Whats your point? those games had different teams working on them that has nothing to do with other devs. Who mentioned those games?.

Like I said what is your point AC and COD4 versions were being developed along side eachother so I know they will take full advantage of each platforms hardware providing the look and the way a game runs that I'm use to(COD4 has already proved its not all washed out on the 360 version). PS3 being the lead platform is a bad idea and would lower the quality of the 360 versions.

There is a reason the games on the 360 end up better port or not no matter the source of it(doesn't matter if the port's from the 360 or PS3, 360 still pulls ahead).

Every developer has pretty much stated this fact. Hell Sony stated this fact as well. And has anyone done anything to change it? Not until recently.

Cool now I hope more 3rd party companies will they change there minds. You can do some amazing things on the PS3. Already shown from the 1st party companies. =D

You just can't port 360 games to the PS3 without losing along the way.I didn't buy my PS3 to play games made on the 360.

Midway doesn't make any worthwhile games so whatever.

ill just like to say Stranglehold was delayed 5 yes 5 times for the ps3...goood day

Assassins Creed and COD4 hopefully will be the beginning of this.

are starting to catch on to what Factor 5 and 2K Games have said for quite some time. Either having PS3 as the lead platform, or creating two separate teams with different engines, is the only way to go if one expects to have great performance on both versions of a title.

Since when did Midway have a say at anything? Have you all seen their recent offerings? Jesus Christ... And NO! I am not trying to bash on the PS3 here. I'm being pretty serious.

They should just learn to develop for the PS3 and keep up, why should Xbox-360 suffer delays it does not have to just so the PS3 can buy more time?

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ill just like to say Stranglehold was delayed 5 yes 5 times for the ps3...goood day

"This is what we've been screaming.
You just can't port 360 games to the PS3 without losing along the way.I didn't buy my PS3 to play games made on the 360."

Tough because thats mainly all you got.

Like EA would give a crap.

It is not that the ps3 is hard to develop for it is just that games that where design for the 360 have trouble run on the ps3 because it was bulit differently and requires more work so it can run on the ps3 smoothy

im still waiting for u to back up what you claimed.u said all ps3 games including first parties have framerate problems.please do tell me and the other ps3 owners which first party games have these problems.im waiting.cuz ive played just about everyone and none of them do.WERE WAITIN MR GREEN

Agreed this is part of my point. Game quality would go backwards the 360 development resources and tools plus its capability is carrying and pushing the PS3.

Every 360 game would be three shades of green, brown and yellow and useing rail system movment animations like Uncharted(PS3 has issues due to it not being able to do as much visually etc at once what this guy is saying is devs should handi capp the 360 verion so PS3 won't cause issues at the 360's expense.

what you guys fail to understand is that by going with the PS3 as lead developers can rest assured that anything they do with that game CAN an WILL be done on the 360!! but with making the 360 as lead, the system performance they got out of the 360 they cant get out of the PS3 which then turns into delays trying to get the game running up to par!! its harder to have to cut things from a game than it is to be able to ADD things to a game!! build on 360 first you have to cut to make it work on PS3, build on the PS3 first you can ADD to make it the SAME or better on the 360!!

Financially is risky... since any potential delay the PS3 version would have would dramatically impact the xbox 360 version ... delaying also their ability to make money at least with one platform while he get the other working...

Developer standpoint... it does make sense... as a developers is usually better to write code starting on the platform with the lowest common denominator...

as indicated by this developer, "help mitigate some of that risk in frame rate, memory, technology, ..."...

Example... if you are making a software for that needs to support windows 98... it's better to write your application for windows 98 and later upgrade your code for windows XP, Vista...
I have not heard any complains about developers NOT being able to port some functionality or experience any performance degradation when porting to the xbox 360 from the PS3... we only hear that the problem when porting from the xbox 360 to the PS3...
the frame rate issues are obviously related to the non unified Memory of the PS3...

There is one risk that can affect PS3 gamers...
Obviously when a game is ported from the xbox 360 the game is being pushed beyond what the PS3 memory can handle... now since the xbox 360 version is up and running... developers have to try to make it as neat as the already working xbox 360 version...

Now... if the PS3 is the base platform.. developers will not need to try harder.. since they will add game assets or dumb down the game assets until the frame rate is not an issue...

A game ported from the xbox 360 to the PS3 not performing same as the xbox 360 is an indicator that developers need to optimize their code for the PS3... what will be the indicator now?

Expect developers not to optimize PS3 games.. developers will not push the PS3 hardware...

