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Wii U: The Next SNES

After a month of rumors and speculation, Nintendo finally unveiled their new home console, the Wii U, at their E3 2011 press conference. Featuring an innovative controller that sports a touch screen, speakers, microphone, front facing camera, buttons, analog sticks, and triggers, the Wii U has loads of potential when it releases sometime next year. Wii U has so much potential, in fact, that it may be the next SNES.

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NESpower5463d ago

I actually read the article and he makes valid points.

"Something very similar is happening with Wii U. The machine is a graphical powerhouse, much like the SNES in its heyday. Wii U utilizes a Power 7 series chipset from IBM that is clocked at 264 GFLOPs. In comparison, the PS3 features a chip that outputs at 216 GFLOPs. Nintendo's next gen console is rumored to make use of a modified Radeon HD4850, giving it much more power than the PS3. The next important factor to consider is the name. Just like the popular Nintendo brand name in the 80s and 90s, the Wii name is very powerful."

stragomccloud5463d ago

I wish I could say I'm surprised by the fact that most people here on N4G only seem to read the headlines without actually reading the articles...

Vicodin5463d ago (Edited 5463d ago )

"264 GFLOPs"

This is just a cut and past from the Power 7 Wikipedia article referring to a hypothetical 4.14 GHz 8 core version of the chip.

It has nothing to do with the actual performance of the chip in the Wii U.

Whether the SNES comparison is valid or not, the technical points in the kid's article have no basis in reality.

Sarcasm5463d ago

Despite the fact that nobody has seen the actual hardware specs.

Something tells me once MS or Sony drops their next consoles, the Wii U will be out powered.

However, to defend Nintendo I cant wait to see and play their first party titles (Zelda or Super Mario). They will still look amazing by today's standards if the Wii U even has PS3/360 graphical capabilities.

Vicodin5463d ago

"the Wii U will be out powered."

That is a certainty. Even the pie in the sky high end server version of the Power 7 chip is only slightly more powerful than the PS3's Broadband Engine Cell chip.

The actual Power 7 based chip Nintendo puts in the Wii U will have less cores and be clocked lower due to heat and cost constraints. But the rendering hardware will certainly have a higher fillrate.

It will most likely end up being pretty close between the PS3 and Wii U in realworld performance. The PS3 will be stronger on the Cell side while Wii U will have better pixel pushing power.

Kewl_Kat5463d ago

It would be the most powerful console because Sony and Microsoft haven't released theirs yet. By the time Nintendo releases the Wii U, it wouldn't have any next-gen competition. The SNES at its time already had the Genesis as its rival. With that alone, any SNES-Wii U comparison should be discarded. When Sony and MS do finally come out with their consoles, the Wii U should then be compared to, I don't know, maybe the Wii?

MaxXAttaxX5463d ago (Edited 5463d ago )

It's not about "power". It's about the gaming experience it can deliver.
I HIGHLY DOUBT this will touch the SNES when it comes to that.

Ok, I'll take back the "try too hard" comment and exchange it for "way overexcited to the point of making crazy ASSUMPTIONS".

Active Reload5463d ago (Edited 5463d ago )

"Something tells me once MS or Sony drops their next consoles, the Wii U will be out powered."

Duh...especially when they're practically taking a wait and see approach as to what Wii U specs will be, which means the longer Nintendo holds out on spec info, the longer it'll take for MS and Sony to even begin to show signs of their consoles being introduced. It would be silly to come out with a console that's underpowered when they'll have time to see what the competition is brining to the table.

ChickeyCantor5462d ago

"The PS3 will be stronger on the Cell side while Wii U will have better pixel pushing power."

Wasn't the Cell also helping with certain gfx calculation? In conjuncture with the GPU?
I do remember reading something like this.

Vicodin5462d ago

Cell 'helping'?

That doesn't make any sense. The Cell SPUs + RSX is the GPU in the PS3. It's one unified system.

The SPUs do most of the heavy vertex transforms,lighting,physics,an imation,etc.

The RSX does the pixel painting.

The RSX can do vertex transforms too but it is best used for static geometry.

And the SPUs can be used for pixel operations, but it is not their strong point.

