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Is Microsoft too Focused on Kinect?

electricshadow|5318d ago |Opinion piece|73|

Will the company's drive to create 'the future of entertainment' leave its existing audience out in the cold?

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LOGICWINS5318d ago (Edited 5318d ago )

IMO, they're doing exactly what they need to do.

They realize that the majority of their hardcore audience are okay with the 360 being supported with two three major exclusive franchises(Gears, Forza, Halo) and COD.

^^THIS is the reality of things(even though the Internet disagrees). Gears 3 is the most pre-ordered game in the world at the moment and MW3(360 version) is outpacing Black Ops in pre-orders. Numbers don't lie.

Because they know they have the hardcore crowd covered..they can focus on the casual crowd. After investing $500 million in Kinect advertising ANY prudent, logical business person would focus on Kinect as much as possible.

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Bumpmapping5318d ago (Edited 5318d ago )

Thanks for the laugh seriously I needed it.WTF does sales have to do with hardcore?! COD is not hardcore btw.Maybe you stop and think hmmm maybe GEOW3 sales are huge because you guys have not had any hardcore games to play.

LOGICWINS/Majority of COD sale are from casual gamers that's all they play is COD.Keep on that whole sales argument I find it hillarious.

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LOGICWINS5318d ago (Edited 5318d ago )

"HAHA
Thanks for the laugh seriously I needed it.WTF does sales have to do with hardcore?! COD is not hardcore btw.Maybe you stop and think hmmm maybe GEOW3 sales are huge because you guys have not had any hardcore games to play."

1. You guys? Who said I had a 360?

2. So YOU determine what a hardcore game is? LOL, now YOUR the one whose making me laugh. Over 50 million COD players across the globe disagree with you.

3. Hardcore gamers buy hardcore games..which is why sales is a factor. People buy things they like. Hence, sales express what people want. The more sales a game gets, the more desired it is by the public.

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MAJ0R5318d ago

what you said was true but that doesn't mean people aren't pissed off because of their casual focus, their not creating new IP's or anything beatifically to it's hardcore audience

my prediction is that MS will be the Nintendo of next gen and focus mainly on hardcore while still throwing the long time franchises at the people who play them

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LOGICWINS5318d ago (Edited 5318d ago )

@Major- I agree. There ARE people out there who want more out of the 360s hardcore exclusive lineup. Heres the problem:

The majority of the 360s user base has shown that they don't care about more exclusives with their buying habits. I personally do see anything wrong with this.

People who aren't satisfied with the 360's library have MANY options out there for them.

1. Buy a PS3(doubles as a Blu-Ray player, large library of exclusive titles across most major genres)

2. Game on the PC which has 90+ exclusive games coming out this year.

And the people who ARE happy with the 360s hardcore exclusive library can play Gears 3, Forza 4, Halo Anniversary, Supremacy MMA, MW3, Saints Row 3, AC: Revelations, BF3, Fear 3 etc.

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XRider5318d ago (Edited 5318d ago )

Kinect helps sell more 360's and 360 fans still have the core games coming out. MS isn't here to give you a rub in the tub. They sell products and they do it well. Which is probably why they are one of the riches corporations in the world. MS is outselling everyone by targeting two groups of gamers. How is that a bad thing? Please enlighten me.

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Nicaragua5318d ago

50 million sales for the COD franchise does not equal 50 million players globally unless you are assuming that each new iteration of the game brings on 10 million brand new players - which would be nonsense.

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thugbob5318d ago (Edited 5318d ago )

I see your reasoning, but it could also be the fact that Microsoft aren't giving the games that suit THEIR hardcore crowd. Mircosoft tried with games like Alan Wake and JAP RPGs, but it's obvious that their audience don't like those type of games. Microsoft needs to find the type of games they like(which looks like shooters). I do agree that Mircosoft needs to focus on Kinect though. They can't just leave it alone. They need to show that they have faith in their product.

Edit: I'm not saying that they are not satisfied. I'm saying that Microsoft is not giving them more exclusive that they will like. Instead they just make sequels to the ones they know they do like.

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LOGICWINS5318d ago (Edited 5318d ago )

"I see your reasoning, but it could also be the fact that Microsoft aren't giving the games that suit THEIR hardcore crowd."

How do you know that? How do you know that the 360's hardcore crowd isn't being satisfied? Serious question btw. Give me numbers, give me statistics, give me evidence.

And no..seeing a couple of people complaining about the 360's lack of exclusives on N4G isn't sufficient.

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SilentNegotiator5317d ago (Edited 5317d ago )

"They realize that the majority of their hardcore audience are okay with the 360 being supported with two three major exclusive franchises(Gears, Forza, Halo) and COD"

How do you know that? How do you know that the 360's hardcore crowd is being satisfied? Serious question btw. Give me numbers, give me statistics, give me evidence.

It's a two way street, sir.

Go ahead; PROVE that hardcore 360 gamers don't want 'hardcore' games in between Gears, Halo, and COD.

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NewZealander5318d ago

people say MS focus too much on kinect, and people would also complain if MS didn't support kinect enough, i think the problem is they marketed kinect, showing all these cool gimmicks like scanning in objects etc, and it hasn't lived up to that hype, hell we in New Zealand STILL dont have voice command!

kinect has turned from cool idea, to just another motion controller for the kids, hell if i was a kid i would probably still prefer a decent platform game over the bollix they pump out for kinect.

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Hicken5318d ago

Wrong, wrong, and wrong.

Addressing every issue I have with what you've said, in no particular order.

Sales don't mean a thing. For one, there are more casual gamers than hardcore gamers; any "hardcore" game that casuals play in droves(such as CoD, though I don't even consider it hardcore anymore) will have skewed sales numbers because of that. Likewise, there are just a handful of exclusives a hardcore gamer will play on the 360. The same can be said for casual gamers who branch out beyond their "gateway drug," CoD. So once you're done with Activision's entry, you then try Gears and Halo; thus the sales numbers for these titles are skewed as well.

The majority of ANYONE'S hardcore audience is NOT satisfied with a handful of exclusives. They want new, quality IPs on a regular basis. They want innovative, groundbreaking games that push the limits of their system's capabilities.

You keep quoting "numbers don't lie," and you're right. But there's something you're neglecting to mention: numbers can mean what you want them to. And so far, as you've done is say "the numbers say" MS is doing what they need to be doing. By your definition, that's abandoning the core audience that brought them their success (and stuck with them through a dismal system launch that would have been a deal-breaker for any other company) and sucking in more casuals.