Xbox 360 games will be dumb down or will look better since they will have wherever the PS3 (base platform) version have.. plus extra..

Just becase the PS3 is the primary platform does not mean better... some developers create great games regarldess of what platform is the primary... take a look at COD4... for example..
take a look at 1st party PS3 game developers... for the most part.. no frame rate issues...

that's not the solution.... they should probably try creating 2 separate teams.. specialising on each individual system... cost money.. but it's the only way.. to fix this problem.

Want another example? Virtual fighter... PS3 was the primary platform... what happened?

i guess u dont own a ps3.much more more on screen at one time than in 360 games.heres an example.in the end of heavenly sword u battle 1000 thousand enemies on screen with three diff fight layout plus catapolts and things being shot at you.u really are misinformed my friend

Is the smartest person in here with the only post that makes any sense. #23 Agreed.

why would dev's want to waste time and resources to start games on the ps3.starting the game on the ps3 first won't stop the game from being delayed.most games being made for the ps3 only are still delayed and still has issues.look at VF5 the game was released in feb and it still had issues. making games for the 360 is easier to make and less expensive. and they can see a return on their investment.becuase most sonyfanboys are interested in movies not games. thats why software sales are so low.

And a smart move too. Since PS3 only owners like myself would hear the reviews and stuff beforehand, we see the new upcoming games and say nah. But if they are released at equal times then the dev gets more sales and both sides get a good game. Hope more studios jump on this as well.

So that means the Xbox 360 people will be forced to have to wait for games like the PS3 currently does. And the comments here scream the typical Sony arrogance.. ME FIRST!! Like some screaming spoiled child. You think you have problems now Midway, start catering to the lowest install base and start releasing crap ports on the 360 and your business is done..

Still this is just one developer who made the AAA title Stranglehold(sarcasm) so far from a company shift.

Sony is paying for fake praises
Soooo midway ,
Good luck with your lead Ps3
Hope you sell your games well on that platform.
Doubt UT3 will sell over 1 Million on PS3.

Didn't Burnout Paradise developer Alex Ward at Criterion say the same thing almost 2 years ago when they announced PS3 as leas platform for Burnout Paradise.

It took 2 years for othe devs to finally understand what Criterion long ago.

This is basically saying that the 360 can handle any PS3 game so why not start things on PS3? because obviously the reverse cannot be said (PS3 cannot handle every 360 game w/o cutting things out, or stuttering issues).

Why do people think they can spin this? This isn't putting PS3 in a good light in any way. It's almost like they feel sorry for it, so they'll develop on it first, so the more powerful system (360 or PC) can then accept the port.

I don't know any more simple way to put it. I'd hate to think of the PS3 holding back games for the 360, MS would need to step in on this, it's not their fault that PS3 is crap for gaming.

So, Sony may get their wish, but not because of any SUPERIORITIES of the PS3, mainly because of just the opposite.

developing for the ps3 is forcing game developers to think outside of the box and to up off the warm bench theyve been sittin on all these years and most arent liking the challenges at all. I say the hardware that sony brought to us this generation is what the whole gaming community needs. the mass is just reluctant to catch on,they are too comfortable with what they are used to. i say push the envelop and bring on real advancements not just crisp new graphics. just my opinion, thanks for reading!

The ps3 was the lead platform for PES 2008 so what's the excuse now??? The ps3 version is pretty much unplayable with all the framerate issues while the 360 version is as smooth as butter.

What are the excuses now?

the PS3 the lead platform for VF5 ?

really does not mean much..well maybe a little but as you can see the 360 gets the better version of the game.

Plus the PS3 was the lead for PES 2008
http://forums.gametrailers....

so if Konami still making errors, what makes you think being the lead platform, things get easier or any better.

Both of these games have prove it wrong.

Its about porting code, not system power. And Blade saying that the PS3 is the lowest common denominator ... POG called you smart but what you said is quite stupid. I could write a smooth app on PC and then make a crappy port of it on the Mac. This is why a parallel environment is the way to go. Porting code to the 360 would also be much easier given Microsoft's tool kits and support if its not feasible to have a parallel environment.

This is why I think first party will drive the bus this generation. Developers want to make the best games right? What better way to showcase the system than through first party. You can quote me on that. This will help dictate the lead platform choice going into 08.