HappyGaming5462d ago

Oh please so was Wii 1 a "POWERHOUSE" when it was released to compete against PS2?

This gen is almost at its peak Sony will soon release a new console that will make the Wii U seem like a Wii 1 again!

Wii U could be next generation for all we care but its not going to compete with the next PS4 when it comes to power thats for sure...

mysterym5462d ago

"That is a certainty. Even the pie in the sky high end server version of the Power 7 chip is only slightly more powerful than the PS3's Broadband Engine Cell chip."

Don't talk daft, a 5+ year old chip has similar processing power to a 2010 released state of the art IBM processor? Post your specs that back this up - are you simply counting cores? The cell is nothing but a bunch of indiviual DSP's whereas these are fully fledged cores with different prefetch caches etc.

You'll be telling me next that "TEH CELL" will keep up with an i5 2600k next?

I've been working in computing architecture and coding for the last 15 years, the amount of
rubbish i read on these forums is incredible.

Suck it up, the wii u will be more powerfull but thats just the way of the world and constanly evolving hardware and reduction in manufacturing costs.

solidworm5462d ago

trouble is bro by the time this ships that tech will be barely minimum requirements.

N4g_null5462d ago

The trouble is the next step takes two current top of the line geforces. Oh I'm sorry 3 of those. Those cards are $600 a pop. Yes that's $1800 worth of gpu. Then devs want 8gigs of ram which is $200-300 I believe. So if you want Sony to stomp the wiiu then your looking at another $700-2000 console lol. Then on top of that if they use the cell again we are looking at just sequels to exclusives.

Hey you know the cell is so powerful that Sony still sells intel chips in there laptop? Right why not go the apple route and put this " powerful" chip in a laptop? Maybe because an i3 could beat it at every day code but blu ray would look gooddddd.

Brand loyalty real decreases tech knowledge. Who getting that great new Sony tv! Best new ip and tech ever!

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VampiricDragon5463d ago

power is irrelevant in terms of system sales and making great games these days

Kurt Russell5462d ago

A lot will disagree with you but I don't. PSN and XBOX LIVE download games have been far more orginal, creative and playable than the majority of disk based ones.

HuGi5463d ago

With outdated graphics and next gen coming in 2013 Wii U will be as much dead for 3rd Parties as Wii was this gen.

xCaptainAmazing5463d ago (Edited 5463d ago )

You're dumb. Anyone with any logic can see that a powerhouse console hitting in 2012 will do just fine in the next gen, even if it is the weakest (PS2 anyone?). Expect the next Xbox and PS to be more powerful, but if even one of those launches in 2013 (only one year later), there will be no issue with the Wii U getting 3rd party support, especially with Sony declaring it will not invest as heavily the next time around. You're just an ignorant troll.

Edit: In case anyone has a problem, my "powerhouse" statement is comparative to the current console market, and not the gaming PC market, as they often don't run nearly in the same direction with advancements.

Otheros005463d ago (Edited 5463d ago )

Your comparing it to "current" when it's supposed to be an "8th generation" console. Fail.

Your bragging now because Wiiu is more powerful than "current generation" consoles. When the other two next gen consoles come out you're just going to go back into your cave again.

Edit: HAHAHAHA!!! Doesn't have a soul. *wipes tears*

It's weaker than "2 years old" pc. It is NOT more powerful than what is currently out. If it's close to current generation it is NOT next gen. Nintendo games stop being fun half way through last gen.

xCaptainAmazing5463d ago (Edited 5463d ago )

I guess you're dumb too. Power isn't everything, and if it's more powerful than all current gen consoles, it's next-gen by very definition of the word. Go away, please, and come back with a real argument. Anyone that doesn't like Nintendo plain doesn't have a soul, or enjoy the fun nature in gaming.

Comparative to the current console market means it's more powerful than all current gen. All I said was that I exclude gaming PCs because nobody can compete with them.

If the next Xbox and PS are more powerful, which they probably will be, nobody will care except some idiots. Of course it will be more powerful if it comes out after, but that doesn't mean you can't get a next-gen experience on the Wii U because it IS MORE POWERFUL than what is currently out there.

