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Microsoft, Quit Trying to Sell Me a Kinect

Gaming Irresponsibly's guest writer Adrian speaks his mind regarding the Kinect coverage at E3.

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fluffydelusions5472d ago

Pro tip: Don't like it, don't buy it.

zeal0us5472d ago

I have learn if you dislike Kinect or anything thats related to it. That its best not to post your opinion b/c all it will end up getting a barrage of disagrees.

SilentNegotiator5471d ago (Edited 5471d ago )

So we just ignore it, and we're supposed to be happy about getting Gears of War 3, a halo remake, and uh.......um......yeah....for the rest of the year?

There's nothing wrong with expressing discontent with Microsoft not servicing the audience that allowed the 360 to succeed in the first place (The first, oh 40 million people, not that many /s), while making games for 5 year olds and over-complicating (Making us jig our feet in a direction to move for those action games) or oversimplifying (Vague motions for nearly automatic kills in Fable, waggle for Star Wars on-rails) everything else.

darthv725471d ago

for an add-on it sure is getting support. Unlike add-ons in the past where they made a big deal and got released and then.....crickets.

Besides, the 360 is a 99% 3rd party driven system. That 1% that MS contributes is trying to show the love for both casual and core alike. I still dont know which is worse. That kinect is what it is or that MS was the ones to release it.

We know how people feel about MS so maybe they are expressing that through the dis-kinect for kinect.

kingdoms5472d ago

The hate is really starting to pour in. Translation is *please Microsoft keep kinect as casual as possible because we all worked so hard convincing media and other haters kinect is for casuals and trying to turn core 360 fans against kinect would be all in vein and even make kinect more unstoppable*

Sunhammer5472d ago

Defensive Kinect users are funny. Have fun with Sesame Street, little kid.

zootang5472d ago

Do core 360 fans really want Jazz hands for an FPS on Kinect??

B1663r5472d ago

Kinect is going to be even huger this xmas than it was last xmas, that much is clear.

The number of people being critical of it who obviously have ~never even tried it~ is also telling about the strength of Kinect.

Also, the absolute silence about the xbox as a stand alone media center is telling as well.

But having said that, welcome to the one bubble ghetto here on n4g, such opinions and observations of obvious duplicity are not tolerated here...

kingdoms5472d ago (Edited 5472d ago )

Well look ps loyalists disagree LMAO

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Sure you are! and your dates are mixed up and many games are missing from your lists.

banned_nope5472d ago

what are you talking about? im a 360 owner and is really disappointed with what microsoft is trying to offer.

did you see the pattern last year?

2010: halo, gears, forza, fable, kinect
2011: halo, gears, forza, fable, kinect

did you see the difference? we;; if you are blind, the difference is only the year.

you are one 360 fan that should be ashamed of yourself if you will continue to just nod agreement to what microsoft is trying to sell us.

Perjoss5472d ago

usually when something is rubbish people tend to ignore it, can anyone explain why Kinect articles attract so many comments? :)

Apparently Kinect is so bad and insignificant, yet people still rush to post comments about it, quite strange.

Biggest5472d ago

Your translation is WAY off. Why would anyone ask Microsoft to keep Kinect as casual as it is? They are doing that on their own, bro. Don't blame the people intelligent enough to save $150 for something more desirable. If you're having fun with Kinect and look forward to groundbreaking features from the 90's (like Mass Effect 3's voice "control") or Disneyland and Sesame Street games, do you! Don't let us mature gamers bother you or your obviously awesome Kinect.

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Solidus187-SCMilk5472d ago (Edited 5472d ago )

"whiny journalists, stop trying to get people to not buy kinnect"

Do you honestly expect a company to stop trying to sell something because YOU dont want it. especially after it sells 10 million to people who do want it and all these fake "journalists" have been crying and crying about seeing more "hardcore" kinnect crap, now they dont want to see anything at all. Same thing happened after showing steel battalion and stuff.

I hate all motion controls including kinnect, but Im not butthurt about it like this person is. I live in a capitalistic economy, I pass on buying crap I dont want every day. I guess this guy gets tempted to buy it every time he sees it, so maybe he cant do that.

You only will see this type of article for MS tho, you will never see one asking sony or nintendo to stop tying to sell you their stuff.

nnintendo, stop trying to sell me the WiiU. LOL yeah ok.

BenEViolent5472d ago

20 Years from now when we can control our lawnmowers and vacuum cleaners with finger pointing and voice commands, we will thank kinect developers for iterating on the technology.

Moral of the article is "They showed us too much Kinect." But, gamers are just the onlookers of E3, that press event was for the money holders. Money holders like Kinect just as much as they like Halo 4. They don't care if you don't want to invest one option as long as you care about the other.

If you know anything about gaming you know that the real meat and potatoes is out on the show floor anyways and the press conferences themselves are just a song and dance.

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Bigpappy5472d ago

They are never going to stop trying. That is their job. Now if they were calling your house and sending you junk mail, I would understand your position. Them giving the option and doing demo's is what they should be doing.