The proof you keep asking for is readily evident if you pull your head out of your own ass and look around: PEOPLE ARE NOT HAPPY. Hell, you could say I'm a PS3 fanboy, and I STILL don't like the direction MS is taking with Kinect. When I go to work and people I've known for years ask me, "So what's good on the 360 these days?" I have nothing to point them to, because these people are not interested in Kinect. "Wait until September," is all I can tell them, or, "About time to get you a PS3."

I'll claim all day every day that the PS3 is a better system, and I can do more than use my opinion to say so. The "numbers don't lie" when I say the PS3 has outsold the 360. They don't lie when I start naming off exclusives. But, at the end of the day, a successful Microsoft means a more dedicated Sony.

What Microsoft is doing right now is not a long-term, successful business plan. It was folly for them to pour so much money into the casual market. After all, a casual gamer is someone who doesn't play a lot of games, or doesn't play often, or both; such an individual is NOT going to further the growth of your system, and when you pour money into a new IP or one of your exclusives, they're not as likely to buy it as hardcore gamers. If, by some chance, these casuals become hardcore, they'll want games that aren't casual; games that have been ignored in favor of kids games and exercise games.

Your argument from the start= FAIL. Why? Because you don't know what a hardcore gamer is, and you don't understand the relationship that any gaming company has with that audience. That is the one group you DON'T alienate, because that group will stay beside you, no matter what else happens.

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Bigpappy5318d ago

Logicwins: Great name and good try. You try to use logic with this group, and you will loose every time.

Here is the deal. PS3 fanboys are happy with PS3 because it has more exclusives that 360. They think all 360 owners should get rid of their 360's and join them in owning a PS3 and join them in not buying said exclusives. But the fact that Sony is making them makes them happy that they have a PS3 and can use that on all websites to fight with the 360 "rivals". That is all this 'Exclusive' hoopla is all about.

Now the question is: "Is Microsoft too Focused on Kinect?". I say no, and here is why. M$ is 6yrs into this gen and has very strong 3rd party support. Most 3rd party games sell better and perform better on the 360. Keep in mine that the PS2 did great because it had very strong 3rd party supported (Take2, Square, Kanami, ...). They have chosen not to rush to get a new console out there, but instead try and expand their base with an expensive add-on (Kinect). I has been on the market now for close to a year and has performed much better than anyone could have predicted (sold over 10mil is 6 months). At E3 they showned multiple ways it will be useful, this year and beyone. For casuals and core alike. If M$ had not done this, they would have said that M$ made a quick cash in and bailed on the add-on. But to the delight on millions, that is not the case. M$ has shown a commitment to the device, and has been able to get 3rd party to also invest their efforts in the device. Sony could only wish they had that type of support right now for the Move. This is not to say Kinect is better than Move or vice versa, but that M$ is getting better support for thier device, which will insure that it stays around and continue to grow a fanbase.

Any 360 only owner who say they have nothing to play on 360 because they do not have enough exclusives, need to explain whick exclusives M$ lossed that they can no longer play? With the great supply of great 3rd party games, why exactly do you need more exclusives? But if you do need the system with the most exclusives, there is the PS3 or the wii. There is nothing wrong with switching consoles if that is what you really want from a console. I personally did not buy many of the exclusives on the 360. But the ones I did buy were great and sold really well.

By the way COD is not as casual as God of war (hack and slash that promps you which button to press). COD is as "Hard Core" as they come.

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Hicken5318d ago

Exclusives move systems. Exclusives SELL systems. Why buy a PS3? Cuz it has Uncharted. Why buy a 360? Cuz it's got Halo. Multiplatform games don't do that. Exclusives do.

Most multiplats DO play better on 360. Why? Because those are developed FIRST for 360, then for PS3; the former is easier to design for 9and Microsoft has deep pockets they're not afraid of reaching into).

The sales numbers for the Kinect are as skewed as the sales numbers for the 360 itself; whereas, for the latter, systems replaced during the RROD fiasco were included in their numbers, the former was bundled with the new 360s and the system itself was available ONLY as that bundle for months. If you wanted a 360, guess what? You'd have to shell out an extra hundred for one with Kinect, because that's all retailers had.

At E3, they showed sparse integration with a handful of games, and a bunch of stuff that's little better than the shovelware that makes up the majority of the Wii's library. Kinect inclusion for ME3, Forza, and Halo. Then there's a bunch of stuff hardcore gamers won't be bothered to even look at, all of which casual gamers will buy because the actual quality won't really matter. (Not turning this into a fanboy debate as you'd like, but look up the number of MOVE-optional games and MOVE games, total. There are about as many MOVE-optional games as Kinect only games, period.)

3rd party support is great. But 3rd party support isn't why you choose one system over another. It's great to have Sega or Square on board for games, but it's even more important that Sony is putting out games for the PS3, and that Microsoft is putting out titles for the 360. It shows loyalty to the customer: you bought our product, so here's a game only you can play.

A casual game can most easily be denoted by its demographic. Do lots of young kids play the game? Do lots of women(no offense) play this game? Is this game and/or one or two others like it all that a person owns? Chances are: its a casual.

The GoW demographic spans from teens to middle-age, mostly male. The majority of owners of a GoW game are likely to be into sports games, particularly football. They also tend to play Grand Theft and other 3rd person titles. (This is based on my experience as a seller of games and systems.)

CoD players tend to play MW2 and Black Ops. And Crysis. And are unsatisfied with anything else, as it's not fun (read:easy) enough.

Gimme your logic.

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Nicaragua5318d ago

So your criteria for a game being casual or hardcore is whether or not it has QTE or on screen button prompts? - utter bollocks.

Vanquish, Ninja Gaiden, and Bayonetta all have these kind of button prompts and i would hardly refer to them as casual.

Even Black Ops (from the series you claim dosnt have button prompts) has button prompts so that pretty much pisses on your theory.

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gamingdroid5317d ago

"Exclusives move systems. Exclusives SELL systems."

You are partially wrong there. Exclusives do help systems move initially, but after that it's contribution is negligent. Why do you think Xbox 360 still sells after all these years considering RROD and lack of exclusives?

People buy consoles, because they want to play games period and not just exclusive games!

"Most multiplats DO play better on 360. Why? Because those are developed FIRST for 360, then for PS3; the former is easier to design for 9and Microsoft has deep pockets they're not afraid of reaching into)."

What about the fact that PS3 uses an obscure architecture? Nobody really uses multiple mini-cores (if you can even call it that) with severely restricted memory access?

Development tools do matter and one quick look at XNA and you know the tools are good, very good.

"3rd party support is great. But 3rd party support isn't why you choose one system over another. It's great to have Sega or Square on board for games, but it's even more important that Sony is putting out games for the PS3, and that Microsoft is putting out titles for the 360. It shows loyalty to the customer: you bought our product, so here's a game only you can play."