Next gen doesn't only apply to the most powerful if all of the consoles are more powerful than the previous generation. People have selective interpretations that help them sleep better at night. Superiority complex probably because they're insecure people, either because they were made fun of at school, think the world is flat, or the opposite sex doesn't find them attractive.

It's like some people can't recognize that even though you own a PlayStation, you can still have a Nintendo character as your favourite, or love Halo. Everyone needs to stop trolling on no merit. It's infuriating. The machine is solid, it has support, gaming isn't meant to be a pissing contest, play what you like and don't troll others unless they troll you.

Kos-Mos5463d ago

Well said Captain, but you have to remember that the majority of gamers are people thinking like pre-pubertal teens, thus power over gameplay.

D2K5463d ago (Edited 5463d ago )

Top five best selling console of all time are as follows.

(weakest)PS2 - 150 Million
(weaker than PSP) Nintendo DS - 146 million
(weakest)Game Boy - 118 million
(weakest)PlayStation - 100 million
(weakest)Nintendo Wii - 86 million

What do they all have in common? They all won their respective wars and they were weaker than their most direct competitor or the WEAKEST of their generation.

People can keep carrying on about how the Wii U isn't powerful enough and how the PS4 and 720 will beat it simply 'because' they will be more powerful if they want to. It's a good thing we can always go back and look at the FACTS that prove the exact opposite of that brain-dead hypothesis. It's a good way to put the spotlight on fanboys.

HappyGaming5462d ago

D2K well if something is weakest it is probably also the cheapest which means it is the most accessible...

People that don't know much about gaming will jump out and buy a Wii that is what happened this time around.

PS2 was popular because of the exclusives but no console is going to have so many exclusives in a generation that is turning so much to third party support.

As a hardcore gamer I am going to buy the most powerful console that can offer developers not just better graphics better resolution and better frame rates but also more room to play around with physics which I am hoping they will focus more in the 8th Generation...

PS - If the Wii U has about the same graphics as a 5 year old PS3... than that is clearly not aimed at hardcore gamers is it?

mysterym5462d ago (Edited 5462d ago )

"What do they all have in common? They all won their respective wars and they were weaker than their most direct competitor or the WEAKEST of their generation."

The gameboy and playstation were weakest at the time of release? Playstation and saturn came out together, and the saturn was the weakest, just look at daytona vs ridge racer.

The gameboy had nothing competing with it for ages - the original tetris anyone?

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StarCSR5463d ago

I beg to differ.
Unless 2013 brings TV's in most of the people's homes that can display more than 1080p. And that won't be the case. So offcourse the PS4 and "720" will be able to bring more power. But since it won't matter for the majority of the households 3rd parties will look upon the Wii-U as they do with the 360 now: most common denominator.
I'm quite positive next-gen will have a LOT of multiplatform releases on all three consoles.

Sitris5463d ago

All the more reason to stay away from MS and stick with Sony and Nintendo, they have great and established game studios continually making great game franchises.

StarCSR5462d ago

I also think that MS will have the most difficult "next gen"...Too bad for them. 360 was my first HD console. But Sony and Nintendo are bigger...

N4g_null5462d ago

Pretty much every thing is in the wiiu that developers want along with access to nintendos fans. Faster frame rate and hd what else do you need? Oh and all physics are faked(animated) or limited to large bounding boxes.

Now if these guys can make some fun interesting games again. The next jump will not be affordable till 5 years later anyway.

milohighclub5463d ago

I think they've made a wrong move, they should have mated out the tech sold at a loss then when next gen hit the console would be cheap and maxed sales.

AWBrawler5463d ago

too much of a gamble. they did right!

George Sears5463d ago

Nintendo always gains profit unlike Microsoft and Sony so I doubt they will have problems with this one.

milohighclub5463d ago

But now they will be a gen behind come next gen and will have the.same lack of dev support as they do now.

Mini Mario5463d ago (Edited 5463d ago )

@milohighcluib

"But now they will be a gen behind come next gen and will have the.same lack of dev support as they do now. "

Ah no actually ps4 and xbox3 will be late to the party. The usual life of a console is 5-6 years or so (sometimes less), from the nes era onwards at least.

