calm down vinnie pooh ...

Vigil games is NOT the developer that deserves final word on this. On both the 360 and PS3, their ONLY game is sub-HD with no AA.

PS3 haters can pretend like some new studio has the talent, and this is all the ps3's fault, but the signs are completely missing.

Plenty of other studios have absolutely no trouble at all with the ps3.

PS3 haters are trying too hard, Now let's move on.

"Oh STFU with this already. Like many have said before some developers are very small and dont have a lot of resources/money to make big games like UC or GoW."

And yet you have companies like Atlus and NIS who are niche and smaller than other ones that don't moan or complain out to the public.

listen if your not going to utilise it properly don't complain its too hard to use. thats like going to war and falling to the floor screaming argh i'm dead before you've got out of the base

But it and the CELL PROCESSOR (newer versions of it) are likely to be used in their next Console interation.

If it wasn't for the PS3's architecture, we wouldn't have all of the new AA implementations that we currently have which spawned from MLAA. DLAA, FXAA and others.

New things spawn new innovations, Ranshak.....that's how it works.

Edit in: Ranshak also said:
"Actually aside the firstparty devs hardly anyone is using the cell to its potential"

Apparently VALVE doesn't agree with you, seeing how they used MLAA on Portal 2

No offense, but I don't think you really know what you're talking about, sir.

@persistantthug

yea and lets turn a blind eye to the rest of the developers. is it so hard to accept hardly anyone aside firstparty use the cell.

God you PS3 fans are a deluded lot. no ones arguing at the capability of the cell, i am just saying most devs dont invest in it because they dont see it worth the financials it needs. Which is why PS3 is mostly always in 3rd place when it comes to multiplats.

Had Sony saved their money and gone with a G80 class gpu i can assure you it would have resulted in better graphics then whatever cell + RSX can dish out. regardless of how even first parties optimise for the cell it wont ever reach to the sort of performance a G80 can, i hope that clears things up.

Sony couldn't make the PS3 any easier to develop because the philosophy of Ken Kutaragi (the father of Playstattion) believes that a machine that is harder to develop will make the developers better and create new ways of developing products (in this case games)

Ken was looking at it at a tech junky point of view not at a casual developers level. There is a reason he is not with Sony anymore. lol!

He should thank Kaz Hirai too. Kaz sticked his neck out for Ken by making that lousy ten year cycle excuse thing.

For 1, obviously without use of the Cell Processor, you'd have no game....It wouldn't work, obviously.

2nd,
I just gave you an example of the Cell processor being used with MLAA and Valve using it....VALVE of all people.

In fact, MLAA is now part of the EDGE toolset that allows all developers to use it.

From what I understand, DICE is going to use it too.

Sony creates the tools, develoeprs use it.......that's how it works, Ranskak.

Now if you mean to say that the MOST IMPRESSIVE stuff seems to come from Sony's first party developers, vs most of the 3rd party devs, then yeah.....but I think we all know that.

Please dont give us the garbage without Cell you wouldnt have the game. An 8800GTX with a dualcore cpu beats whatever a PS3 (Cell + RSX) cand dish out. I initially played a game like Crysis in 1080p on that setup. Seems like PS3 with a dumbed down crysis 2 can barely handle 720p. So i wouldnt say game wouldnt be possible if Cell wasnt there.

You do realise MLAA is a shader effect its not even real AA and can cause games to go blurry. The only reason they introduced MLAA is because its not as resource hungry as MSAA.

Also its not like MLAA is limited to the Cell, PC GPUS can do it to, its just that they never used MLAA because MSAA is still superior. PC never really needed MLAA and still most people with AMD GPUs prefer not to use MLAA because it tends to blur text, hence is not a good option for games where you need to read too much stuff.

On the PS3, If you DON'T use the Cell processor, your game won't work.......PERIOD. That's not conjecture...that's a fact.

Secondly, Sony's implementation of MLAA is not the same as the one used by AMD....Sony's is a custom version. In fact, there is no better rendition of MLAA in gameplay than the one that is used in PS3 games....that is also a fact.