Made some edits to my points to help clarify since I'm typing this on a blackberry

By the way, the PC was the lead platform on PES2008 and of course the arcade was the lead platform for VF5. Sega acknowledged that the PS3 version was a rush so they matched version B to the pixel (arcade perfect). The 360 version of VF5 is version C of the game with extra texture improvements and additional lighting. Nothing more. In a sense, the 360 version is an improvement over the arcade version of VF5.

yea baby ps3 is the new lead sku and i know we will se this more and more as time goes by.

definitely the way to go, make a superior version with 50GB space first, then dum it down for DVD9 last.

You know what that means?
PS3 version- 1 disc
360 version- 3 discs

a dev has some common sense!

At last....hope many devs read this and actually pay attention to it ;)

Everyone would benefit if MP were 'ported' from the PS3 to the 360 instead of the contrary. That way no one would get shafted, and there would be a pretty big chance mP games started selling tons of copies on BOTH systems ;)

I think everybody wins like this because porting to 360 from ps3 is easier than porting from 360 to PS3 so this is good for everybody.

I talked before about this issue, its much easier to take PS3 game and port it to 360 then it is to port a 360 game to PS3 ... its because porting the game to PS3 your turning 1 task into many tasks ... so either the coding is all done from the ground up or use poorly optimized code (SPUs) which results in the CELL having downtime (PPU)thus bad framrates ... But give it a little time and it will be completely different situation. It's going to be where that the fully developed PS3 games will not be able to be ported to the 360 even with the best comppression tools they can use (with out using mutiple disc). And this would also be a bad move because that is old technology.

i just love how xbots get so upset when PS gets positve news. then they come on here and talk as if they know more than the devs.

Considering that I have both PS3 and 360 I can say that I did not buy my 360 to play games made for the PS3 and vice versa. That's why I'm glad both systems have their exclusives to set them apart. As for the multiplatform titles, one can only hope that they have separate teams developing for each console. If not, I'll just buy the version that I feel is best.

Additionally if a developer thinks that it would be easier to develop on PS3 first and subsequently on the 360, I think it is pointless to argue over it. It's his opinion based on his experience. It's not the first time and it won't be the last. There are many that feel that developing on the 360 first is the way to go and it is pointless to argue about that too. Whichever way it goes just hope for a great game to play no matter which console it is on.

PS3 Lead platform...awesome

This Midway developer is completely right. It is a lot easier to downgrade a game than it would be to upgrade one. This way you won't shortchange the superior hardware.

they're just trying to get the thing to run on the "superior hardware".

are you serious??

some of you people are delusional..... it's crazy. Who said anything about upgrading or downgrading, they can't get games to run the same on PS3 when they start on 360. there is no upgrading, there is no downgrading, they're just crossing their fingers the damn thing runs....

its about time, obviously the ps3 is capable of absolute graphical beauty. play heavenly sword or ratchet, clean a$$ graphics on a very young system, not even reaching its full potential. I love it!

Thanks for stating the obvious.

Now after all this mumbo jumbo, please
Will someone show me something better then uncharted, no framerate issue, none of that crap, so why is this game looking better then anything else we've seen to date, care to explain anyone?
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Its makes all of your points about PS3 rather moot, that being said, Naughty Dog said they were only using 30% of the PS3s power
^^

Duh....this is about stopping dealys. Its obvious that the Ps3 is the one thats delayed so if you develop for that first the delays will stop. It's a no brainer.

Well Im with-holding judgement until I see the results.

can be argued with. The PS3 is harder to code and is the superior console so do it first then port to the 360. It makes all the sense in the world. All the companies that are going to be making things multi-platform will be switching to this over the next year.

The PS3 is a little harder to develop for and the 360 is a no brainer. So devs will concentrate more on PS3 than 360 because of its harder to develop for interface.

Also, all this talk about downgrading is dumb. Its not a competition to see which port looks better, its a PORT, not a rival matter. The ports should run the same on each console. No need to dumb down anything.

As of right now, other devs should actually follow Midway's strategy do the harder task first and then the easier task after.

Oh yeah, the devs that don't see this move by Midway as a good thing are crazy and lazy. They would rather work on 360 first then make a cheeezzy port to PS3. Bilder even says it himself that the 360 version will have no loss in quality!

This is where Ron Simmons Says...DAMN!

So they handicapped their method of release in order to help the fledgling ps3.

Multicore programming is new. The way they need to program for PS3 will actually make the code run better on the XB360 as well. This has been confirmed by many devs. Good move - as the coding for multicore will improve - and we will get better games.

