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MS: ‘We’ll never leave the core behind’

As evidenced by its E3 showcase, Microsoft is embracing a wider audience. But is it shafting the hardcore? VG247 spoke with Xbox UK boss Stephen McGill about that, Sony, and much more.

Zir05501d ago (Edited 5501d ago )

"Gears of War is massive. Forza is massive. Halo is massive. These franchises outsell PlayStation’s first-party lineup"

I don't think even PS3 fanboys can deny that. The difference between MS's exclusives are that they have MASS appeal similar to how COD has mass appear.

Sony has yet to make a must have franchise for the PS3 that can sell in the high multimillions.

@moegooner88
Considering GT has been around for 3 generations its not surprising it has a huge following. But what about new franchise from this gen, does Sony have a new IP which has sold even half of what Gears has?

moegooner88 my point is simply that MS's first party games sell better on average than Sony's.

moegooner885501d ago (Edited 5501d ago )

"Sony has yet to make a must have franchise for the PS3 that can sell in the high multimillions."

You mean Gran Turismo.

@ ziro what's ur point both Halo and Forza have been around since the original xbox as well and Uncharted 2 sold around 5 million copies, i am guessing that's more than half of what gears 2 sold( according 2 vgchartz gears 2 sold 6 million)

Why o why5501d ago (Edited 5501d ago )

No, i thought he meant uncharted. If not leaving your core behind means 4 game ips then ok. You cant enjoy that extra revenue but nintendo and sony fans can sure enjoy more games with a higher variety. Core game announcemts vs kinect/casual is stupidly high in the causual ends favor. You have to ask yourself why people are questioning ms unless its blatentely obvious a high number of 360 owners and factions of the gaming media have an issue

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solidjun55501d ago

"Considering GT has been around for 3 generations its not surprising it has a huge following. But what about new franchise from this gen, does Sony have a new IP which has sold even half of what Gears has?
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That doesn't make sense. Halo came out for the original XBOX in case you forgot. Forza also came out on the original XBOX and that doesn't outsell GT series. Gears of War came this generation and I give you that but that's the only one that came out this generation that proves whatever you're making about MS' first party selling more than PS3 first party. And in case you forgot , it's made by a 3rd party...EPIC.

Venatus-Deus5501d ago (Edited 5501d ago )

A large part of GeoW popularity is the fact it’s a good franchise, but you can’t underestimate the fact it was also lunched on the only next gen console, being the first with the next gen wow factor and with little competition from other next gen franchises.

If the launch dates of the PS3 and Xbox360 were reversed then so to would the sales of Gears and Uncharted.

ZombieAssassin5501d ago (Edited 5501d ago )

"These franchises outsell PlayStation’s first-party lineup"

Not really if you count every first party game that's been released this gen I don't think so....besides Gears isn't a first party game most people seem to forget that and MS don't even own the IP plus the first was on PC also. I mean both uncharted together is what 9 million easey, both resistances are about 6 million, Lbp 1&2 are 5.5m, inFAMOUS is 1.5m, GT5p and Gt5 is about 12m, Gow3 is 3.8, Warhawk 1m, Killzone 2&3 4m, Socom Confrontation 1m, Demons Souls 1.1m...and since xbox counts Gears even though it's not an MS IP just an exclusive I guess they could count things like MGS4 in with the sales which would be another 5m...so yea ps3 exclusives have just as many sales and more variety. The mest up thing too is I bet all of them put together didn't even have as much spent on advertising as Halo 3 did.

More on topic though, I don't think 3 franchises counts as taking care of the core especially since it's not a lot of choice and what if you don't like the 3 (I only like Forza and Gears, Halo is way overrated IMO). Not that they couldn't come out sometime soon and announce a whole bunch of new exclusive core Ip's I just don't see them doing that with all the money they've put behind kinect.

GfxPipeline5501d ago (Edited 5501d ago )

Sony's first party games have outsold Microsoft's first party games this gen by a massive amount. It's not even close.

Just a quick look at Sony's first party sales looks like they are in the 35-40 million range while Microsoft's are 16 million range.

Sony first party has had roughly double the sales Microsoft has even with the Xbox 360 releasing a year before this current gen started(and 1.5 years in Europe).