Sony and MS put alot of coin $$$ into there systems,.. so it seems they need a little more time to play catch up ;-)

N4g_null5462d ago

No ms and Sony messed up. They have sub hd consoles that don't get good framerates and it will take a ton of money to out do what they currently have. At best they can get like 10-20 more frames out of the new systems. Maybe a little better chip but the clock can not go any higher there is a heat barrier.

If Sony goes nvidia again they will almost bankrupt the gaming arm of Sony. If they reuse the cell they risk bad ports yet again. The jump to the next ms or Sony console will be similar to the jump from hd4900 to the current high end hd6000 almost nonexsistent yet maybe a better frame rate, yet the wiiu already has that cOvered.

The only thing left for Sony and ms to do is to make better games. That is their only chance.

AWBrawler5463d ago

Yes, This could be the next SNES, because I viewed the Wii like a new NES, and this one even kept Wii in the title, so:
Wii U is to Wii as SNES is to NES

Solbadguy5463d ago

Wii U will be the next Dreamcast.

EYEamNUMBER15463d ago

wii u doesn't have a SEGA logo so i don't think they have anything to fear

jacksonmichael5462d ago

The Saturn didn't sell like the Wii. Plus. Can you resist HD Zelda? Can you? :)

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The Last Console Generation?

With the recent unveiling of the Wii U, and internet chatter talking about PlayStation 4 and Xbox 720 being unveiled (if not released) next year, it looks like we will be ushering in a new generation of consoles in the very near future. But do we actually need another generation of hardware, and what do we hope for from the next generation?

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scruffy_bear5427d ago

Can't wait to see what MS and Sony bring to the next gen :, game's that will look like this will be amazing but the gameplay needs to match the graphic's

qwertyz5427d ago (Edited 5427d ago )

I hope next gen consoles have at least 12gb ram(ram is much cheaper than it was in 2005/2006. they will need it in order to handle Samaritan tech demo graphics the demo was running on 3 gtx580 (which have 1.5gb vram each) an i7(12 cores I'm amusing they used 3 quad core i7s) and I think 8GB ram.

AhmadCentral5427d ago

12GB of ram is not going to happen. Btw you can't really compare pc specs with console specs, they;re quite different.

Pikajew5427d ago

It won't be the last console gen. As long as there is innovation we will have consoles

Hicken5427d ago

I'll just agree with you here. I couldn't figure out how respond without sounding like a dick.

jacksonmichael5426d ago

Please let me know what your other comment options were. Lol.

Hicken5426d ago

It wouldn't have been nice; the very cleaned up version is that this is a silly article, written by a similarly silly person.

EVILDEAD3605426d ago

LMAO @ Hicken spamming inboxes with false information and then block responses because he's scared of the truth..

Fan Kids on N4G are hilarious...

On topic..the ball is already rolling..this gen is two years away from officially being done.

Pikajew is correct consoles are far from over..but who knows what gthe lanscape will look like 5 years from now

Evil

Hicken5426d ago (Edited 5426d ago )

lmao@ evildead stalking people while spreading ignorance as "truth."

Edit: Enjoy playing Uncharted and other console exclusives on your "superior" PC.

EVILDEAD3605426d ago (Edited 5426d ago )

Superior PC? What r u even talking about? I play Uncharted on my Slim just like anyone else who OWNS and plays games

Fact..you send me messages in my inbox..and when I call you on your fake facts.like you can't even name the 20 exclusives you pretend came out..then you send some silly rant and block me like a little girl...LOL

Look..your not even worth a bubble or even close to following..because your simply a one console fankid who doesn't even play the games he talks about. You've never even played Gears but hypocritically say that the sequel is the same game as the one before. Don't worry about a console you'll never play. Simply enjoy the games on your console of choice.

On topic..

WiiU will be released next holiday..The new Xbox will be in stores by holiday 2013..and Sony will follow.

The success or lack of success of the next gen will be known 5 years from now. This will determine the landscape. What will also change how we play is if Apple or others jump into the fray. By the we may by on Ipad 4 or 5..who even knows what products will compete with consoles.