Now Midway has to degrade the quality of 360 games and make 360 and Wii fans wait like a PS3 fan, all because the PS3 is peice of sh!t. Can we say throwing the sh!ty PS3 a bone? Guess that means while the 360 version is done collecting dust, we wait wait wait for the PS3 on it's short bus to catch up. All this so the PS3 can get a hand out because it's on the failing end of the three consoles.

i read that naughty dog are developing tools for ps3 to help 3rd party devs and they are giving seminars too.

they are a good example of what you can do on ps3,but it is sad other devs cant figure this out on thier own.

man this iz a sony site 4 tha ages god really now u sony gnomes r excited about midwy endorsing u guys really now MIDWAYYYY lol wow i guess u guys have 2 be excited by sumthin since theres no games on that crappy system of yours thats way u people flood this site everyday lol=)

I would guess three comments above me would even be worth it.

this will be good for the industry because consoles need competition.

this is a dumb move from midway...not obly from a business standpoint,but because it was stubborn sony who built a system that didnt have developers in mind...what this would do is essentially the same thing as the ps2/xbox ports did..it would give the 360 dumb down ports,because of the ps3s issues..not only that but because ps3 games take so dang long to make,it would delay 360 games...luckily for gamers this well never happen,because developers love building games for the 360,and they hate the costs,trouble shooting and issues with the ps3..the ps3 games well always have issues,because of the terrible hardware/

Ever hear of a game called Splinter Cell? Going by xbot logic the Xbox was the lowest common denominator since it was the lead platform for Splinter Cell games. Further xbot logic would indicate that PS2 wasn't the lead system for Splinter Cell development because it could handle anything the Xbox could.
Obviously this logic is completely wrong, as is the logic of PS3 being the lowest common denominator for game development. But what else would you expect from the brainwashed peabrains of the lemmings that are stuck with only one console? They can't be reasoned with.

Now that Jim Ryan is gone just need to remove Herman Hulst from his position! And maybe give Shuhei the position he deserved.

This gen hasn't been the best for games, last gen consoles are still out there and now there's been talk of the PS6 and Xbox Two for a year or so. Many games this gen will be ported to next gen and the cycle will continue. The re-release of the Neo Geo AES+, games on cartridge for £70 ($95), gaming is going back in time. Gaming has gone pricing mad with the high cost of games, consoles and controllers. The men and women at the top are clueless.

It’s always interesting to hear behind-the-scenes stories like this, especially involving veterans like Shuhei Yoshida and leadership figures like Jim Ryan. That said, there are usually multiple sides to decisions at that level. It could be less about not “listening” and more about differences in long-term vision for PlayStation. Yoshida played a huge role in shaping the brand, so whatever the reason, his impact is undeniable.

If true, and I'm inclined to believe it is, it goes to show that Sony lost their way when they became more western/didn't respect the PlayStation origin story. Andrew House and Jack Tretton did great work, but they also didn't try to fundamentally change the PlayStation DNA. Ryan oversaw the death of Japan Studio and a live service direction.

I already figured this, good lord imagine if Shuhei took over instead, would've been a platinum era 😩

I miss the first three generations of PlayStation. The way they turned PS3 around, we knew they meant business. We were all worried for a bit there around launch. Eventually from 2008 they started shifting slowly. But since Yoshida was fired, it's never been the same. Still enjoy my PS5 daily. I got a backlog dating back to PS2 lol So I'm fine but new games aren't as appealing anymore.

It seems like we were thrown on to the worst timeline possible where everything is too expensive and the wrong people were put in positions that makes the world a shitty place. We could have had Shu as the head of PS but we got the shitty alternative. Same goes for everyone in power around the world. Doesn’t matter the company or country the majority of us got the shitty picks and the world is declining like never before. I do think PS can come out of this because of their studios, talent and IP but they need someone more in touch with gamers leading things like Shu was. They’re still the best place for console gaming imo but it could be much better than it is especially without the massive live service failures. The rest of the world I have a lot less hope for right now. Hopefully the pendulum swings back towards the good ole days but I’m preparing for the worst.

There goes illuminati distraction story

So now there's certifiable proof that Ryan was in fact "fired", as opposed to when it was first announced that he "retired", in order to save face.

There's another guy who recently "retired" as CEO of another large gaming company, after doing a dismantling job as lead for well over a decade.

seems legit, the business man, fires the one who has ideas to move the business forward.

Jim Ryan is the reason why we are entering year 6 since the PS5 launch and many of us don't feel like the PS5 has gotten started as yet.

I hope going forward, we will see a return to form.