What about Gears of War? How about Call of Duty? GTA? All third party games and all sell very well!

"At E3, they showed sparse integration with a handful of games, and a bunch of stuff that's little better than the shovelware that makes up the majority of the Wii's library."

It's shovelware for you, but for the casual crowd they would buy that up like Big Macs. Dance Central and Kinect Sports sells almost as well as PS3 exclusives!

"Kinect inclusion for ME3, Forza, and Halo. Then there's a bunch of stuff hardcore gamers won't be bothered to even look at, all of which casual gamers will buy because the actual quality won't really matter."

That really remains to be seen as I don't think hardcore games on Kinect have even had a chance yet.

"(Not turning this into a fanboy debate as you'd like, but look up the number of MOVE-optional games and MOVE games, total. There are about as many MOVE-optional games as Kinect only games, period.)"

Yes, and why does that even matter? With as many games, does it sell? Do people care? As far as I can tell, the PS Move integration is nothing more than what Wii has already done for ages and nobody cared then either.

If anything, Kinect is actually less intrusive when it comes to motion control, because the PS Move wand actually replaces the controller, but Kinect can be used in addition to the controller.

"It shows loyalty to the customer: you bought our product, so here's a game only you can play."

No, it shows the seller is making money. It is naive to believe that a company is some kind of charity for their fans. Never has been and never will be.

After reading your analsysis, I'm sorry to say, but it seems clouded by PS bias. Why is PS Move games fine, but Kinect not? You are explaining away Xbox 360 sales when convenient, but ignores other platforms do the same thing.

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2v15318d ago

how would you know any of this if you dont have a 360!

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gamingdroid5318d ago

Historically hardcore meant the people that play a lot, not fanatics. By that measure, CoD, Halo and potentially Gears is in that crowd as the most bought and most games played (as seen via monthly Xbox Live statistics).

To claim CoD isn't hardcore is just plain ridiculous.

Now if you defined hardcore as niche games that require patience, then yeah, I can see CoD being non-hardcore, but for all intensive purposes CoD gets played by a lot of people, doesn't appeal to your mom, get's played a lot and do require skill! That fits almost all definitions of a hardcore game.

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jdfoster005317d ago

COD isn't a fucking exclusive! And doesn't have a lead platform!!! Only thing 360 has is TIMED exclusive. (actually mw2 was running in higher res on ps3- r bowling comment from twitter)

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jdfoster005317d ago

How can you include COD in their? Cod is multiplatform... And is the same on ps3 and pc as on 360 only thing 360 has is TIMED DLC ... Rem

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Anon19745317d ago

I don't think Microsoft is too focused on Kinect. While I don't play Kinect (tried it, didn't do anything for me) Microsoft has hit a home run with Kinect. From a business standpoint, I see no reason why Microsoft wouldn't push Kinect. Personally, I just wish there could be more of a balance for the company between focusing on Kinect and their core gamers who made the system what it is today.

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ABizzel15317d ago

@ Logicwins

You pretty much said everything I was going to say. MS knows they already have as much of the hardcore audience that really need, and so now their focusing on scooping up some of the Wii audience with Kinect since many of them are probably ready for the next thing. The thing is the Xbox 360 has been out for a while now, so will Wii owners look at it as something new, or skim past it and wait for the Wii U (I saw a perfect example in Gamestop yesterday where they had the E3 conferences up and the Wii U came up, and the family seemed excited to get it when it came out since it worked with everything the Wii already has).

Moving back to MS, I think it sucks for the hardcore. It shows MS focus on them is second now that they're pushing Kinect as much as possible. This year is an amazing year for 3rd parties with tons of the best franchises receiving new releases and MS has a few exclusives. And that's all you can hope for next year. Get a PS3 or Wii if you're looking for new experiences, because MS's focused on Kinect, recycling current franchises, and 3rd party so they can get ready to launch the Xbox 720 soon.

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Jinxstar5317d ago

I don't doubt your numbers are off at all Logic but if your going to make "factual" statements like "Gears 3 is the most pre ordered game in the world" provide a link from some kind of credible source. Not just "gamestop says on twitter" or something like that because... I have never seen that kind of information divulged to the opublic. Worldwide preorder numbers from every retailer?...

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firemassacre5318d ago

Because they know they have the hardcore crowd covered

that part made me laugh

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LOGICWINS5318d ago

As I said, numbers don't lie.

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lashes2ashes5318d ago

numbers have nothing to do with it. gears and modern warfare 3 will come and go shortly and outside of halo4 the core line up on 360 is crap. i own both systems and dont really feel like there is much for me on 360 anymore. i used to play most games on 360 and now i very really use it. im looking forward for some hardcore kinect games but Microsoft showed they hardcore kinect games are like the star wars kinect game. i think i will pass on that crap.

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LOGICWINS5318d ago (Edited 5318d ago )

"i own both systems and dont really feel like there is much for me on 360 anymore. i used to play most games on 360 and now i very really use it."

And I know half a dozen people who think the opposite. Most of my friends, except me(I only own a PS3) have both consoles and they prefer their 360 over their PS3 hands down.

Everyone has opinions.

"gears and modern warfare 3 will come and go shortly"

What exactly do you mean by that? Don't ALL games come and go?

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firemassacre5318d ago

NUMBERS DONT LIE.

then farmville is the greatest game of all time.

(. ) ( . )

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Rainstorm815318d ago

fire massacre dont forget Wii sports and Wii Fit some of gamings greats cause numbers dont lie....O_o

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Aarix5317d ago

Hate to say logic, but logic doesn't count when dealing with ps3 fanboys

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death2smoochie5318d ago

I just want to see how MS is going to implement Kinect in the Next Xbox.
Well it be built in?

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aviator1895318d ago

I'm wondering the same thing. That'd actually be pretty great if ms does indeed go down that route. Well, great for me and my kids at least.

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BrianG5318d ago

I'm half tempted to say hopefully not.

Do you want to put your Nextbox on top of your TV? Or dead center in front of your TV for optimal performance of the embedded camera?

They could always ship a smaller, slimmed downed, possible upgraded version with each console though. Sort of like a second "controller", with controller in " " for obvious reasons haha.

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firemassacre5318d ago

haha nice 1 rainstorm81

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Solid_Dave5318d ago

All I want to say is, Gears Of War is better than COD. Oh, and I think that Kinect is pretty cool.

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Gen0ne5318d ago

Yeah, I kinda agree with both those things. I like Gears better than COD and Child of Eden is proof that the Kinect ( can ) be cool.

