, inaccurate aiming, it would be much less playable. It would make appreciating the "experience" for several hours almost impossible.

Kinect is no exception. The Wii, as you mention, got away with a lot because developers USED the waggle to their advantage. Many games work just fine by wiggling and waggling the controller around violently. You don't have to master the moves in "Just Dance", you just have to try and move to the beat.

Enter Kinect stage left. Lack of precision doesn't do well with full body tracking. It's about replicating movements. Waggle for a simple action doesn't compare to making a very specific movement.

gamingdroid5392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

***If Bioshock had terrible, inaccurate aiming, it would be much less playable. It would make appreciating the "experience" for several hours almost impossible.***

It gets better precision on PC, but the console version was adapted to work with controllers.

Again, it is the experience you get from using the controller not the precision. If it was, the PS Move would have outsold the Wii and the PC would have never been what little it is today.

... and finally Bioshock would have sold the best on PC! We are gamers aren't we? Shouldn't we all buy the best game version?

***Stop trying to sell the people of N4G Kinect with PR talk like "It's an experience *exclamation point*"***

I wouldn't bother trying to sell them on it as proven by going to almost any other website even on youtube, read the comments and see people reaction to Kinect and it tells you that people are in general are a lot more excited about Kinect then the average n4g.com Joe.

***The Wii, as you mention, got away with a lot because developers USED the waggle to their advantage. Many games work just fine by wiggling and waggling the controller around violently. You don't have to master the moves in "Just Dance", you just have to try and move to the beat.***

You just proved my point! The developers used the waggle to their "advantage" i.e. they designed a game around the controls to produce a satisfiable experience!

Gheeee, thank you for proving my point by trying to disprove it!

KingSlayer5392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

That's obvious Tsunoda. What is it about? I'm a gamer, so when I look for gaming related add-ons, I look for games that will accompany it. I don't want to settle for games that I'm not interested in (Dance Central, Kinect Sports, damn near everything) JUST to say Kinect has value. I don't have every Move title for the same reason, I'm not settling. I do have games like Heavy Rain, Tumble, Socom 4, Killzone 3 because they WORK very well with Move. Bioshock Infinite, Resistance 3, No More Heroes and GoldenEye are other examples of games I want to play with Move. I'm hard pressed to name a single Kinect game.

EDIT: @miDnIghtEr
Reading comprehension...get some.

miDnIghtEr5392d ago

Of course, you buy and have all the move related games that use Move, but of course Kinect games and Kinect aren't for you.

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bebojet5392d ago

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Misterhbk5392d ago

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KingSlayer5392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

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Jumper095392d ago

lol? i remember that precision was one of the features xD And now? its not?
lol ...

mendicant5392d ago

When you write a headline, it is possible to garner attention to your article without taking quotes out of context. The complete statement is:

“No matter what, if you build an experience for one type of platform or device and then bring it over to another one, it’s always going to play better on the platform that it’s built from the ground up for,” Tsunoda said.

“I think you see with Kinect experiences today it’s not about precision, but if we made Kinect experiences like track and field in Kinect Sports and had you running down the track using a game pad instead of Kinect it would not feel as good,” he told Edge. “I think that’s where it’s at.”

“If it’s built from the ground up for Kinect it will feel better than with the controller, if it’s built for a controller it’ll feel better than with Kinect, and I think that makes sense.”

What's wrong with what he said? Is he saying that Kinect can't do precision based games as the article implies? Journalism basics should be mandatory.

VINNIEPAZ5392d ago

"What's wrong with what he said?"

There is absolutely nothing wrong with what he said. You gotta understand most fanboys don't even read the articles. They are programed to hate something and nothing will change there minds about it.

rob-E5392d ago (Edited 5392d ago )

There is nothing literally wrong with what he said, but there is something wrong with what's implied. He is basically saying that Kinect is not precise, at the moment, because certain games are not built specifically for it. But think for a second, what kind of core game can be built specifically for Kinect? How can you constantly (and practically) move a character... walk, run, dodge, turn, crouch, jump, aim, etc. without getting exhausted within minutes?

Personally, I am not interested in a device that cannot be precise in core games... other than:
- running and jumping down a track
- checking blind spots in racing games
- giving audible commands
- browsing menus
- performing mundane tasks in an on-rail game
- tracking my movements for dance games, work out games, and mini games.

If that's what other gamers are about, more power to them, but it's not for me personally. TO ME, his comments pretty much solidified that, at this point in time, Kinect has no real purpose in core games that warrant purchasing it. Mainly because core games are built around controllers with buttons.

KwietStorm_BLM5392d ago

Well what it sounds like he said is they're getting all the shovelware to shelves first, in order to make an attempt at the Wii crowd and get some sales (seems like it's working), followed by games for actual gamers at some point later. That is 'precisely' the problem people have with Kinect. People obviously want to like it, but the games aren't there. Thing that concerns me is even the hardcore games shown at e3 with Kinect integration obviously are not built for Kinect as the default controller, so when does precision become a priority and for what audience? That's what I take from his statements.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio8d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing8d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster928d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit8d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing8d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster928d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay10d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn211d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn210d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown11d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay10d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay10d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac10d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger11d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300011d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde11d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde10d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7512d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_9d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.