Godmars2905472d ago

Well, same as Sony with Move, They're adding/forcing Kinect functions to popular titles despite saying "they'd only do so if t made sense."

And yes, I'm "pointlessly" bringing up the voice commands in ME3 argument - *AGAIN!*

Just thing it would have been really nice - much like this whole HD gaming generation - some honest thought and consideration had been put into motion controls. Not just corporate me-tooism and PR crap.

soundslike5472d ago

Move is casually there if you want it, there's no denying its a niche accessory that people don't actually need. Thats part of the appeal, really. Gamestop employees care more about trying to force you to buy it than Sony.

Furthermore, move capability doesn't have to be as dedicated as kinect. All they have to do is translate the aiming and give custom control options. Thats hardly "me-too".

Kinect has just had too much money poured into for MS to fold and say its a dance machine, so they keep doubling down...

..what if that money went to first party support?

BenEViolent5472d ago

@soundslike

If it went into first party support you'd end up with another game in a sea of other games. Another few boxes on the wall.

Reality Check: Kinect Adventures alone (not the kinect itself) sold as much as or more than Halo Reach.

Chuk55472d ago

This is so stupid. They're a business who have invested in a product, they want to make money on it. That's it.

blitz0x5472d ago

Yeah just like Nintendo did with Virtual Boy. Totally understandable.

BenEViolent5471d ago

Except millions of people bought Kinect. But go ahead making comparisons as thought it didn't.

Urmomlol5472d ago

They're not selling it to you, they're selling it to children and their parents.

Get over yourself. You're not the only gamer in the world.

AdrianHD5472d ago

Ryse and Fable: The Journey are for children?

agentxk5472d ago

Ryse looks cool, Fable? I am still weary after 3...

Sunhammer5472d ago

Both rail shooters that look like PS2 games.

AdrianHD5472d ago

Before people comment on this thinking my point is moot, consider my point: the 360 platform is slowly turning into the Kinect platform. Microsoft's E3 keynote showed this when we got Halo 4, Gears of War 3, and Halo: Anniversary as exclusives compared to Dance Central 2, Fable: The Journey, Kinect Disneyland, Sesame Street, and Kinect Fun Labs.

Sure, this is a business, I don't have to purchase it. With the way Microsoft is going with their exclusives, it makes it seem like we're leaning one way or the other.

Urmomlol5472d ago

So it's half core, half casual that core gamers still might enjoy.

I really don't see what the issue is.

LOGICWINS5472d ago (Edited 5472d ago )

"Sure, this is a business, I don't have to purchase it."

Precisely..so whats the problem?

"With the way Microsoft is going with their exclusives, it makes it seem like we're leaning one way or the other."

When did Microsoft disallow you from playing Gears 3, Forza 4. Saints Row: The Third, MW3, Dead Island, AC: Revalations, Supremacy MMA, Mass Effect 3, UFC Undisputed 3, Rage, and Tomb Raider?

A game doesn't have to be exclusive for you to enjoy it(well..maybe on N4G, but not in the real world) With the dozens of great 360 games(exclusive/multiplat) that are on the horizon, I don't see why your complaining.

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IronFistChinMi5472d ago

Kinect Fun Labs are just apps and are free. They don't count as an exclusive.

ceedubya95472d ago

While they my seem lighter on exclusives compared to the other two companies (hardcore exclusives that is), exclusives make up such a small piece of the pie. Kinect is a big seller for them, and of course they are going to push it hard and support it.

Don't care for Kinect stuff? There are still plenty of games coming to the 360 that don't need a Kinect. Lots of high profile games too. I could probably think of at least 12 exclusive and multiplatform games coming out between now and December that I would want to buy if I only had a 360, but more than likely won't have the money or time to play them all.

I guess if I only played exclusives, then I'd be upset I guess. But I just care about playing good games, period. Who cares if its on the other console or not. If I only have one, then I play the game on the console that I do have.

AceofStaves5472d ago

I don't agree that exclusives are a small piece of the pie. They define a console and are a major selling point for people to purchase a system. I'm not going to buy a 360, PS3, or Wii to play multi-plat titles I can play on a console I already own.

Lack of exclusives that interest me is the reason I don't own a 360. That's why I watch all the Big 3's pressers from each E3. I like to see what they have coming down the pipe to gauge whether or not I want to purchase another console.

ceedubya95471d ago

You have a good point Ace. For gamers like you and me, things like exclusives can be a driving force for console buying decisions.

But you have to remember that gamers like us make up such a small portion of the gaming population. The majority of the people that have gaming consoles more than likely don't care about an exclusive game as much as they do buying a console that they can buy that has the games that they can play. Most of the exclusive games we rah rah about on here don't matter to the general public.

Bigpappy5471d ago

No. You got it wrong again. It should be Kinect is slowly becoming an essential part of the 360 platform. There fixed. Now that makes sense.

As is is right now, it is not essential. It is just an option.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio34d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing34d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9234d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit34d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing34d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9234d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay36d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn236d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn235d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown36d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay36d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay36d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac35d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger36d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300036d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde36d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde35d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

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Agent7537d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_35d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.