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Der_Kommandant5318d ago

Focused in miking the shit out of kinect

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bobrea5318d ago

Wow, what an original idea for an article.

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Gen0ne5318d ago

I love my Child of Eden, I wouldn't want to play that game any other way actually. But, it's a long time coming before anything of substance accompanies it. And no, Dance Central doesn't count. Not because it doesn't count, I just personally don't need it. I don't think they're focusing too much on it. It's what they've decided to focus on concerning it, that I'm not particularly impressed with. A little too casual for my tastes. Not all of it, just too much of it.

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drsnobby5318d ago

1ST and formost kinect moved alot of 360,s and MS is going to push kinect to the very end.the core games are gonna be there no matter what.nintendo went total casual and now there trying to win them back with the Wii U.kinect exended the life of the 360,so alot of attention is being focused on kinect.don,t forget casuals outnumber the core this generation.

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gcolley5318d ago

kinect is not as good as they say though unfortunately. it kinda sux

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phoenixdown5318d ago

right microsoft?

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gcolley5318d ago

yes they are. kinect this round should be a development exercise and not the main attraction as it simply is not ready. not saying it is broken, just not up to MS' marketing message. i think next gen will be a huge improvement, so focussing on it so much right now could jeopardise the future kinect, the kinect they have promised but not quite delivered. speaking from experience here as I dust around one on my TV every week and havent turned it on for 3 months.

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FlintGREY5318d ago (Edited 5318d ago )

They're doing exactly what any other company does that tries to sell a new product. They have games for the hardcore covered already. People just want something to bitch about.

Leave them alone. Let them sell their product. Let them be the billion dollar company that they are.

GET OVER IT BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kinect is here to stay whether you like it or not. Either don't buy it, or find an alternative that fits your needs.

Edit: LOL thanx

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Gen0ne5318d ago

Is that supposed to be 'Get over it bitches'? Because 'GET THE OVER' doesn't quite work. You might wanna hit the old edit button.

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spektical5318d ago

yes they are too focused on kinect. Honestly, who can blame the company for its new direction? They hit a gold mine, and they will continue to feed it casual games like DisneyKinect and SesameKinect, etc etc. Its going to sell like hotcakes. Some casual games are really fun, but when you are just dropping shovelware ala Nintendo style, its going to get bland rather quickly.

More importantly, they are not supported the hardcore market as much. Unless 360 fans are ok with Gears of War, Halo as their only core titles... ( i dont consider COD hardcore anymore, since cod4.) Sure there will be multiplats, and a couple other third party exclusives. But I'm just saying SONY and NINTENDO keep pumping unique first party titles into their libraries.

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drsnobby5318d ago

could u name some 1st party titles on all 3 conles that moves hardware?

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2v15318d ago

all!!

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spektical5317d ago

gt5 for sony
mario for nintendo

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Why o why5318d ago

Ill repeat what i said the other day, sorry for the spam people, ipad sucks at quick editing

Sigh...anybody can pull a quote dude. I noticed you missed greenberge's array of crap talking quotes but you've stated MS aren't innocent so kool i only mentioned it because you said something about focusing on the negative an all that.

'Unnecessary skepticism'....really?

Closing and disbanding studios.

Having less studios than they began with, 500 mill (alleged) on Kinect

More kinect games announced than core exclusives at the main gaming trade event.....

Rare announces kinect game instead of Killer Instinct

6 plus month gaps in retail (non kinect) exclusives, c'mon man.

Its not all doom n gloom but MS have shifted their focus and keeping the people who want to believe alls well with the same 4 games. Multiplatform games dont come into this as they have always been there when both hd consoles were released so that point is full of holes.

MS is relying on multiplatform games to appease its core whilst they court our younger siblings and mothers with their 'casulation' from the avatars to the dashboard to kinect. How can you not see it furthermore how have you not seen some of n4g's most ardent 360 followers express disappointment over the past year for the same reasons im stating. They cant ALL be ps3 fanboys or kinect haters can they?

Multiplatform games are NEEDED, many of the great games this gen are in fact multiplatform games but wasnt the point about MS's 07/08 lineups being the best evar because of the exclusives...why move the goalposts now? You dont close studios and expect to magically create games. MS decided that it wasnt financially viable to fund the upkeep of studios...it opted for paying for timed exclusives and dlc and sometimes a combo of the two. Thats how they appease their fanbase and for some thats perfectly fine. Some people just want more games to choose from and they come in the shape of exclusives. Just look at the amount of comments made when a good game goes multi...some because of spite and sheer fanboyism (both sides) but some because another game gets added to their pool of potential games. If ps fans dont want to play dante's inferno, they may play god of war; prototype, infamous; baja, motorstorm etc, yes MS fans can also say crackdown gears, halo, fable but you catch my drift... some people love x genre so much they buy em all, you think they're complaining because theres more choice? MS has been lessening the need for the 360. Im not getting rid of mine, gears is coming but all the multis are just that so i can play them on whatever.

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Why o why5318d ago (Edited 5318d ago )

I hear you and theres nothing wrong with your preference at all. My gripe is that im seeing a lot about what company should or wouldnt wanna switch with x, y or z. None of these companies care about our lives. If i fall on hard times sony nintendo or ms dont know me. All i expect from this consumer manufacturer relationship is games to play on a good system that will be supported. I see some of the comments about how much moola MS/sony/nintendo is making OFF US....lol if whoever wants to laud that but 99% of them get diddly squat from it from a financial aspect. IF ms is making soooo much moola wouldnt many of us expect them to handle the big kinect push alongside their oldschool core push.

Sony, according to some, are making less yet they're providing more to me especially. I dont hold a calculator, I hold a pad cause im a selfish GAMER not a stockholder or an accountant for any of em. I want sony nintendo and ms to fund more games and new ip's than i can ever play. MS dont have the means to do it AND promote like beasts no matter how much revenue people think they earn or they would also have a comparable amount of studios running. Likewise sony cant market and promote each of its many exclusives like MS does theirs AND keep so many studios going.....The model i prefer is obvious because i benefit more from it as a core gamer

Ill add that if people like deadrek 6's and bigpappy think alot of 360 gamers, not all but a lot of em arent pissed theyre totally out of touch. We're not hooked up to professor x's machine dude.....we cant show you more proof than what the commentors here say and many of the true core 360 crowd have already expressed this. Speculating on what games may of sold if they were released exclusively is stupid. You dont know it any more than i do but the trends seem to be heading to ms focussing more on k whilst relying on 3rd parties to give the core their fix

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bredstick655318d ago

From a retail manager... ...Xbox came out first and captured the market. Nearly every Jr. High and high school kid has it and that is why it sells so much software.

