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Console Limitations

As this generation has evolved so has the competition. It's more than gaming now, it's about the combination of gaming lifestyle, and technology merging together. The PC space as disjointed as it may seem at times has always been a progressive platform. Although, the console business model can't accept that kind of volatility. It can step up with console manufactures taking a better look at longevity, and what is needed for the future. Thekingslayer.com investigates console limitations.

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cochise3135445d ago

Good devs can work around console limitations. Looks how good gears 3 and UC3 look. Some devs are too lazy to optimize their engines. Some devs can't even master the ps3 yet, why do they want a new gen so bad?

fluffydelusions5445d ago

You answered your own question. Lazy devs. That said, I'd still rather them concentrate on gameplay/story rather than strictly graphics.

BeastlyRig5445d ago

nah consoles are limited.. They can't get BF3 preformance out of it like pc.. I think all devs want that.. That is not lazy.

MrSpace5445d ago

"Some devs can't even master the ps3"

Because they can't be arsed to work towards it, do you think NaughtyDog are just lucky with Uncharted.....no they work there arses off, they wanted to do a desert setting because they knew Sand physics were really hard to do, they were challenging themselfs.

The point is if devs work hard on the PS3, it pays off in the end.

Foxgod5445d ago

Multi games cant look as good as exclusives, if you have to optimize a game for more then one system, then you have to make sacrifices to ensure that the code can run on both/all platforms.

Thats why PC games got such an enormous overhead.
Because of the extra layer in Direct-X that has to translate the software to dozens of different hardware setups, same goes for multi platform engines.

djsandman5445d ago (Edited 5445d ago )

Well, you obviously don't understand the law of diminishing returns. The jumps between games graphically are becoming minuscule compared to earlier in our consoles lifespans. A new generation would bring much more graphical power to their table, bottlenecks like the current GFX cards and Ram are very apparent. optimization can't go much farther on our current platforms. For Devs to reach new creative, graphical and immersive heights we need new platforms.

I'm kinda sick of everyone thinking you can just optimize a system forever and it will continue to improve drastically.

evrfighter5445d ago

Paragraphs dude...can I have it?

Liked the idea of the article but I couldn't finish it.

Foxgod5445d ago (Edited 5445d ago )

Even Uncharted and gears have pretty much hit the ceiling.

New consoles will probably arrive in 2012/2013, otherwise the next gears and uncharted will barely have a graphical improvement.

And games that are considered gfx beasts, will become pretty stale if they dont improve on what they do best.

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thebudgetgamer5445d ago

i does not matter how strong a system is if the people working it don't understand how to use it.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

cedaridge5445d ago

I agree! after gears 3 & uncharted 3 i think it's time for the next gen. especially microsoft it's time for the xb720. 360 this Nov will be 6 yrs old and pretty much have NO MORE exclusives.

cedaridge5445d ago (Edited 5445d ago )

WHO ever disagree wit me i challenge YOU to tell everyone hear, What EXCLUSIVE'S after GEARS 3 will 360 owners will be looking forward too? and im no fanboy i have both ps3/xb360 also but Gears 3 will own me and a lot of other ppl. ps3: cedaridge / xbl: cedaridge

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot35d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle35d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7735d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay36d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn236d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn235d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown36d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay36d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay36d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac35d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger36d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300036d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde36d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde35d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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Top Racers Need Top Gear – Introducing the Forza Horizon 6 Limited Edition Controller and Headset

Omar writes: "With the Horizon Festival coming to breathtaking Japan, you’ll need the essential gear to prove you’ve got what it takes to become a Horizon Legend as you cruise, drift and explore an open world full of spectacular driving experiences. That’s why we’re happy to announce the newest Limited Edition Xbox Wireless Controller and Wireless Headset collection, featuring inspired designs from Forza Horizon 6. The bright cyan and lime colorways celebrate the Horizon Festival’s recognition of iconic cars and hit music, with special features that are sure to impress any collector."

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Killer2020UK42d ago

Oh my, that is one gaudy design