Inside_out5501d ago

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What's the debate??? M$ should of been showing a perfect dark zerp demo with the same level of fidelity as the Tomb Raider demo. Where's Blue Dragon and lost Odyssey??? Viva Pinata is an easy fit for Kinect. Mech-assault??? I mean we have been through this a million times. There are hundreds of IP's that M$ owns and they announce nothing.

I have a theory ( New console 2012, windows 8, windows7, Kinect and Skype all included ) about WHY M$ is not saying much but for now, why not put a little pressure on M$ to invest in more IP's. If they can drop 8.5 billion dollars on Skype, a couple hundred million will go a long way in the gaming industry.

malamdra5501d ago (Edited 5501d ago )

I don't know which statement is more stupid and false:

"the core love Kinect" or this one?

GfxPipeline5501d ago

Microsoft only had a deal with Mistwalker for three games. There isn't going be any more stuff from them for the Xbox 360.

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Eu5501d ago (Edited 5501d ago )

When they say that out sell first party lineup they mean stand alone or alltogher, because if its all togheter...sorry but not really. And they even bring Gears..who isnt exclusive at all with the PC versions wich got pirated to heel and up... And MS is still to beat Sony record of 1st party game sell tru (GT3 A-Spec with 14kk)...and lets not talk about variety and the FACT that those sell well all around the world and not just lots in US and meagger on the rest of the freaking planet....

OT: the focus on the Kinect front is just that IMO...abbandoning the hardcore fools who bough their POS hardware 3-4 times to try and make money before dumping them when the next Xbox come out...just my opinion on the matter, not a fact...yet...

M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L5501d ago (Edited 5501d ago )

Uh...but where are the new IPs? So the 360 can survive off of Forza, Halo and Gears? That's it? Nothing new? No 1st party RPG's or action games?

You see, that's why I chose the PS3. It actually has variety. If Microsoft continue to depend on those three franchises, in the future we'll see how long someone has a console when they see Sony coming up with new IPs from left to right.

Just my two cents.

BX815501d ago

It just depends on each gamer. I don't have any games currently for my PS3. I'm just waiting to beat the next uncharted then I'll trade it in for the PSvita. The 360 has a huge variety of games. Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean they're not there. The PS3 has a lot of games as well but GT5 was ok, Metal gear hasn't appealed to me since nintendo and I would much rather crap on little big planet vs. play it, GOW3 was great. I didn't play the others because it just looks like the same crap over and over. You talking about 3 ips but you're forgetting about the kinect. I thought they showed some pretty good range with the line up they have comming out. I'm looking foward to vita. I personally will play it way more then I even play my PS3.

Aarix5500d ago

Here's my two cents..

Just because one console has more exclusives doesn't mean it has more games. True gamers play games no matter what console it's on. Exclusive or not. Sure there are more ps3 exclusives but along with gears, there's dozen of quality games coming out this year for the xbox.

bicfitness5501d ago

They SELL BETTER because there are LESS franchises to choose from. 50 million people choosing from 4 core franchises vs 50 million picking from about 20 and yeah, you'll skew the market.

Obvious point is obvious.

I'll take choice over franchise fatigue any day.

Undeadwolfy5501d ago

+Bubs, you wrote was I just about to.

NewZealander5501d ago

my problem as a 360 owner is that the same exclusives all the time is getting tiresome, forza, gears of war, halo, fable, all great games, but MS give us something new apart from kinect.

Aarix5500d ago

Play some multiplatforms and shut up.

NewZealander5500d ago

aarix i do play multiplats, geeze that was rude.

solidjun55501d ago (Edited 5501d ago )

They said they'll never leave the core behind and I want to believe them. But right now, at least after E3, I'm not sure. Granted, I believe they'll release new IPs in the future and probably have some in the work that wasn't shown at E3.

Time will tell.

stonecold35501d ago

gran tursimo series had out sold all of halo and gears and forza series combined thought that would make you happy?

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vishant1015500d ago

and halo 3 will at the end of its life will have sold more then all three uncharted's combined imo ps3 best franchise

Kos-Mos5501d ago

When did quantity mean more than quality?

DeFFeR5501d ago

Who are you arguing for?

Sony? Why does more 1st party games mean more than the quality of MS 1st party games.

MS? Why does more sequels/sales mean more than the quality of Sony 1st party games.