The Kinect was targeted towards moms during the holiday season on Oprah and Ellen that is why it sold so much.

These things HAD a major impact on the gaming industry but like most things the cream floats to the top.

Over the last couple of months the PS3 has outsold the XBOX with many 360 owners finally giving in to the fact that the 360 has little to offer. It gets harder every month to be loyal to a system that really does not know its identity.

Microsoft thinks that the kinect is their path to profit. The reality is the games suck. People keep buying games currently to justify the $149 they spent on it while the core owners of the XBOX buy PS3's and realize what it has to offer. The fact is the actual stand alone Kinect sits on shelves with little to no movement.

The consumer eventually wises up to the reality of the situation. Kinect is garbage. Seaseme street and Disney theme park games are not cutting edge. You as the controller is great in theory but terrible in reality.

Microsoft blew it. They had the industry in the palm of their hands. The majority. All they had to do was push out some great titles.

Instead they chose the average gamer and the quick fix to revenue. Consumers wise up to this eventually. Microsoft lose their core audience to the PS3 daily and what it has to offer. I have seen this over and over the last few months.

If the next Sony system hits the shelves at the same time the next Xbox hits who buys what? Casual gamers don't rush to the stores for the next best thing they wait for it to be trendy. Gamers rush and turn it into trendy.

What do you buy? I buy what has the most to offer... ..and playing a game as Elmo or touring Disneyland is not what I am looking for. By the way I have three kids 9,7 and 4.

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drsnobby5318d ago

Would u be so kind as to give me a link to back up your claim please :)

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Hicken5318d ago

Would you be so kind as to google, please?

Alternatively, would you be so kind as to use your common sense?

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Ddouble5317d ago

Very well said.

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femshep5318d ago

I don't see anything wrong with adding small kinect features to games (like Ghost Recon and the gun modding). It dosn't have to be a full kinect halo or gears but small pieces to make the bigger picture better. Its the simple things that really shine..

Plus someone has to step up and try to do something different or else we will all be playing the same rehashed game play for years.....change only happens when someone has the balls to make it happen

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EVO-OM3GA5318d ago

During the KINECT Launch and all the interviews after MS clearly stated 2011 was gonna be all about KINECT so why are we having this discussion?

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Seventh_Blood_Reborn5318d ago

"Is Microsoft too Focused on Kinect?"

No-no-no-no.

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Hatiko5317d ago

Uh, do we need any more confirmation of this except the fact that Kameo 2 and Perfect Dark Core were cannned so Rare could make Kinect Sports?

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Droid Control5317d ago

YES!

I supported Microsoft by buying a launch model of both the original XBOX and the XBOX 360. I continued to support them as a loyal customer.

Now, they have completely betrayed me buy shifting ALL their focus onto Kinect and the Nintendo Wii casual market.

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InTheLab5317d ago

A couple things based on what I've read so far...

The 360 IS supported by a ton of gamers that don't care about exclusives. As long as there's a Madden, FiFa, or CoD released annually, they're happy. As a multi-console hardcore gamer, I find this line of thought to be a detriment to the industry. "We support you for giving us less every year".

The 360 IS supported by a ton of gamers...true gamers that demand more from their console of choice. These are the people that want more quality games like Alan Wake and ???? Those people don't want to rely on multiplatform releases, especially this year when so few multiplatform games are any good. We've seen Dead Space and what? LA Noire. Two really good games swimming in a sea of crap. These are the gamers that are getting fed up with MS's treatment of their base...they're also the people the make up the other 45 million that do not own, nor care about Kinect.

For the price of Kinect alone, you can buy a Wii and have a similar experience. Mom and grandpa won't be out buying an expensive accessory just to pretend to work out. That ship has sailed.

Exclusives make or break consoles. The only exception seems to be the Xbox 360. Why? Media hype and fanboys. If you're happy with with the 360's current line-up 3 exclusives coming after an ENTIRE year since the last (Reach), then you are either a casual or a dedicated fanboy. Earlier in this gen, the PS3 was crucified for having a poor line-up of games, and rightfully so. The 360 is now in the same position the PS3 was, but fanboys, the media, and casuals have allowed it to escape the same criticism. Remember all of those "articles" on the top gaming consoles of all time? Would any of you place the 360 anywhere near the top ten with it's piss poor line-up of games from the past 3 years? Gears and Halo...that's all you have to look forward to which leads me to...People need to stop placing Forza along side the true giants from Microsoft. Bundles and major discounts are the reason why the series has sold what it has, which is less than 3rd or what Halo 3 alone has. We're talking less than 9 million for the entire franchise. Forza is not one of those franchises that people wait in line for or pre-order months in advance like Gears and Halo. It's also not a 6 million+ seller like Gears and Halo. It's a solid franchise with a great meta-score, but it is not a system seller.

As for MS's focus on Kinect, they really have no choice. There's nothing left of the other side of the business and they know it. They've ruined relationships with 3rd party devs and closed down most of their studios. They've basically done the same thing as Activision by only supporting guaranteed hits like Halo and Gears. The difference is, they don't have a CEO that's foolish enough to admit it.

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Aarix5317d ago

This thread is making me sick. Who cares what Microsoft is supporting. So there's only like 5-6 exclusives coming out. Who can afford to buy them all. Anyway there are so many good multiplatforms games coming out that it's a good year to be a true gamer. I believe a true gamer is someone who believes in exclusives up to a point. Bit I'd never trade in a console cause it doesn't have enough exclusives, only idiots do that. So Microsoft is giving a couple amazing exclusives and supporting the rest on casual. My hardcore gaming is satisfied. So stop b****ing and play your console of choice. Just shut up about it.

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OC_MurphysLaw5317d ago

This is definitely the problem a console company has when they introduce peripheral hardware late / mid life cycle of a console.

They have to support it full force otherwise it will most certainly die. However, the millions of fan base gamers who dont have said add-on will feel completely abandoned as the company is focused on the getting all to add that device. Its called splitting your base and I wouldn't recommend any company do it.

Sony did it with the PS Move but they have taken a different approach which is to not truly push the device but treat it as add-on tech here and there. Very few games "require it" and it does enhance here and there but on a whole its like just another controller. No real push from Sony to get you to buy it. MS had to push on Kinect since it was such a unique departure from the game pad. If they don't go all in on this, Kinect most certainly would die off much like their vision camera (which being honest was total shit).

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Venjense5317d ago

I definitely think MS is too focused on Kinect. The tech isn't there yet, Kinect can't really offer quality gaming experiences, either core or casual, the controls are far too limited and imprecise.

