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Microsoft Dropping The Hardcore? I Disagree

Richard Of UltimateGameGorilla writes: Recently Microsoft has been accused of leaving the original hardcore fanbase that got them where they are today in the cold. I was one of those people, harshly attacking the company for its new childish direction... but not anymore. Within the past few days news has slowly been trickling out that Microsoft is pushing for a number of hardcore titles on the Xbox 360. Some are exclusive while others are multiplatform, but all are for the core fanbase.

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asphogears5446d ago

Interesting list. There are a few titles that I did not know about prior to reading. I am eager for more information about Blood Forge.

captain-obvious5446d ago (Edited 5446d ago )

"Core Exclusives

Kinect Star Wars"

talk about stuffing the list

@below
screaming "light spear on" and then doing this
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
in front of the screen to kill a enemies that look at you most of the time and moves slower than a turtle

that's not hardcore dude
im sorry but its not

now if it was faster style hack and slash with regular controller and combos
NOW THATS a hardcore game

asphogears5446d ago (Edited 5446d ago )

I do not understand why people don't see the potential for this to be a core game. Fighting sith with a lightsaber and the force could be pretty f-ing cool. I have high hopes for this game because I am a big Star Wars fan.

saladthieves5446d ago (Edited 5446d ago )

@asphogears

Spending some seconds waving your hands in the air a couple of times just so that you can lift a droid spaceship and push it over RATHER THAN pressing a button does not scream the incentive needed to make this game a core game!

The novelty sounds awesome. It makes it sound like as if you have the force and this is what will sell the game big time. I saw the demo, it looked like a gimmick. It's an on-rails game. That alone should debunk it as hardcore. Moving around, having trouble turning the camera towards the enemy and just swinging a light saber??? Where's the depth? Where's the challenge?? Where are my multiple button combos that I'm supposed to unlock and stuff?? I love long gaming sessions, surely I'm not going to stand say for 4 hours swinging some imaginary light saber in front of the TV??

Star Wars is popular among core gamers. I personally loved KOTOR 1 and 2. Why does Microsoft think that Star Wars + Kinect = Sold to hardcore gamers??

RCargill5446d ago

Please.

If you could go back to 2005 and show people Kinect Star Wars would be one of Microsoft's major exclusives in 2011 no one would believe you.

grailly5446d ago

I still believe that star wars could have been a core game. playing with a controller, but using kinect for the force would be fun. swinging your arms just seems wrong.

Rainstorm815446d ago

Watching the demo for Kinect Star Wars made me cringe, it was so laggy and unresponsive and looked more frustrating than fun.

Everyone in the crowd must have noticed it too by the lack of applause at the end of the demo.....i mean come one sesame street's kinect game got more claps than star wars...

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saladthieves5446d ago

Not dropping the hardcore but shifting their focus more onto the casuals. This sudden focus is also lacking a balance between casuals and hardcore gamers.

From Microsoft's point of view, they will focus more where there is a potential to increase cash, and Nintendo has proven that the casuals will do just about anything. This is also causing Microsoft to close down/reduce the number of 1st party studios and think that multiplats and timed exclusive DLC will satisfy these hardcore needs, and leave them with more cash to spend on casuals and Kinect stuff.

They are a bit wrong with their perception of core gamers. They think that all core gamers are very dedicated guys willing to buy the latest thing from Microsoft, even if it is targeted towards the casual market. This is why they think that "Kinect Starwars" and a bunch of on-rails shooters will do the trick.

Notice also that they've slightly changed their strategy to make Kinect popular among the hardcore gamers: take popular core games and make them Kinect compatible like voice support for Mass Effect 3, head-tracking for Forza 4 or Tom Clancy future soldier. This is ironic because people were laughing at how Sony was just taking the Move and implementing it to their games, rather than making these games only playable with the Move.

One thing is clear: the traditional controller is far more accurate and capable than Kinect. Microsoft knows that hardcore gamers will always be smarter and will always choose the controller over hand gestures of Kinect. Imagine what would happen if Forza 4 was only playable with Kinect...it would be a disaster!

asphogears5446d ago

I understand that using Kinect instead of a controller limits the possibilities of the game but there is still a lot of time in development for improvement. I think that we are going to have to wait until more videos are available to finally decide if it is a core or casual game. This is just my opinion.

saladthieves5446d ago

@asphogears

There seems to be a problem with Microsoft though. They first of all killed many 1st party studios. Hardcore exclusives are few. They thought that the hardcore could just grab up Kinect, like their casual counterparts, which was wrong.

Take a look carefully, they don't have lots of hardcore exclusives. Even if you add in Kinect, they STILL don't have games. They are going to have trouble attracting the hardcore to Kinect due to the very nature of Kinect: It is fun, but it lacks accuracy and in the use of gaming, its functionality is sort of limited.

iamnsuperman5446d ago (Edited 5446d ago )

Did you watch the kinect star war demonstration. It was an on rail slasher. Not something I would call a hardcore game

asphogears5446d ago

Just because it is on-rails does not mean it is not hardcore. If the controls are polished then Kinect Star Wars could be pretty fun. My only complaint with it is how it is "Prequel Star Wars" and not "Good Star Wars". Slicing droids could be quite fun and using the force will hopefully be cool. Just my opinion.

iamnsuperman5446d ago

I respect that but the only problem there seemed to be no skill just waving your arms. I assume/ god hope there will be more types of attacks but that demo didn't help my faith in the game

asphogears5446d ago

I agree that the video did not show that many types of attack. The game is coming out next year (I think) so there is still a lot of time for improvement.

JsonHenry5446d ago

I gotta agree with the man of steel here. The Star Wars videos I have watched all looked like a casual game to me. It just had light sabers.

Qwert1175446d ago

Maybe after they release some videos of the player fighting some sith then this game will be regarded as a more core game.

fluffydelusions5446d ago

Disney Adventures is pretty hardcore...right?

Dart895446d ago

What you talking about of course it's hardcore so is cod:P.
http://youtu.be/7XzYDpAQ-xg

Qwert1175446d ago (Edited 5446d ago )

That was hilarious! Thanks for sharing the funny video.

Qwert1175446d ago (Edited 5446d ago )

A simple but good list of hardcore games.

Der_Kommandant5446d ago

That list is weaker than a 5 year old girl

LoaMcLoa5446d ago

I really don't know why, but that sounded wrong

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio7d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing7d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster927d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit7d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing7d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster927d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay9d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn210d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn29d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown9d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay9d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay9d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac9d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger10d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300010d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde10d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde9d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7511d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_8d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.