Both arguments can be made with your point.

Be more vague, please.

Kos-Mos5501d ago

"Sony has yet to make a must have franchise for the PS3 that can sell in the high multimillions."said a person.

Do we real gamers need that multi million seller?
I think not.

The best games ever made are not the one that sells the most because complex games with depth is not made for the average gamer.

Thats my point.

asmith23065501d ago

@Zir0 if want you want is to go on sales then that exact attitude is MSs problem. Gears is done after 3, Halo is rehash after rehash and Forza even though I think is better than GT won't hold the same weight as the other two. Sony have LOTS of variety and they are never afraid to take risks. As a gamer I love that attitude. I never liked Halo, couldn't care much for racing games and I will get Gears purely because its the end of the trilogy but I am not really excited about it compared to some of Sonys games.

MSs E3 conference was an embarrassment and they are selling out the gamers who made the 360. Ill back Sony all the way from here on in, they have been through the shit and they deserve it.

DeFFeR5501d ago

No one deserves anything...

Every IP, every game needs to prove itself to it's consoles core audience... hype itself won't equate to a good game (HAZE effect).

I entered the "next gen" with my launch xbox in 05. I waited for PS3 to drop below $400 to pull the trigger, but I got one.

I'm happy with both consoles - the PS3 is my exclusive machine that plays blu-ray, and my xbox is the third party machine (sorry, but most of my friends pick multiplayer on XBL) as well as the console of choice for my kids.

The sesame street, disneyland and those types of games aren't really geared for US gamers (the type who would go to N4G...) but really, they appeal to parents (for the children) and children. I'm happy that my kids will be getting these types of games, I just wish the core audience could get the same experience.

NateCole5501d ago

Zir0. You are pathetic.

MS: ‘We’ll never leave the core behind’. So is that why their E3 conference which is the biggest gaming event was a Kinetic road show?.

If MS cared about their core gamers they will release more exclsuive targeted to their core gamers. Instead MS is only happy about starving you fools with only 4 exclusive franchise in two year rotation and milk as much money from you fools and you guys love it. Pathetic. To add salt to the wounds they pushed kineitic.

More proof you guys consider game sales as exclusive games that is catered to the x360 core gamers. Absolutely pathetic.

silvacrest5501d ago

people buy those games in large numbers because there is nothing else except multiplats

i dont think even xbox fanboys can deny that

"does Sony have a new IP which has sold even half of what Gears has?"

wow, really?

gears 1&2 both topped at around 6 mil

uncharted 1 - around 3.5, uncharted 2 - around 4.5
MGS5 - 5.2, LBP - 4.4 there are more too

you have what? 4 franchises that sell well, i would give that up for what sony offer in a hart beat, as a gamer you play games not sales

ipe5501d ago

lmao what???

gt5 outsold forza( and its 10 bundles) in month. Uncharted 2 surpassed 4.5 million back in middle of 2010. Now its well over 5/5.5 million. THATS GEARS NUMBERS SON. Mgs4 close to 6 million. Bunch of exclusives with sales of 3/4 million.

Yeah no doubt in total ps3 exlusives sell more.

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DARK WITNESS5501d ago

in my opinion they already have..

if it was not for third party games I don't know what I would play on my xbox 90% of the time.

SuperLupe5501d ago

Well thats why they dont bother too much with 1st party exclusives...at the end of the day you have to admit 3rd party has it covered.

But that wouldnt be a major problem if MS on their side kept on delivering core exclusives, which clearly doesnt seem to be the case.

HuGi5501d ago

The game has sold over 50M since Ps1 you gotta be kidding if you are saying Sony doesnt have that...

But Fps and so yes they dont have it... yet.

M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L5501d ago

Yo, Mickey is hardcore son. Whatchu talkin' bout'?

LocO_o5501d ago

Whats wrong with Kindom Hearts?

Let guess your definition of core is games that have blood,guns and faul language.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai62d ago (Edited 62d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio62d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing62d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9262d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit62d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing62d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9262d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay64d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn264d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers64d ago (Edited 64d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn264d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown64d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos64d ago (Edited 64d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay64d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay64d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac63d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger64d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300064d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde64d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood64d ago (Edited 64d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde64d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

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Agent7565d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_63d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.