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JonnyBigBoss5317d ago

Throwing away the hardcore group and going more casual than Nintendo was a lame tactic. Thankfully, many gamers are jumping ship. $190 to play Dance Central is insanity.

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Legionaire20055317d ago (Edited 5317d ago )

I blame Nintendo for messing up this generation of gaming with motion control crap, that company created a trend that follows. Well at least Nintendo realize it abandon its hardcore gamers. Now Nintendo making up for it with the WiiU, a game system that should of been the Wii itself back in 2006. Back in 2006, Nintendo would of still won the console war if this new console was release back than. Kinect!!! What an atrocity that came to the 360!!! This is what will extend the life of the system? As if great games weren't the reason for the extension? With little to no exclusives 360's future is uncertain. As for Playstation on exclusives as usually, which is great!!! They treat their Move like a secondary device that's really not needed, because its a bit tag-on. Playstation 4 is a bright future for Sony, with 3 successful systems under their belt.

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TheKingslayer5315d ago

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I happily contributed during the Christmas sale.

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Eonjay4d ago

All are winners here. Especially Microsoft who actually has a audience now that will buy their games. While I do miss the competition from Microsoft as a consumer, it is nice getting those games without having to buy another console and get another subscription. I just wish they released proper physical games.

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Yup fully 100% agree with you. On one hand I'm sad the way Xbox as a platform as gone. On another hand as you said one console is all you need really now for majority of games.

Wish they did release this physically as well as age of empires, flight sim, age of mythology.

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Lightning774d ago

Xbox guys still buy games. Gotta kill this narrative.

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fr0sty4d ago

It's a hard narrative to kill when MS confirms it by having to reach out to other platforms in order to get sales.

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Lightning774d ago

@Frosty as usual you make no sense. With your logic then PS needs PC since those games are on there and HD2, deathstranding on Xbox. They're reaching out for sales because console is no longer enough.

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Agent755d ago

More reason for Microsoft to ditch Xbox and release on PS and PC. Imagine if Nintendo stopped faffing on with consoles, their games would reach eye popping sales, but they love control and that's losing them millions or billions a year. Mario Kart 8 and World on PS5 and PC, what sales would they hit?

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Sgt_Slaughter5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

This comment makes absolutely zero sense. Nintendo is never leaving the console industry as a manufacturer; they have the second highest selling system of all-time, and some of the highest attachment rate of any developer ever. The PS5 won't even touch Switch 1 sales, so why would Nintendo even entertain the idea of this? MK8D sold 70 MILLION UNITS on the Switch. That is the "eye popping sales" you're going on about, if anything Sony wants that for their games that they never get.

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Agent754d ago

What you're saying is, if Nintendo ditched consoles, it wouldn't make a bigger killing from releasing all of its games on PlayStation and PC, maybe even Xbox if Microsoft grows a backbone? Mario Kart 8 and Breath of the Wild as examples, what sales would Nintendo hit on PlayStation 5, PC and Xbox Series X? Nintendo could still bang on with controllers, joycons and cams etc. to bulk up its profits. Nintendo has been holding back its fans for years now when it comes to tech. Last time it was up there was with the GameCube and that generation, it was the second most powerful console, Xbox being top in terms of tech, followed by PlayStation 2 then Dreamcast. Average tech holds back AAA games, the Switch 2 is apparently up there with PlayStation 4 tech. I agree that the Switch has pulled off some amazing games, although some games were Wii U ports. I understand that Nintendo will never leave the console industry, but it most definitely has missed the boat when it comes to maximising game profits. Nintendo has only been on top (not handhelds) with the NES, Super NES, Wii and Switch, but the Switch is a handheld console, Nintendo skipped that generation and didn't release a home console and that's also the case with the Switch 2. The Switch isn't anything new to a certain extent, as SEGA's Nomad and Sony's PSP could be connected to a TV. Some gamers can't accept that Nintendo pulled out of the home console market with the release of the Switch, comparing to sales of home consoles is a pointless exercise. I don't care about PC gaming, but I hope Microsoft ditches consoles for PC and PlayStation. Most gamers are fed up with all these consoles and game sales at an all-time low, gaming does need a single format. One tech, we all choose which brand we want to buy and that's it. It has never done the likes of VHS, DVD and Blu-ray any harm and someone mentioned on here a number of years ago, owning a Sony DVD player, you could only watch Sony produced movies and play Sony produced music CDs.

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DivineHand1255d ago

I agree. Nintendo is leaving billions on the table. If they left console gaming behind and let us say released a mainline Pokémon game on android and IOS, in addition to console and PC, I cannot imagine the amount of profit they would enjoy.

Modern phones are good enough to play most Nintendo switch games so if they made a mobile controller that can interface with android and IOS phones, they could port games like Mario Kart 8 to mobile phones and other consoles. I am sure they would be enjoying sales from both their own unique controllers and the game sales itself.

The only thing they stand to lose is the 30% cut from all software sales being released on their system. Perhaps they believe they can earn more from that vs sales of their own IPs on other platforms.

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Agent754d ago

Mario Kart 8 apparently hit just under 70 million sales on Wii U and Switch, although that figure includes the game packaged with the console, so I'm not sure on single game sales (disc, card and download). No Nintendo console out there, I think Mario Kart 8 would've hit bigger sales when you add Android and IOS, which is a good point. Nintendo's games don't exactly need ground breaking tech, but if that was there with a single format, Nintendo could then keep up. Don't get me wrong, I love the Switch and Switch 2, but PS4 tech games going into 2026 and onwards, again, it's a limited console from Nintendo.

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BehindTheRows5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Nintendo games already reach eye popping sales. In fact, neither PlayStation nor Nintendo really HAVE to put their games on other systems. Even Sony's PC releases don't sell anything big (outsold of outliers like Helldivers II).

That said, I agree about Microsoft with Xbox. Outside of being a gateway to Game Pass, they should drop the platform and cut their losses. Stick it out as a 3rd Party pub and make bank that way.

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so what.. just have PlayStation in the console space? Great news for innovation and pushing each other to be better.

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neutralgamer19925d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Yeah it makes way too much business sense for these games not to be on PS and PC. If it's 300 million Sony got 90 million from simply allowing the sale of the game. MS need to get the development house in order so these games can come out at the same time that's when you make real big money

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Eonjay5d ago

This is correct. There is a lost sale aspect by not being available day and date on PlayStation. Halo is day and date so everything else should be too. This may not be possible all the times but they are not served at all by taking the Forza 6 route. No one is buying and Xbox or getting GamePass to play the next Forza. When the realize this they will just enforce day and date for all games.

