the 360 relies on 3rd party support more than any other. Core titles will continue to be released for the 360 by 3rd parties as well as a few from MS. So the notion of core gamers will come around will be down to the 3rd parties and how they integrate the use of the kinect with the games geared towards that type of gamer.

MS never said they would be solely responsible for the 'core' support. Their only concern is making the system available to any and all with options the devs can use at their discretion.

I do like how they are not forcing the use but encouraging it through simple to complex means. Unlike many add-ons in the past that were released and then left to their own without support. Kinect is getting quite a bit of support in different genres of games.

Whether or not they are appealing to some is personal choice. Truth be told....I have seen some pretty 'core' dance central players out there. Just because it isnt hardcore to some doesnt mean it isnt hardcore to others.

We have yet to really get a solid definition of 'core' as it relates in general. All we have are interpretations on personal levels.

Core 360 gamers will come around after a few more half billions in marketing, when they realize they don't have much choi.....oh right, they do have a lot of choice, including a new console that is trying to reach that audience in 2012.

Microsoft didn't sell 10 Million Kinects with just this pretend 'casual' crowd.

Millions and millions of stand alone's sold (meaning existing customers) already bought and are playing are playing Kinect.

Micrsoft got it dead-on..the fickle press means nothing. Last year the news was Micrsoft lost E3..Kinect is too expensive..lag..lag..

Come launch it was..it works..and has great potential...it broke records..look how much the 360 is selling..

This E3 the same tactics exist..and just like last year..log off the internet and the fan kid and fan blogger universe is meaningless.

The truth is OFFLINE gamers are gamers..they play 'hardcore' games and they also play 'Angry Birds'..they play by themselves online..and they play with family and friends..there no fake 'CORE' crowd..if you watch the gaming media before Kinect and after Kinect then you know exactly when this fake issue was formulated.

I say it all the time it's the guys that I know who are as hardcore 360 as it gets with ridiculous hours looged on Halo and at least 3 Prestiges per Call of Duty who since launch have the most achievements in Dance Central and Kinect Sports.

Kinect is a blast and is the go-to motion controls on the house for family and friends. But, I have been on this site and others in anticipation for Child of Eden since last E3 and that game alone showed how amazing Kinect can be with different experiences.

The reality is the hardcore for the 360 never left and never will..watch the millions upon millions of 360 gamers flock to Gear of War 3, Halo Anniversay, Modern Warfare 3, and Mass Effect 3. That is amongst the incredible Fall and Holiday line-up.

In fact I salute Microsoft for sticking to their guns..why wouldn't they..most of the people spending 90% of their existance complaining about Kinect don't even own a 360.

Evil

I agree kind of. Kinect needs must play games that are kinect exclusives. Child of Eden is one but its playable with a controller also (although MUCH better w kinect). Steel Batallion is another coming and theres a few more. Its missing that must have experience. Maybe a diablo 3 like game or first person rpg like demon souls where u swing and blok yourself. The thing they need is a nav controller. An analoug stick only would do. Its great fun but dev need to jump in and makea jrpg, wrpg, dungean crawler ex. Also add to core games like me3. Its optional added in here and there to make it a better experience.

Thats not fully Kinect though.

We want "Kinect Only" core games. But we dont want those core games to replace anything thats usually controller based. For example, I dont want Halo 4 to suddenly just be for Kinect, although that wouldnt happen. Its either got to be a Halo spin off, or not a Halo game at all.

I don't see Child of Eden as a core game.

Just because it has beautiful visuals and alot of flashing lights doesn't make it a 'core' game.

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".