Only time will tell..it's going to be fun to see how it all unveils

Evil

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meganick5426d ago

True, and as long as consoles offer exclusive games that people want, that you can't play on computers, then consoles will stick around.

zinkabassy5427d ago (Edited 5427d ago )

Maybe ,.. because gaming is getting to shit really fast,..
It used to be about games,.. now most publishers are more concerned how to leech money from us... Shit is always good for them,.. Nothing industry ever does is good for us,.. Hell you must agree to god knows what in eulas before you can even start a game,.. this shit is incredible,.. look at this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Will stop now, because everything I would say from now on I have written to many times today ,.. about monetizing advertizing and making gamers caught into their social systems instead of supplying them actual games and could be considered MS hate(because I really dislike them for 20years now),.

Shit is getting really bad really fast,.. And they have us in these fanboy clubs instead of some unity,.. and they are just fucking us left and right,..

and to predominantly PC gamers,.. (I am also a PC gamer) Don't think what these fuckers are doing to us does not concern you,..

nCiTy5427d ago

If anything I feel like consoles keep slowly becoming PCs.

Mr Tretton5427d ago

I don't think they're becoming PCs fast enough.

AWBrawler5426d ago

i prefer to keep those separated. I want my MMOs and RTS on my PC, and my Marios, Zeldas, and Smash Bros. on consoles

meganick5426d ago

I think it's more accurate to say they're becoming more PC-like, but I know what you mean.

jacen1005427d ago (Edited 5427d ago )

graphics wont make a difference in gameplay so unless other innovations are brought forward the gen wont move because graphics is not the key in generation leaps , pc's already exist if consoles keep upping the graphics and power eventually they will become pc's or on the other hand you would be better owning a pc because it is best of both worlds

SoapShoes5427d ago

What do you have to say for PC then? It keeps going forward and all that changes are the graphics... PC doesn't have innovative hardware to play games, it doesn't need it and frankly I don't think consoles need it either. It's all about gameplay and more power often does allow for new types of gameplay.

jacen1005427d ago (Edited 5427d ago )

ther is only one way u can play a game with a control so no power dosent make for different gameplay, on the other hand you would call what the wiiU is doing next gen.
also pc's were not developed originally to play games nor do they class there self as gaming consoles but consoles are gradually becoming pc's
also pc's dont get classed under GENS because hardware is evolving rapidly and pc's are constantly upgradable , consoles are not

N4g_null5426d ago

Pcs keep getting bought because there are apps out their where the name of the game is make millions in real money. So that's why you get the rush for pc tech. Right now there is not a reason to get the most high end video setups unless it helps you make games faster lol.

Yet console you are just waiting on content, waiting in the hype. On pcs you can just go and get a 3d app and an engine and go crazy if you want. On consoles your are waiting on the content.

The key for console has always been take the tech make fun games not wait on the tech, wait on the power, or ohhhhhh look at my powerful console. Yet thanks to none console friendly console makers real console game makers are being marginalized ever so more by web sites and gamers. You all know some thing is wrong but at least the graphics are good.

If power is your goal then you should just be a pc gamer. You guys are confusing developers.

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Why Bioshock Infinite Is Not Coming Out on the Wii U

"In a new interview over on IGN, Irrational Games creative director Ken Levine has announced that they currently have no plans to develop Bioshock Infinite, or any games, on the Wii U."- Shanghai Six

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maxcavsm5428d ago

Well, that's easy. Wii U is going to be a ridiculous gimmicky system.

qwertyz5428d ago

yeah the 3ds and wii are gimmicky but we still don't know much about wii u so I'll reserve my judgment for now.

theonlylolking5428d ago

Wii U is nintendos way of saying Wii F U

ChickeyCantor5426d ago

its gimmicky how?
It provides standard controls as well, there is just an extra input on there.

So what are you complaining about?

yavorsv5428d ago

who gives a shit. keep hating on nintendo. :)

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6 Uses for the Wii U Controller's Camera

Have you wondered how useful the Wii U controller's front-facing camera could actually be? Here are six ways games could potentially utilize it.

bojanson5431d ago (Edited 5431d ago )

i like the concept of this. Anything that wii can bring to the table that makes it more family friendly the better. I'm sure the way they incorporate the camera into profiles, games, videos, etc will be a great way to get people interested.

I just hope they don't allow the camera for online multiplayer, we could have another chat roulette on our hands. lol