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Eonjay4d ago

Halo is coming out after FH6...

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VenomUK4d ago

@Wommens @Potdy Keep creating those alt accounts!
The truth is Forza, Gears and Halo and Starfield and the WHOLE SLATE will be going to PlayStation.
Microsoft has sold more copies of Forza on PS5 then it did on Xbox Series S/X.
The RAM price rise could lead to the 'Xbox PC' being delayed - if that happens Microsoft might not release it at all.

Stop running defence for a trillion-dollar company that doesn't know you exist.

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maximusprime_5d ago

The way I see it, most racing gamers prefer playing on Playstation. It has been so since PS1.

As I said before, that Forza Horizon 5 would do well on PS5. So I was right

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Sgt_Slaughter5d ago

Racing games have primarily been an arcade + PC endeavor in-terms of popularity. GT and Forza pale in comparison to the decades of arcade/PC simulator racing games that defined the genre. iRacing, Assetto Corsa, Rfactor, NR2003, Automobilista, GTR 2/GT Legends, GPL, GP4, Daytona USA, Richard Burns Rally, SEGA Rally, Virtua Racing, etc..

Console games have only just started on the path to comparing to them, but even then, the physics on PC are unmatched.

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BehindTheRows5d ago

Again you don't know what you're talking about. Daytona/SEGA Rally, as examples, never sold ANYWHERE NEAR what GT has and has never been as popular either (particularly in EU). Put out a new Daytona and GT8 and watch the latter absolutely dog walk it in sales. On top of that, most of those games are very different from one another. They can co-exist. If you want to go there, the highest selling "racing" series is Mario Kart. Hint: console. It hasn't been an Arcade + PC > console for a very long time.

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badz1495d ago

all those games combined didn't sell as much as Gran Turismo

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slate9118d ago

What is even the incentive of upgrading to the next-gen after this console generation we've had? Graphics are plateauing, prices at an all time high, studios skipping entire generations or simply releasing just one game for it...
Its a mess

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Jin_Sakai17d ago

Been gaming all my life. This is the worst generation ever.

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jznrpg17d ago

How do you gauge each generation? There has been a lot of really good games this gen. I only care about the games. First party hasn’t been the best but the generation isn’t over yet

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DarXyde17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

jznrpg,

Thing is, every generation before this one has had something that defined console identity. Very little beyond bigger/more detailed games and performance modes are really there.

I feel the last generation that cared very much was gen 7; Capcom's darkest era, but I have to give them props for being really experimental at the time. We saw plenty of new games that still tried to do something new. Outside of Metaphor and Clair Obscur, this gen has been pretty forgettable if you ask me. I'm sure a lot of it is the corporatization of the industry and the creative talent has to keep making sequels and spiritual successors because the cost of development is out of control. But even then, plenty of these experiences are experiences we've had already. And the thing is. Switch 2 and PSVR2 could really be doing incredible things, but it's just not there. Xbox I just don't see the value or point anymore but that's just me.

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anast17d ago

Why has is been the worst? I've been gaming all my life and this gen. has been one of the best.

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Vits17d ago

Not to mention that just like this generation, the next one will also be shared between the current and next gen console at least for a couple of years. So the few titles that it will had, just like this one, will run on the console you already have.

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franwex17d ago

We will be getting games on PS4, PS5, and PS6, haha.

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Extermin8or3_16d ago

I think people have to remember the pandemic at start of this gen and how it effected game development. This next gen we will see the PS4 etc support dropped and truly see the full utilisation of SSD's improvements to ray and path tracing and the impact of AI upscaling etc will be where the biggest improvements will come from.

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isarai_lee16d ago

My sentiments exactly, next gen has got to prove it's worth before i buy into it this time. This has been the weakest generation in my 30yrs of gaming. From the drawn out cross gen garbage, to so many games getting stuck in development hell or canceled, to the ABSURD levels of trend chasing to the point of self destruction, this gen just wasn't worth it

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thorstein16d ago

I'm pretty sure I've already read a story that said Playstation is only halfway through this console's generation and that PS6 is a way off.

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darthv7217d ago

Im good with next gen being pushed back to 27/28. It feels like this gen has only just begun.

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Melankolis17d ago

Covid-19 held back everything at least 2 years worth. Although many people disliked, i think only UE5 can generally distinguish this gen from the previous one.

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DarXyde16d ago

UE5 is definitely impressive, but I would also give the nod to the current version of Decima, at least the way it looks for Death Stranding 2.

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CornholioX17d ago

That's normal how you think. Time goes faster when you're older and i bought my PS5 since day 1 release and now it's 5 years old. I don't mind a year delay to release PS6 in holiday 2028.

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DoubleYourDose17d ago

Tomorrow isn't promised to any of us.

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Eonjay16d ago

I was under the impression that next gen wasn't coming till 2027.z u9gsq

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victorMaje17d ago

Regardless of RAM price increases, I strongly believe there’s still a lot of potential left for the current gen. I’d be fine with at least 3 more years.

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jznrpg17d ago

Whenever it comes out is fine with me. I still have backlog for the next year at least

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Abnor_Mal17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Here we go again with my comment not posting but saying server error and my comment still waiting to post. I hit send again and it says comment already posted, refresh the site and my comment is nowhere to be seen.

This site has gone down hill and something needs to be done to fix all these crashes.

My orignal comment is in my comment history but I can’t copy paste because it’s longer than what can be seen.

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1Victor17d ago

How can a gen be delayed it hasn’t been announced?
Anyways I don’t mind a 2028-29 release of next gen we already had a18 months delay with the Covid problems

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CornholioX17d ago

Because everyone expects a next gen console at the release in holiday 2027 which at that period, PS5 will be 7 years old.

PS1(1994) to PS2(2000) = 6 years
PS2(2000) to PS3(2006) = 6 years
PS3(2006) to PS4(2013) = 7 years
PS4(2013) to PS5(2020) = 7 years
PS5(2020) to PS6(2027-2028) = 7 to 8 years.

A possible announcement for PS6 in 2026 but with RAM prices, it could be delayed.

PS5 was allready announced in 2019 with not so much details which COVID didn't happened yet or not even a word to speak of it. PS5 controller was first shown in (March?)2020 during start of COVID lockdowns and PS5 console was shown in June 2020 and release in November 2020 during COVID. There was no delay during COVID. It couldn't be so much in stores during chip shortages and that took longer than 18 months.

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CRASHBASHUK17d ago

i understand sony have stock piled ram for the ps5 could they also done it for the ps6 i wonder?

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DefenderOfDoom217d ago

What is crazy is that this generation of consoles might still go up in price . I believe that millions of gamers have not upgraded to this gen due too prices not dropping.

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CornholioX17d ago

PS3 was the last gen console to drop prices but not so low compared with PS1 and PS2 era had. I remember the last years for PS1 when PS2 was allready on the market, PS1 was lowest like 100 euros and PS2 also same when PS3 was on the market for years. PS4 had only 1 price drop: from 400 to 300 euros.

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Blad3runner0017d ago (Edited 17d ago )

We don't need better graphics/hardware.

Some of the best games this generation didn't have high end current generation graphics. Heck, some had PS4 or even PS3 level graphics.

A lot of the games this generation that had the best graphics were either sub par, or it was not the reason that made them great. (Heck, no game that just has amazing graphics and nothing else, is great)

How can people say this was one of the worst generations ever when we have had games like:
Baldurs Gate III
Cyberpunk 2.0
Elden Ring
God of War Ragnarok
Horizon Forbidden West
Silksong
Hades II
Clair Obscur
Kingdom Come Deliverance 2
Blue Prince

That's just quickly off the top of my head.

Just from that short list above have been the best games in the last 10 years and there have been many more, especially from the Indie or AA scene.

All next generation is gong to do is make AAA studios continue to produce slop and have graphics as the 'selling point'.

This has been one of the best generations IMO (short list above and many more games).

We don't need new hardware to make great games, we need more creative and passionate developers.

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Silly Mammo17d ago

I've been gaming since the Atari 2600 and I'd put Cyberpunk, Clair Obscur and Elden Ring in My Top 10 Favorite Games of All Time.

I do hope it's delayed. I don't believe they've squeezed everything they can out of this generation's hardware yet. Remember Sony released TLoU at the end of the PS3 generation and Ghost of Tsushima at the end of the PS4 cycle.

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franwex17d ago

Some of those games are from previous gen, but I get what you mean.

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hiawa2317d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Good, I am fine with the current consoles and now add the handhelds like ROG Xbox Ally X and the others, I am good with the consoles and now add, steam, multiple store fronts and PC games, and my on the go gaming is fine so no rush for any new consoles as my gaming goes. Been a gamer since 1979 and have owned almost every console made since. We have certainly seen many issues this gen like Covid, A.I., supply chain shortages, chip shortages, the election, tariffs, but given all of this I have too many games to play on my consoles and handhelds, so yes this gen has been challenging but definitely not the worst as there are many great, quality games and this gen is not over, and 2026 looks to be an awesome year for games.

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anast17d ago

I'll get into next gen. late. I don't feel like getting hustled because of artificial price increases. I'll probably grab something a few years in, unless Bloodborne 2 drops or something. I mean, I'm still playing Cyberpunk.

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gold_drake17d ago

all for it

I feel like ive been chasing sale after sale since everything is so damn expensive

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gold_drake16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

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bRuud8316d ago

I have no problems with the delay. I just hope my 4,5 years old PS5 will make it until the realease of the PS6.

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Flenter16d ago

I'm fine with my PS5 at the moment

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Lionsguard16d ago

This will be perfect timing for them to push streaming games.

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MetroidFREAK2116d ago

I wasn't gonna move on anyway

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HungryBoi16d ago

Good, we barely have any proper exclusives for the current generation. This gen is far from over

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blacktiger16d ago

I'll never buy anything ever again especially from Microsoft and Sony not a fan anymore with backward compatibility is horrible.

Steam machine can be more expensive I still wouldn't care. Steam is now my console and my digital store front!

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Forza Horizon 6 marks the end of an era for Xbox, but could result in the best entry yet

maximusprime_|17d ago |Opinion piece|32|

It could be argued that it was the release of Forza Horizon on PlayStation, and not the news that Halo is coming to it, that heralded the real end of the console war.

Halo’s brand power has been on the wane for some time now, especially given the lukewarm reception to Halo Infinite when it was released four years ago. Every time a Forza Horizon game is released, however, it’s always up there as a legitimate Game of the Year contender.

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darthv7217d ago

This one will be special. I can feel they will put lots of respect to the environments and scenery.

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LucasRuinedChildhood17d ago

I think that the map in this one will be the strongest since Forza Horizon 3.

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Neonridr17d ago

5 was amazing though.

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DivineHand12517d ago

I hope they go all out with the presentation since the last game was a cross-gen release.

I can't wait.

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Reaper22_17d ago

Best open world racing games ever. Cant wait to see what they come up with. Microsoft struck gold when they purchased them.🤘

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maximusprime_16d ago

One of my PSN friend actually worked on Forza Horizon games. I played with him on LittleBigPlanet years ago. Really good at designing some LBP levels. He's lucky to work for top team.

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TheColbertinator17d ago

Finally we get the series to Japan. This may be the first Forza Horizon game I have fully enjoyed since FH3.

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__y2jb16d ago

Even as Xbox dissolve into a third party morass, I still find myself not wanting their games. It’s a combination of not wanting to give them money combined with their horrific insistence on having me sign in before I can play the game I just paid them for.

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Michiel198916d ago

right on, especially sony for retroactively adding psn sign ins for helldivers 2, preventing people who already bought the game from playing when sony didnt have psn in their country. They had to get reviewbombed to not steal the game from people who already paid for it

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Reaper22_16d ago

I guess he chose to forget that one.

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fsfsxii16d ago

One of the most overrated racing games ever, the open world is often nice, but the driving mechanics are a snooze fest, cars feel like they’ve rubbed oil on the tyres to make them slide everywhere, any hit on gas pedal and car goes sliding like its Initial D, the devs have never heard of traction, as it is with every iteration, it feels like driving a sled instead of a car

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Reaper22_16d ago

Forza Horizion is not a racing Sim. It does have some sim elements though. It sounds like you've never driven a vehicle on dirt or gravel. You hit the gas you will spin and slide all over the place. There is no traction. There will never be a game that can replicate real traction. Its a game, bro. Its meant to be fun. Are you expecting to smell burnt rubber as well.😳

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Agent7516d ago

Forza Horizon overtook Forza years ago. Forza and Turismo are boring now, same old tracks each time. Arcade racers like Ridge Racer and Project Gotham are dead, but so much better when it came to tracks, more so Ridge Racer with its fictitious tracks. Major revamp for Turismo and Forza. I still say the only classic Turismo was the 3rd game, Turismo 4 was decent. After that, Turismo 7 got the series back on track, more so due to VR2, but still falls short with the same old tracks and mentioned.

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__y2jb16d ago

Outrun 2 is still the best racing game of all time.

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Reaper22_15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

Not even close to Horizon or Forza. Mario Kart is the king of racers.

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